who is your reading teacher bud? I did not give a percentage because Arkcity only has 8 schools. The fact of the matter is that Concordia has 96 kids with winning records 57 kids with losing records. Ark city ONLY has 56 winning records to 48 losing records.
Which makes the Ratio of winning records to losing records 1.68 for Concordia compared to Ark City at 1.16

Ok wait I did the math and Now I need to know who is your math teacher? If you use the formula you used to get your 53% for ark city. Which is 56 winning records plus 48 losing records gives you a total of 104. Now my small town educated brain tells me to divide 56 by 104 to come up with your correct 53% to make you look better we will round to 54%

Ok now this is where you went wrong!

Concordia Regional has 96 wrestlers with winning records 57 wrestlers with losing records, if you were to add 96 plus 57 you get 153. Now same small town math puts Concordia at 63% of the kids have winning records????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
My math teacher taught me to double check my work. That is when you get done you do it again to make sure you did not screw up, so you dont look like a fool in a public place some day!!!!!!

If you went to the Ark City public schools I do not need to know who your teachers were other wise I will need some names.

Beeson I tell you what, you want to settle this, buy me a plane ticket I will come back home and handle you lil man. Im sure you could sell some tickets to get your money back. We could put the video on a pay per view site and charge $2 Id bet at least 200 people will watch it.

lucas hang on and follow again. at the concordia regional there are 13 weight classes right? 16 man brackets right? multiply 13x16=208 possible wrestlers. take the ark city regional, same 13 weights, 8 man brackets. 13x8=104. still with me. you list records for only 153 wrestlers at concordia, 208 possible minus 153 actual (208-153=55). 55 equals the number of byes in the concordia regional, compare to 0 byes for ark city. still there? we are back to my original numbers, you have to account for the vacancies or wrestlers with no record. you can not leave out this information. follow? now continue your research young pupil. you have mentioned time and again that 5a should combine with 6a. fine take the campus regional and combine it with the ark city regional and add those numbers up. then come back and see me. look i'm not trying to make you look silly, but you just can not leave out useful information like 55 empty spots in the regional. those empty spots must be reflected in your report. i'll give you a c-.

Im not listing to a guy that does not even know the correct number of weight classes. ONCE AGAIN WHO IS YOUR MATH TEACHER?

Lucas:

And your grammar teacher was?

This type of thread is what makes this "forum" start sounding silly. What does all of this percentages, etc mean? Nothing really.

Richard "mr does not play well" I have a question last night as i was using your post for my research I could not help but notice that you filled every spot even had a kid that was 0-0. I cant wait to see how many of these kids show up. I think you were padding you listing but time will tell. As for my grammar teacher it is google spell check. And she did not tell me to check it twice. But I will be checking your padded stats. I cannot believe a 5a Regional has a full line up of 112 you know because you take the 14 weights x the 8 schools and you get 112 not 104 like headups big city math worked out.

I think Headup is counting on the fact that 103 really isnt a real weight class. Quote from a smart guy I know "If your 18 years old and only weigh 103lbs you better go see a doctor".

I agree with you.
But 103 is the most talented weight Ark City Regional has. the have a total of 8 kids 6 with winning records they have the 1st,4th,3rd,6th. Also at 125 they have 6 kids with winning records
1st,2nd,3rd,5th
Concordia has 4 weights with 5 kids with winning records
Concordia has 3 weights with 6 kids with winning records
Concordia has 4 weights with 7 kids with winning records
Concordia has 2 weights with 9 kids with winning records
Concordia has 1 weight with 12 kids with winning records

Ark city has 2 weights with 2 kids with winning records
Ark City has 3 weights with 3 kids with winning records
Ark City has 4 weights with 4 kids with winning records
Ark City has 3 weights with 5 kids with winning records
Ark City has 2 weights with 6 kids with winning records

Now lets talk Competition you guys say 5a wrestles better folks please show me where and when? Ima go ahead and say out of the 8 kids that will be going home at the Concordia 160 4 to 6 of them could place in 5a. There are 9 kids with single digit losses and out of these 12 kids with winning records only 2 of them are ranked that is a stacked weight you will never experience this in 5a

103 isn't a real weight class. Really. Why don't you take a note of the top names in here and see if they don't continue to be ranked and place throughout their careers. Do you think Zac Gentzler is not already a top D1 prospect. Your statement would be insulting if it were not so ignorant.

lucas you a right, i hastily threw out the numbers and made a mistake (at least i can admit when i am wrong). however the percentages don't change (much) neither does my point. the correct numbers would be 50% winning records at Ark City, and 42.8% at Concordia. now add in a 6a regional or another 5a regional and the numbers could quickly fall further out of your favor. my whole point is that NO class has is better or worse. occasionally regionals are lopsided, but it all works out at state.

