Chad or someone else...
Walk me through the process of getting something infront of the board to be voted on.
Some people may not fully understand the process. Maybe there needs to be a little tab to the left here that helps people to understand it better.

Actually there are about 23 counties in Distict 1 from MO/OK/NE borders. This would include KC & suburbs & Topeka. What 3 counties are the "exclusive counties" in District 1 is my question. There have been and will continue to be studs from more than just "3 counties" in District 1. Cherokee Co. happens to have a wrestler on the Nebraska roster and this is D I wrestling we're talking about.

And that's the way it should be! If you want to understand the process you start by talking to your club director. Then you ask your club director if it would be alright to attend a district meeting in October with them. Once you do that, you ask your club director if you can attend a state meeting with them. Changes start at the club level with your director/directors. As Beeson said, the changes happen as a result of these meetings, not from things said on this message board.

In it to Win it,

I actually think they were saying that from the Missouri line, go west 3 counties, and straight down from Nebraska to Oklahoma. I don't think n7m13c99 was trying to slight any of the other counties.

yet YOU have 1,745 posts. do you really BELIEVE that the message boards are a useless tool for stating your case?

i think BLT ASKED a pretty straight forward question as to how to go about changing the rules, yet recieve a couple of roundabout, beat around the bush, condescending answers, that barely answered the question.

THANK YOU SPORTSFAN, your answer was very informative and may have enlighted someone who has never had the opportunity to attend a state meeting, or be involved in anything similar. YET i still don't understand why you feel that the forums are NOT the place to discuss anything (1,745 posts, your opinion has been stated) . BLT, HOSSUS,DEAN70 AND OTHERS may feel that this is the best place to enlighted others of their dilema. where's the harm? they may or may not be the only folks in the state, but using this forum can be used to recruit others to join their fight. now if they FAIL to make a formal proposal at the district level (at very least), then complain again, i see a problem. until then, let them speak.

I never said that! It is a wonderful place for discussions but at the same time it is not, nor has it ever been, representative of how even a slight number of people feel. Every week something happens to remind me just how little this board is read by those involved in this sport. Doesn't mean we can't have fun cussing and discussing but in the end the real decisions will be made by those willing to take time out their personal lives to attend the meetings. For all the talk about the weight issue on here, I am told nobody showed up to address the executive council about it. And that is exactly as it should be! First sell your district meeting on any changes and then if successful try to sell it to the state body.


I think I answered in a straight forward manner! Because people don't like mine or others answers they try to circumvent the process to get things changed. I said from the beginning I intend to introduce an amendment to allow wrestlers to wrestle up one age group for qualifiers and state, which should alleviate the weight issue. If it is the intention of some on this board to try to go backwards to unlimited weight groups I would fight that tooth and nail. I as well as others on this board worked long and hard to get the weight classes we currently have in order to keep kids from walking thru state for a medal. I might add, some of those were my own club's kids too who were walking thru. Bottomline was and is, it is what is best for the obese kids, this organization and wrestling as a whole.


Sometimes I get the sense that many of the people who ask these questions do not belong to a club. Do they have their own private clubs? If so, that is sad. Do they not have more experienced leaders or members to explain how the processes work? I know that people like Beeson and myself along with many others have had the good fortune to be mentored by those above us at the club level. People with many years of experience at the district and state levels. I would like to think that we are the general rule and not something of privilege in the way our clubs function.

Lance,

Proposals need to be submitted in writing to Ned Price by July 31st. The Executive Council will then meet in September and discuss the proposal. I would suggest attending this meeting to answer any question the council may have. The council will then vote on wether to take it to the State Body for a vote. If it is taken to the State Body it will need to pass, I believe with a 2/3 majority.

I would suggest using this forum as a tool for getting ideas, and feeling people out.

Hey In it to win it dean 70 was asking where D1 was I was trying to explain it and if you look on the map it is the 3 eastern counties. I could have explained it a little better. guess I knew what i was trying to explain. i keeping forgetting that I tend to confuse people including myself. Wasnt talking bad or slighting anyone Just trying to give some info. If I was to describe D4 it would be from great bend west. Which isn't excately right. But darn it I know what I meanLOL to bad no one else does. LOl

I knew what you were trying to say....is that good or bad?

