Originally Posted By: Lucas Baker
Last year in 5a there was a kid in state with a 0-5 record. you could not even fill a 8 man roster at regs. please show me a losing record in 3a or 4a cuz im going to show you 10.


please tell me who makes these rankings until there is a grand sate
there is no way of knowing who the best is.

last year you idiots made a list and left off a kid from 3a that was never beaten by another kansas kid in high school. Your grand state rankings are bS.


Wow, did I just read what I think I just read. I am not sure. Its like I just got transported to another dimension where the Laws of Physics and Nature as we know them do not apply.

I really should not even respond because if "you" as in Lucas didn't get that, you probably won't get anything else. It's as if you didn't even read anything I wrote. It's as if you just knew it was contrary to your concept of combining 5A and 6A so it must be "crazy", how typical. But don't feel bad Lucas because you are obviously not alone.

I knew it would come up though, it always does, the infamous "losing record" thing. I explained that last year after state as well and will probably have to do it again this year because its obvious that there are people in denial about that, or they are just ignorant of the facts or they just want to continue to stir.

The losing records thing is a seperate issue and is the product of the totally unfair regional alignments that the association sets up. The KSHSAA wants all areas of the state represented (particulary their neck of the woods, Topeka/KC area) so they don't balance the regionals and kids always go to state that shouldn't and some don't go that should. Anyway, the regional imbalance is particularly prevalent in 5A and 6A because an overwhelming majority of the good teams and good kids are in the greater Wichita and surrounding area. There are always therefore 2 really strong regionals and 2 really weak regionals in 6A. The same can be said for 5A although the 2 "weaker" regionals are not quite as weak as in 6A. In 6A it is a huge problem because the two "weak" regionals are made up of 4 very large school districts with multiple high schools that just aren't really that good at wrestling. I mean no disrespect to them, it just is what it is. But if the "best" teams were spread over the 4 regionals, you would not have those losing records. You have them in football and other sports as well. They are "regionals" though aren't they.

Take this year. The 6A Regionals are Wichita Campus (5 of the top 10 teams in the state), Wichita East (4 of the top 10), Olathe NW (1 of the top 10) and Blue Valley West (0). So in 6A, you have 2 regionals with 9 of the top 10 teams and 2 regionals with 1 of the top 10. Can you not see the problem right there. Along with this team imbalance is an individual imbalance and that is what produces the losing records. There will not only be kids with losing records, there will be regional champions that won't even place, refer back to Badbo comments. That's the problem that should be addressed, regional alignment, not reclassification. There will be good kids that could place at state in any class and they won't even get there. My son goes to the Wichita regional that usually has the "5 out of top 10". Two years ago, all 8 kids in his bracket had 20 plus wins and none had losing records and that was at 103. That means 4 kids, just at one weight, with 20 plus wins didn't even get to go to state and some kid with a losing record from one of the weak regionals did. One kid in my son's bracket ranked 5th in the state didn't even get to go to state because the other 4 ranked kids were there too. Last year at 119 same scenario, and one kid that had already beaten a kid that placed had to watch from the stands at state while the kid he beat medaled. Go try to explain to those kids and their parents that the kid is a dang good wresler, good enough to place at state but doesn't get to go, but that 5A and 6A should still be combined. They will think you are nuts. The same could be said for 5A, but they are "Regionals" aren't they.

As for the rankings Lucas, they are not "Grand State" Rankings, they are "Big Chief's" Rankings. I know it has already been stated more than once how the rankings are developed. They are not just some haphazard, totally random, guesstimation as you make it to be. They are very accurate predictions based on evidence and fact derived from body of work results. They are very accurate, you just need to get over that. If you do not think they are valid enough, make your own. I would love to see what you come up with. I would bet that if you put much time and thought into it at all, they will be very similar. I am not sure why you refer to the rankings as BS from "you idiots". We were talking about reclassification and you took it to the rankings are bunk, BS from "you idiots". It sounds like something that a little kid would say when he doesn't know of anything intelligent to say in his defense. I hate to ever be derogatory because it is not my nature Lucas but you have been very disrespectful with your comments. It sounds like you need a hug Lucas. Maybe Beeson would give you a hug instead of an ass whipping if you ask nicely.

But best wishes either way to you Lucas and a good day to all.

Last edited by XGHSWC; 02/09/11 07:04 PM.