ok thanks doug. at least you are honest. so in one sentence what was the proposal for 6 and under. i have read this post and still dont understand what people were debating. ottawa? no ottawa? 6 and under at topeka? no 6 and under at topeka state series? well topeka is just toooo crowded for all ages at once. period so I would have left the 64 man/32 man bracket in ottawa. to add 6 and under to state series, we would of had to make it a 4 day event or split the whole state series into 2 wkends. leave the qualifying tournaments alone. it would only add 1 extra wk of wrestling to the year for everyone. just my observation. please, nobody beat on me here.LOL