Fact is 5a and 6a should be combined for a state tourny.
This is a totally antiquated idea and my opinion is that anyone that still promotes this is either ignorant or in denial or both.
If you just look at the rankings, results, etc. you will see that this is really kind of a r tarded statement.
Fact is 5a and 6a should be combined for a state tourny. If the small schools have a 16 man bracket to get to state then the large schools should too. This would of prevented Ark City from winning 13 in a row. Cuz its a lot easier to be the best if you are only competing against Half the competition. And dont throw in that top ten crap because you only have half the teams in 5a.
Ok, this is not only a totally r tarded statement, it is sacrilege. How dare you some nobody desecrate the time honored name and tradition of Ark City Wrestling. Those teams just flat out had the baddest dudes around and Wayne Jackson was/is the man. And they didn't win 13 in a row Mr. Smarty Pants, they won 11, sorry, no disrespect to the great Ark City heritage for bringing that to light.
Lets Break this down even further so you cant even respond. 8 man 5a 6a bracket to get to state. Lets say a kid goes out and gets stuck in a bad call his first match. 8 man bracket no big deal win your next two matches you going to state. He would of had only 3 matches to get to state.
Now lets look at it in the harder 4a 3a class that has a 16 man bracket. Same thing lets say a kid gets stuck first match. He now has to win 4 in a row to go to state. 5 more matches just to place third. He would of wrestled 5 times to go to state.
Ok, not sure what the H your point is here. Is this supposed to prove something. It's quality that counts, not quantity. I would much rather go through 4 not so good kids that I could definitely beat to get to state than just two studs that I might not. Not saying that is the case always but sometimes it is.
COMBINE 5a and 6a So these Big school guys are on a even playing field. Its so simple 64 schools in 4a 64 schools in 3a why does 5a and 6a wrestling only have 32 schools apiece.
Level playing field? Are you nuts? Its pretty dang level right now. If anything, 3/2/1A wrestlers have a distinct advantage. One must only look at Chief's rankings to see this and refer to Badbo's comment.
If you are talking about qualifying you may be right, but if you are talking about winning or placing very high...You combine 5a and 6a and you have approx. 60% of the All-Class ranked kids in one class. Simple math then tells you that leaves only 40% of the top kids to be spread over 4a and 3/2/1a.
I would be fine with only 2 or 3 state tournaments, but only if you reclass ALL the schools. Not just group 5a and 6a.
Bottom line their will be some 5a and 6a kids that will get to state that are not as good as some 4a kids, but when it comes to placing those kids are gone.
Finally a voice of reason.
Why does this stupid concept of combining 5A and 6A have to come up every year? Every year it comes up and every year I or someone like Badbo points out the obvious and it is if all the out of touch 4A and 3/2/1A proponents can't get it. Talk about "simple". How could something so simple be so difficult for some people to grasp. I will tell you how, they are in denial. If we discuss this now, will we not have to discuss it after state like usual every year? Probably not. It will come up then too and I will be ready.
If you combine 5A and 6A as many want, you would have 6 of the top ten teams in the state in this new 5/6A. 4A would have 3 of the top ten teams in the state and 3/2/1A would have 1, Norton, and that is it. Along with that would be those 60% wrestlers Badbo spoke of with 10% in 3A and 30% in 4A. Now how would that be fair? How would that be a level playing field?
I would be fine with combining 5A and 6A but only if you combined 4A and 3/2/1A. The only other fair thing to do would be to have one Class. Is that what you and others would want? I wouldn't want that but it would certainly produce that "level" playing field you are looking for and would certainly be better than combining 6A and 5A and leaving 4A and 3/2/1A as is.
Now as for the toughest regional, Ark City definitely has the toughest 5A but not necessarily the toughest overall. I remember when I coached at Goddard and when they were in 5A, one year the top five teams at the Ark City regional, Ark City, Goddard, Kapaun, Carroll and Valley Center finished top 5 at state. That's a beast regional. There were kids good enough to place at state and they couldn't even get there. The Wichita Campus 6A regional has 5 of the top ten teams in the state in Goddard, Garden City, Hutch, Maize and Dodge City. In the past, this regional also has had kids good enough to place at state but they couldn't even get there either. I am sure there is at least one 4A regional that could make similar valid boasts.
Oh, and sorry to perpetuate the "hijacking" of this thread but this is where the crap was brought up and I didn't feel like I should have to put it on the Ark City Old Timer thread just to cease with the "hijacking". However if this discussion continues I will just start a new subject that will really just be this subject but on a different thread.
Now good day to all and best wishes to all wrestlers preparing for regionals.
