might as well add this. now on my 2nd son wrestling. just turned 5 in sept. nice birthday lol. wrestled here and there. finished up placing 4 out of 6 tournaments. 2 opens he didnt place. placed 6th at the derby novice championships. ended the season 15-9 and learned how to put the legs in without ever working on that with him. i asked him where he got that from and he said big brother showed him. he just knows how to stick them in but doesnt know how to do moves with them. he has me very excited for his future. he is a stocky little red head that never stops smiling. you will recognize him the next few weeks watching big brother.