what I am pointing out is I watched a couple of kids doing this and thats all they were doing is basically hitting the other kid in the face with an open hand and not a fist. thats all they were doing and not making any attempt to take the opponent to the mat. that is not wrestling to me. I also watched the coaches in the corner and they said nothing to the kid doing it even though the other coaches pointed it out. i know its rough. thats why i like it. i also like to see it clean. i was as rough as anyone back in my day but what i see from some of these kids today is not wrestling.