i understood your stance just fine, read on in my post I AGREE WITH YOU.

IF OTHER DON'T AGREE THEY ARE FREE TO POST, you have 11 times stated your point, (however failed to give any reason WHY until the last 3) i'll spare you the lessons when you follow the golden rule. don't try to take away someone's right to speak their mind, and i won't critize the manner in which you speak yours.

NOTHING MORE NEEDS TO BE SAID- YOU JUST SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE. if you want to be taken seriously EVERYTIME you oppose someone else's point of view, then be CLEAR from the beginning, as to WHY you oppose. SORRY, that you don't understand that, I AGREE WITH YOU!!! on the weight rules. I DISAGREE WITH YOUR MESSAGE DELIVERY. SORRY I'M NOT THE FIRST AND WON'T BE THE LAST, SORRY YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT!!!

Show me one place where I did that!

Your name and club affiliation!

and what would yours be Aletheia?

YOU'RE SOOOOO MISUNDERSTOOD. don't go to the boards and complain, go to the meetings that's where things get done, your message is loud and clear.

i realize that you have put in the time, and have been to the meetings, and have worked to change/ not change rules that you agree/ disagree with. DID YOU DO IT ALONE? no you had supporters. where did they come from? how did you sell your point of view? surely there was some sort of communication.

CHANGES START AS A SMALL IDEA AND GROW- through communication. if they want the rule changed they should follow protocol as you have stated. BUT who are you, i, or beeson, to dictate what channels they take to spread/ grow their idea? if they use the forums to reach out to others who may have the same concerns, that is their right as americans.

i'm sorry once again for MISUNDERSTANDING your point of view, from the beginning, thank you for sharing.
i'm sorry, too for the fact that as some of us welcome an opposing point of view,yet others cannot accept the fact people have a right to their own opinion, NO MATTER HOW/WHEN THEY SHARE IT.

Have a great day! i know i am.

How bout them Saints?

Thank you for pointing out that I never tried to silence anyone!

The problem i have with you sportsfan is in your post you said you don't want to make a weight group for every obese kid out there. Where do you get that these kids are obese. Some of them are BIG KIDS not obese. We have a 10 and under who stands 5ft 6in and weighs 134 now he was weighing 150 he is not obese. Please don't assume these kids are all obese. some may be but others are not. When your dad is 6ft 5in and weighs 250 and you get his genes you are going to be big not obese. Also answer me this why is it ok for the smaller weights to move up by 3 pounds but the big boys have to move up by 10 or 20 pounds? You realize that if you are in 10 and under and weigh 134 you have to wrestle 150. Because there is not many big boys at this weight you get combined with 170 every week and on paper it looks like you are with in the weigh rules on paper but in reality you are wrestling a kid who weighs 169. So you are giving up 35 pounds. Who in their right mind thinks that doesn't mess with a kids head. Wrestling is not just physical it is mental also and when your kids looks at that big kid he beats himself before he even gets on the mat. Why is this ok? This would be like a 70 pounder wrestling someone that weigh 105 pounds.

Because there are more of them!

So that makes it right?

Yes it does!

So you are one of them!

sportsfan likes to stay on the other side of the fence. no matter what fence.

then he throws little rocks at you and tells you to stay on your side, but his side is better.

when you throw rocks back, he gets upset and tells you not to throw rocks.

then denies ever throwing rocks in the first place.

he really wants to be friends, but he is just misunderstood.

"One of them" being?

The type of person who understands no one else plight because it doesn't affect you. Then when it does affect you, you expect everyone else to stand up for you and understand. Thus being one of them. And to think i actually defend you on here in another post. It should be about the kids not a few but all of them short, tall, big or little.

enough is enough people. what we need to do on here is discuss the ideas for change. whether kids wrestle up an age group or add weight divisions. headup, you made a good point about wrestling up in age. i thought about that all day. and you are right in a way but from my experience(i was forced to do that twice) it was like comparing hamburger to steak if you understand what i am saying. there was such a great level of maturity between the bottom of 10 and under and the top of 12 and under. sportsfan02, i dont know if you just like to aggravate people on here or you just feel strongly about your view, but the obese comments wasn,t fair to these kids. alot of parents know their kids have an obesity issue. my son is obese . that is why we are wrestling. and after 3 years of trying to figure out what is going on with his weight gain issue, we just found out that he has thyroid problems. we have listened to all the advice about the diet. and we still found him gaining 10 to 20 lbs a year. there are other kids i see that are just tall and muscular at this age. what i want from you is your ideas, not critical attitude. for two years all you can say is no kid should get to walk to state. it happens every year whether you like it or not. i asked for my kid to be able to wrestle up last year in the qualifiers. they have to wrestle their own age group. thats what the rule is right now. the other thing you keep saying is that the weghts have been studied to death and no change is needed. please dont reply to my post unless you want to be part of the solution. thank you very much

we're going to hurt feelings if we don't back off.

sportsfan likes aggravating people/ and believes very strongly about some issues, and believes very strongly that there is only one right way, his way.

we ALL just misunderstand.

DEAN70- hamburger to steak, good analogy, but don't be afraid to crave that steak, it should be a driving force.

dean70 i agree with your thoughts on moving up we had a kid wrestle up to 12 and under. He is a young 10 and under 150 wanted to wrestle closer to his own weight. So chose to wrestle up at 140. He is a pretty good wrestler. He got thumped pretty bad. Those boys just had a maturity about them that he didn't have. At Great Bend seen a 8 and under move up to 10 and under it wasn't pretty. So am not sure that is the answer. Can we look at other states and see what their weight classes are. See if someone somewhere else does something different. Not talking just Oklahoma but look further east or west see what they do to get some ideas? Is there a reason we limit ourselves to the weigth classes we have?

Why can't the weight classes change from year to year?

This is just an off the cuff thought, but what if every club sent a spreadsheet into the State around the middle of the year with their wrestlers names, age groups, and weights. They then could determine if there were enough bigger wrestlers to justify adding a weight class. Copy and paste all the info into one spreadsheet, sort it by age and weight, and waaaallllaa! 99% of the weight classes would remain the same, but we might find out that we have some holes in some age groups from time to time.



Just a thought !!

n7m and Pelland, these are both great ideas. The spreadsheet would be a great tool. but who is going to check it out? maybe sportsfan02 has the time? Oh, he/she already has maybe 5 or 10 years ago. good idea, I will get with the kids regtistration director on that. And yes we should look at other states to see what they are doing. That is how we get stronger. See what is working For Iowa and Arizona wrestling. Or find states with more HWTs and see what they are doing. Wrestling Trains for Football. More kids gets football scholarships than Wrestling scholarships. So why not welcome the big kids?