By the way sportsfan02, Robert could have wrestled up/walked to last year and got a medal. thats not what i am looking for. it is just so hard for these kids to find mat time. every moment counts. then they move on to baseball for spring and football for fall. and next year he has no opprotunity for the final show in march. why? because he is a big kid. obese as you say. His size and growth is different than yours and mine. While you have a bottom weight, 40 lbs @ 10 and under, you have a top weight. at what? do you ever know? right now there are 8 kids in the 170 bracket. thats more than 2 or 3 kids that you talked about last year. I am Charles King with the Wichita Aztecas. so i am not posting secret. and i am not hiding.LOL

oh and another thing sportfan02, the maturity difference between age groups is so not right. so how can you expect a 170 10 and under to rate against a 12 @under 165. WOW. are you crazy, or am I novice here?

I am a member of a club.
I am a board member of a club
I have a coach’s card.
I am a bronze level coach.
My sons have their USA wrestling cards.

So if I want to make a proposal or go to a state body meeting I shouldn’t have to go through my club. Who knows maybe they don't feel the way I do and do not support my views. So I shouldn’t need their permission! If I want to go there on my own behalf then I feel I have paid my dues and I have a right to do that.

FYI...
My own children are not victim to this issue. But some of the kids that I have coached are. I have kids that have quit wrestling because they do not get mat time or cannot go to state. No matter how you paint the picture, something not right and change needs to be discussed.

Also, I know what the process is for sending a something before the state committee. I was basically asking on behalf of other that have not stepped up and asked why or how. I don’t know why they haven’t but I asked more on their behalf then my own.

Wrestling up in age is not the fix it all answer to this issue. I used to think it was a good start but now I think it really resolves nothing at all. There is an answer to this and it’s if there is a large enough group of wrestler at ANY weight then that weight should be recognized by our state body.

We make exceptions at the lower weights...
How many kids last year at state were true 8 under kids????
1st of all it wasn’t a full bracket!
2nd there was AT LEAST 7 kids that were 6U that year! SO LESS THEN HALF WERE TRUE 8U Kids!
3rd the kid that won it was a 6U wrestler!
There were more kids over all and more TRUE 8U wrestlers at heavy weight then at 40.

So couldn’t we argue that we could drop or combined some of the lower weights and make room for a few heavier weight classes.

Also,
I hate to speak for Dean70 but to answer Sportsfans question...
NO! There is no one in their club they can turn to with the experience that they find on this forum. They are a young club with a young group of coaches and board members that joined together to save a club in trouble.

So I say that someone with all your "experience and mentoring" should be able to step up and help people like this.
If you feel people like this are below you or a burden to you then stop posting on their thread. Sometimes you just slow the process down or take away from the actual message of THEIR POST because you want to say stuff and cause arguments.
If you are not going to help us the at least stay out of the way and don’t hinder us!
PLEASE!

I can't help you because I do not believe as you do, that we should create weight groups for every child. We have already been there and done that, and corrected the problems it created, many years ago.

ok sportsfan how about this to make room for them let's move the lower weights so that instead of a 3 pound difference They have to wrestle a 10 to 20 pound difference ever week. So lets do 10 and under lets start at 52 the the next weight can be 62 then 72 82 92 102 112 122 132 142 152 162 172 182 That covers about every kid and makes room for the big boys. So are you willing to go with something like this or cause your kid might have to give up say 10 to 12 pounds you ain't for it???? Becareful how you answer this cause sometimes you ain't real tactful.

Two wrongs don't make a right! We studied the lower weights too and eliminated some as well. If anything, we should have possibly eliminated another lower weight or two in each age group. By the way, I'm also for changing 14U to middle school weights and the new High School division to our regular high school weights. No matter how you guys present the question I will be against kids walking thru state for a medal, simple as that.

Looks like you should of studied harder cause you failed the test.



