I definitely agree with you on this Beeson. Wrestlers get on top and stick the arm in deep enough that the entire hand is past the belly button of their opponent. Unless the rules have changed, I am thinking that is a caution on the top wrestler. By the way, I have never heard you cry. It is kind of unsettling. Anyway, off to the Newton Tournament of Champions. I guess we will see some of your Ark City brethren down there.