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If you build the brackets prior to weigh-in they will change. They will need to be built again. It's just more work. Once the seeding meeting is done the brackets should never change even if a kid doesnt show up or doesn't make weight. If that happens then it is a scratch in the bracket and the person that they were to wrestle gets a bye. That's how it has always been when it comes to Subs. The only case I can see where it may completely change a bracket is if 6 kids in an 8 man bracket and 3 of the kids don't make weight leaving 1 kid with a bye to the finals. In that case the bracket needs rebuilt to be a 3 man round robin. (there would be other cases too but not that many instances)
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Re: sub brackets
[Re: Crash99]
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03/09/10 10:30 PM
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If you build the brackets prior to weigh-in they will change. They will need to be built again. It's just more work. Once the seeding meeting is done the brackets should never change even if a kid doesnt show up or doesn't make weight. If that happens then it is a scratch in the bracket and the person that they were to wrestle gets a bye. That's how it has always been when it comes to Subs. Nope, if a bracket drops to four man or less for any reason then it has to be rebracketed to a round robin per our by-laws. This happens quite often, particularly in the high school age groups. I don't pretend to be an authority on Trackwrestling but from what I understand, to change any one bracket causes the entire tournament to be re-numbered. If that is the case, then you could have people who didn't plan to show up early in the morning because they had weighed in the night before and saw a high first match number. They could miss their first match.
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Re: sub brackets
[Re: Crash99]
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03/09/10 10:30 PM
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If you build the brackets prior to weigh-in they will change. They will need to be built again. It's just more work. Once the seeding meeting is done the brackets should never change even if a kid doesnt show up or doesn't make weight. If that happens then it is a scratch in the bracket and the person that they were to wrestle gets a bye. That's how it has always been when it comes to Subs. The only case I can see where it may completely change a bracket is if 6 kids in an 8 man bracket and 3 of the kids don't make weight leaving 1 kid with a bye to the finals. In that case the bracket needs rebuilt to be a 3 man round robin. (there would be other cases too but not that many instances) If a seeded wrestler scratches the rest of the seeds would need to be bumped up.
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Re: sub brackets
[Re: Beeson]
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03/10/10 01:46 AM
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you are all putting the cart before the horse. trust me it's not anymore work to do it again, on track or by pencil. get over it. i think if we vote to track or not to track, track is going to win.
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Re: sub brackets
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03/10/10 02:17 AM
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Chad, aren't all the wrestlers in a bracket seeded as per the seeding meeting? Doesn't this statement nullify some of the process if a higher seeded wrestler scratches and that automatically bumps a lower seeded kid up to face a teammate, then why do the coaches fight to get their wrestlers separated in the first place? example: Kid A is seeded #2 and Kid B from same team is seeded #8 Seed #6 scratches so the 8 seed is now a 7 and wrestling his teammate first match...
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Re: sub brackets
[Re: Crash99]
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03/10/10 02:26 AM
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If #1 seed doesn't make weight. Then the next two best kids would meet up in the semi's. #1 and #2 should be seperated, even if they used to be #2 and #3.
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Re: sub brackets
[Re: Crash99]
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03/10/10 02:41 AM
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When it comes to this time of year, I don't think it should matter if you have two kids in the bracket from the same club. If seeding is down the correct way and two kids from the same club go head to head in round one, then that is how it is supposed to work.
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Re: sub brackets
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03/10/10 11:28 AM
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i think if we vote to track or not to track, track is going to win. Yes it would, but that doesn't necessarily make it right.
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Re: sub brackets
[Re: sportsfan02]
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03/10/10 12:02 PM
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i think if we vote to track or not to track, track is going to win. Yes it would, but that doesn't necessarily make it right. or wrong, it's a matter of preference i guess.
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Re: sub brackets
[Re: Beeson]
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03/10/10 08:03 PM
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If you build the brackets prior to weigh-in they will change. They will need to be built again. It's just more work. Once the seeding meeting is done the brackets should never change even if a kid doesnt show up or doesn't make weight. If that happens then it is a scratch in the bracket and the person that they were to wrestle gets a bye. That's how it has always been when it comes to Subs. The only case I can see where it may completely change a bracket is if 6 kids in an 8 man bracket and 3 of the kids don't make weight leaving 1 kid with a bye to the finals. In that case the bracket needs rebuilt to be a 3 man round robin. (there would be other cases too but not that many instances) If a seeded wrestler scratches the rest of the seeds would need to be bumped up. Chad, I agree with you but the rules state the we DO NOT reseed if a seeded wrestler scratches. You put in a bye and do not change the bracket unless someone byes to the finals. That means wrestles NO matches to make it to the finals. All brackets need to be posted. The President has spoken and mandated all brackets for all subs be posted in trackwrestling. That is President Nedly, not Obama. 
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Re: sub brackets
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03/10/10 08:07 PM
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I also heard a rumor that a sub was NOT going to update results as they happen? If that is true please speak up and ask for help. It is INSANE to run your tournament that way.
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Re: sub brackets
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03/10/10 10:06 PM
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What happens if kids are signed up for a weight class and they're not within 35 pounds of that weight class on Friday night?
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Re: sub brackets
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03/10/10 10:44 PM
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What happens if kids are signed up for a weight class and they're not within 35 pounds of that weight class on Friday night? don't even leave the house.
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Re: sub brackets
[Re: Beeson]
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03/11/10 12:55 AM
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If you build the brackets prior to weigh-in they will change. They will need to be built again. It's just more work. Once the seeding meeting is done the brackets should never change even if a kid doesnt show up or doesn't make weight. If that happens then it is a scratch in the bracket and the person that they were to wrestle gets a bye. That's how it has always been when it comes to Subs. The only case I can see where it may completely change a bracket is if 6 kids in an 8 man bracket and 3 of the kids don't make weight leaving 1 kid with a bye to the finals. In that case the bracket needs rebuilt to be a 3 man round robin. (there would be other cases too but not that many instances) If a seeded wrestler scratches the rest of the seeds would need to be bumped up. I truly feel that is what needs to be done, but you guys are correct. The Bracket stays the same. Something that needs to be addressed at the next State Body Meeting.
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Re: sub brackets
[Re: crump88]
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03/11/10 01:10 AM
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What happens if kids are signed up for a weight class and they're not within 35 pounds of that weight class on Friday night? If you are wrestling 285 and do not weigh in at least at 250 you will not be able to wrestle. Rule 4-4-2.
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Re: sub brackets
[Re: crump88]
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03/11/10 01:34 AM
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What happens if kids are signed up for a weight class and they're not within 35 pounds of that weight class on Friday night? There is a Taco Tico in Pittsburg. Run down there and order some Taco Burgers. Wash them down with water or Gatorade. No carbonated beverages, the bubbles fill you up but don't add weight. Challenge Doug Eck to a taco eating contest. After you weigh, leave the area quickly before throwing up so they won't make you reweigh!
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Re: sub brackets
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03/11/10 02:13 AM
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We'll weigh you before we have the Sh*tting for Distance contest.
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Re: sub brackets
[Re: doug747]
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03/11/10 02:18 AM
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it's taco station!!! they have special sauce for guys like you will. it's called the @$$h*!e sauce. lol. skip rhonda's spaghetti dinner, i'll bring you some tacos friday night.
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