So then come out and say that you would rather see brackets that are not full and filled with less then HALF of the kids from the correct age group at state.
I don't want to see anyone walk through to a state title either. I seen how hard my son worked for his.
But if there is a large enough group of kids at any certain weight group within allowance then shouldn't they have the opportunity to wrestle.
And do you think that if there is no opportunity for a chance at state then USAW should step up and not even sell them a card. There's an example of two wrongs right there that everyone seems to think is RIGHT.

That IS the whole point right there and what the studies proved, there were NOT enough kids in some weight groups! We're not talking about a full bracket, we are talking about enough kids in a bracket to keep a kid from just showing up and collecting his medal.
Our club has an 8U kid who weighs 150#. He has some baby fat but is not obese by any measure. He stands I would guess about 5'5" and wears a size eight and a half mens shoe. This kid wrestles up in age every year just to have an opportunity to wrestle. Neither he nor his parents whine and complain about having to wrestle older kids, like some on this board, because like I said, he just wants to wrestle. All I as a board member of his club want, is for him to have the opportunity to wrestle up in age at the qualifiers. I do not want nor expect us to create a weight group just for him to walk all the way to state.

I my self would rather see a kid walk all the way to state .Than take the kids cash and not let him go at all.I say treat them like the rest of the kids or dont let them play at all.

Just what difrance is it if they do get a walk to state.

My son dose not fit in this group at all.I just cant see how it is A good way to teach the kids at that age or any age.There is some + and some - for the people that are not normal size. I think it would be better for this to be a good thing in this case than a bad.

FINALLY you answered in a straight forward manner.

IT'S not that they don't like the answers that you give, it's because it takes 4 pages and 10 posts (from you) to get a reason as to WHY you believe the way you do.

you DID NOT say from the beginning that you intend to introduce an amendment to allow wrestlers to wrestle up one age group, you simply stated WRESTLE UP AN AGE GROUP. it wasn't until your second or third post, that you let anyone know you intentions. then it takes two posts like "what is it d2 wants", it's 4 pages of discussions on weight rules, i wonder. "how are my intentions going to affect anyone or anything. i'm not sure what more anyone wants or needs?" AGAIN, who are you the riddler? i feel that the folks who are trying to change this rule have been straight forward, and deserve to be treated the same.

we get 4 pages and 10 posts before you actually share an experience that might help these YOUNGER/ LESS EXPERIENCE parents/ coaches understand the rules as they stand.

i ask you: WHY DON'T YOU JUST SAY WHAT YOU MEAN THE FIRST TIME.

FOR THE RECORD: i agree with you! i hate to see a kid walk to state and get a plaque. i also believe the BEST solution is to bump up an age group. is it the solution that makes everyone happy, NO, but i believe it's the best possible solution there is.

PARENTS/ COACHES i have coached 2 undefeated 8u HWT STATE CHAMPS, 4 8U HWT STATE PLACERS. EVERYONE OF THEM had to wrestle up in age when they were 8 and when they were 10. ALL BUT 1 PLACED WHEN THEY WERE 10U. ALL BUT 2 of those kids stuck with wrestling through high school, all but 2 of them were offered football scholarships (1 attended a high school without wrestling/ 1 is 10u now). EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE KIDS HAS MADE THIS COMMENT TO ME: " i remember when you made me wrestle up in age, i hated you then, now i'm glad you made me do it, it made me stronger, and better, thanks coach!"

i wasn't easy for them then, by doing what i asked, they have learned to handle life. when things aren't always easy. i have told them many times that i am proud of who they are and what they have become, better young men.

teach your kids to set goals and to push themselves, don't let the fear of losing, guide them. make them challenge themselves, make them better. that is what i love about this sport.

I'm sorry you are unable to understand my positions on this subject but I think I have been very clear from the beginning. The weight classes as they stand are just fine IMO. If you or others don't like them and want a kid to wrestle then move them up an age group. Please spare me the lessons on proper posting and how to communicate with others.
I instead think it is the others who you are not understanding. They are wanting to create a weight group for every obese kid. I am against that! What more needs to be said?