The TRUTH is that the board said they could not wrestle in the tournament. An OPINION is that the parents think that the decision is unfair. The TRUTH is the Parents hired an attorny. The TRUTH is this is costing money. My OPINION is I'm PISSED, that could be the TRUTH also.

The odds are that we won't be after the next state body meeting. I'm predicting a constitutional admendment will pass in a landslide!

It's dated 3/3/2011. Just very sloppy handwriting....

richard, if they were denied in january 2008, how were the able to enter the state tournament in march of 2009.

sorry guys to keep this going just trying to figure this out for myself. everyone keeps saying they entered 2 years in a row but with this letter that would seem wrong.

but it aint i went back and looked and they were entered into districts in 2009. so how did they make it in after being denied

The letter which you reference was sent for the 2007-2008 wrestling season. The State Championship Series was held in March of 2008.

The Hugoton Club petitioned for the out of state wrestlers for the 2008-2009 season - hence their entries into the tournament held in March of 2009.

In your zeal to catch Richard in a mistake you look silly as you failed to do the math!

see richard has a sense of humor too, no one in their right mind would think that richard made a mistake. .

Nix, they were denied in January of 2008 and did not wrestle the 2008 State Series. They petitioned again in 2009 and got a favorable decision from the board and again in 2010. In 2010, while their petition was approved, it was a very close vote. In January of 2011 their petition was denied.

The makeup of the board is susceptible to change each year when we hold elections at our Fall meetings and the decision it hands down can vary accordingly. Board decisions are also susceptible to who shows up to the meetings. While attendance is usually high, the decisions the board makes can be influenced by one or two absences...especially in a close vote. Also, as Richard has explained in a previous post, District 4 is allowed 5 votes where all the other districts get only 4 each. In a close vote, this can makes a difference. My only reason for describing this in such detail is to give you an understanding as to how the board could vote one way in 2009, but then have a change of heart in 2010 and 2011.

I will go out on a limb and say that the adults that made the petition should have understood the process, because they had been through it before. Nothing the board did was sneaky or underhanded. The process may not be perfect, but until we change it….ALL of us should live with it.

lmao, ok i am done, i have pretty much been wrong on everything.

richard i will never question you again lol.

i think i will enroll myself in jeffrey's 2nd grade class to start the reading process all over and learn the dates and years a liitle better.

man i cannot believe i did not catch that date i feel like an idiot.

i am done posting on this subject before i mess up my great name, lol.

but i would like to read on how this restraining order is going any info up to date yet. good luck to you all and thanks for pointing out i need to go back to school.

Richard wrong, NEVER!!! But, rude, beyond what is needed, very much, especially today.

And, Mark, the real issue is some parent found out their kid would not make state or not place because of this and complained. Didn't one board member from D1, kind of say he thought it was a good idea at first. Make the way easier, that is what society is about today. If your kid can't beat them, remove them.

The real issue here, at this late moment is 'what is best for the small number of kids involved'. That is a real easy decision. Are people here willing to admit what that is, or is this a saying that we use when convenient, but never really intend to practice. You know once accepted, I would imagine, most involved thought it would continue. Thus, the donating of the mats. They did show good faith. Are we??

The moral high ground is tough, Richard, I am sure you can reclaim it.

Let them wrestle this year and vote at state meeting in fall so they know ahead of time............

John, if you want to know how this District 1 rep voted I will tell you. I am not ashamed of any of my votes. In 2008 I voted NO with the majority opinion, in 2009 I voted NO against the majority opinion, and in 2010 I let the argument that "you can't pull the rug out from under them” sway my vote and voted yes with the slim majority. I did say that would be the only time I would vote to allow them in the tourney. This year I voted NO and my vote is still NO.

I also voted for the amendment that would take this power out of the Board’s hands at the Fall Board meeting and spoke in favor of the amendment at the Fall State body meeting. It is not very often that elected officer’s vote to limit their authority. The Board voted to send this amendment to the body with a favorable recommendation. I guess enough of us on the Board were frustrated with debating this issue every year....and after eight pages of posts I am now really tired of it. I only hope the state body agree with me at next year’s meeting and vote to end the nonsense.

...and John, there was never a parent complaint that swayed any of my NO votes. I would tell you if that played a factor and would not be ashamed either way.

...one more thing. Along with Richard, I have been wrong numerous time; too many to count. But, I am not wrong on this.

Mark, I just think it was too late in the year to make this decision. And, Richard has been wrong???

Each and every time I have been able to vote on this issue I have voted NO to their request to be allowed. I think it is ridiculous that a resident from another state would even have a desire to say they were a state champion in a state that they don't attend school in. Here are the facts:

Oklahoma's series is in February and only takes up two weekends.

The Hugoton Club was aware that these kids stood almost no chance of being allowed to compete in the Kansas series this year. The District 4 contingent of board members saw the Executive Board vote, nearly unanimously, to terminate this issue permanently.

The Guymon, OK group could have entered the Oklahoma series to safeguard participation in the likely event that they were not allowed to compete as Kansans.

Nearly 20 Kansas Kids will not be wrestling because of errors committed by their parents or club representatives this year. I would be much more inclined to fight for their participation that assist in a cause that could lead to a Kansas Kid not making it to state because they were beaten by an out of stater.

There are plenty of tournaments to wrestle in during the three weeks of the Kansas Kids series. If they want to wrestle they have choices.

On many, many occasions, just not on this issue. I also did not vote for kcaraB amabO.

are they going to be able to wrestle subs this weekend?

We are going before the judge today to find out.

6-5 pickem

also are the kids good enough that they will place in state? have they placed before? if not then why go through all this mess just to be able to wrestle for an extra weekend, maybe 2