Coach Church,

Very well said. I just would have left out the 'chance' part. God has and uses loaded dice.

Pro 16:
33 The lot is cast into the lap,
but its every decision is from the LORD.

John 6:
44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

He does not passively wait around for us to choose Him. That was decided before the foundation of the world. The word 'predestination' is in the Bible. What does it mean? See Eph 1 and 2. Read Romans 8 and 9.

I know, wrong forum. If you want to PM me about this, that would be fine.

And finally, for Coach Church (notice the older men drop their stones first - they have lived longer and are generally wiser than the younger folks who think they are without/above sin):

John 8:
3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"

11"No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."