I dont live in 5a fairy tale land like you boys do. I do not have to make up stats to prove that Beeson is WRONG! about his teams regional. I am using real people real records. The number of real wrestlers wrestling in Concordia this weekend is 153 of those 153 REAL WRESTLERS 96 of them have winning records. Thats a winning % of 63%

In ark city this weekend there will be 104 wrestlers, 56 of those 104 have winning records. thats barley 50%

You had to add 71 fake wrestlers to the stats to get your 34% Im not comparing byes in a 16 man bracket to a 8 man bracket.

Quality not quantity right? ok please explain this for me.
PLEASE tell Me where your Quality is at 112 you have 4 winning records the other guys combine for a record of 10-43

119 you have 4 wrestlers with winning records and 3 with a losing record totaling 11-35

130 you have 3 wrestlers with winning records and 4 with losing records totaling 31-59

160 you have 2 wrestlers with a winning record and 5 with losing records totaling 23-47

189 you have three wrestlers with a winning record and 4 with losing totaling 19-49

215 you have two wrestlers with a winning record and 5 with a losing record of 26-59

285 you have 3 wrestlers with a winning record and 4 with losing records totaling 15-50

Im not arguing that regionals need to be reassigned I am trying to make you people see the writing on the wall. 5a 6a needs to be combined. So that the new 5a 6a regionals will have better competition and you guys can have 7-12 kids with winning records per weight instead of 2-5. I can see why it is so hard for the big guys to want to change they have an easy path to state. 4a you have to work your butt off and beat alot of good kids. 5a you win two matches against some scrubs and your going to state.

One quick example: Pittsburg's 112lb. wreslter all year long was Parker Fields. He was ranked in state all year long (as high as 3rd at one point)

Parker was beat out the week before regionals. (so he basically didn't qualify for regionals due to quality!)

How many 1,2,3,or 4a schools have that much depth? It happens all the time at the bigger schools. In order to make varsity at a 5a or 6a school a wrestler may have to beat 3 or 4 people in their own practice room.

Beeson, were there any good wrestlers on JV when you wrestled at Ark City?

Lucas, what about your team?

For more wisdom pertaining to this debate please refer to my sig line!

what stats did i make up???

how in the heck do you figure that i made up 71 fake wrestlers? those are byes, bye never puts up a fight, let alone a win. thus making your "hard" track a little easier than you act.

comparing brackets is exactly what you have done, over and over and over.

i could care less whether beeson is right or you are wrong,if you're both full of hot air. i just simply showed how you leaving out a certain fact like, 71 byes skews the data. further more i could care less if the two of you beat the snot out of each other, frankly i'm tired of the whole thing.

Fred Olenburger wrestled JV his Sr. year...because of an injury Fred got to wrestle the Derby Tournament and won. The next weekend he was on JV behind a 2X State Champion.

Eddie McGlasson wrestled behind 2x and 3x State Champions for three years at Ark City. Chris Hernandez wrestled up so Eddie could make the team. Eddie made it to the finals that year. Hernandez won his 2nd State Championship.

I believe Scotty Goodale had a losing record his Freshman year. He weighed 100 lbs. and wrestled 112 because 4x State Champion Justin Ware was at 103.

Brooks Travis same scenario the next year. Wrestling behind 3x State Champion and DII National Champion Scotty Goodale. Brooks went on to be a 2x State Champion and Wrestled for the University of Missouri.

I only made the team my freshman year because number 2 seeded wrestler in the state Jace Brew pulled down to 119. I had a losing record my freshman year, 3x State Champ after that.

These are just a few that I can recall...there were several others. So to answer your question BigPin22, depth was a problem.

a good problem to have. i can recall bigpin being 3 deep at a weight with 2state placers and a state qualifier. another kid on that team, bumped from 112 to 125 to grab a varsity spot, he placed 6th at 125 the next year and only weighed 115 pounds.

I am from THE 98 and 99 Abilene State Championship teams. In 99 We sent 9 and 10 placed no Champions won by 26 points. We had at least 4 JV kids go undefeated I do not have my stat book in Denver, But I can remember the JV coming back from the Onega Varsity Tournament they said they were not invited back I guess we had a kid in almost all of the finals and it was our JV. Of the ten of us that went to state 5 went on to wrestle in College Dustin Tovar and I believe Chris Alt all american in college

That is not exaclty what i was looking for. Competition in the wrestling room is not the same as having 8 kids in your regional bracket and 5 of them have losing records of 23-47. Where is the competition if you were all better than everyone else you would not have brackets where the kids total combined record is 90-92 5a Ark City 189

Wow you sent 9 and placed 10? Math much? Awesome.........and nobody cares. But please, keep spouting off...I enjoy the show.