Nigel:

Again I am not suggesting to eliminate an entire age group. I am just suggesting that it might be better for both groups to have a separate grade school tournament and a separate post season JV/high school tournament. I would just like to see you be open to that possibility. Maybe it would be best for both groups and we would still be able to accomodate all the kids.

You state:

"I'm sure you have both read the high school forum where people have suggested that Kansas wrestling is taking a back seat to other states. While this is certainly not true as indicated by the success of Kansas wrestlers at High School nationals, we as a state only get better with the inclusion of all of age groups we now have"

Yes, I have read that and I actually saw what the Mo side kids did to the East Ks Kids two years ago. They were beating us on our feet badly. Your theory is that those Kansas seniors would have been better if they had been involved in the post season Kansas Kids State wrestling championships as high schoolers. First of all I think that some of the Kansas wrestlers did do the Kids State during their high school careers. Secondly I think many such as the KWCA people and Randy Hindletter would disagree and say that the Kansas Kids would have been more competitive with the Missouri Kids with more freestyle time instead of more folkstyle wrestling in the Kansas Kids State wrestling tournament.

I do like your suggestion about the Washburn Campus for District 1's tournament as a location. I don't know if that has ever been looked into, but maybe the fact that they do State the following week in Topeka would make it difficult for finding volunteers to run both. I think that might be a pretty good facility though. Does anyone know if it has ever been considered?

Nigel, I should have introduced myself at the District 1 tournament. Someone pointed you out to me when you were busy working a match as referee. Maybe we will meet sometime. Don't hesitate to meet me. I don't mind that we disagree on things. I hope you don't. I have had some good conversations with Mr. Tischhauser before. I doubt he remembers me since he meets so many people.