Originally Posted By: RichardDSalyer
Originally Posted By: Rford

To be clear, the referee has NO business coaching ("told the wrestlers up front that they were required to make every effort to stay in bounds,...,") the wrestlers. If the wrestler pushes the other out of bounds, ding him, if the wrestler is stalling, ding him. The referee should be conscious of all the rules, and call all consistently.

Based on what I have read regarding your previous statements in this thread on stalling and this last statement you have competency issues and I question if your are qualified to officiate at any level.



I'm pretty sure you aren't the only one holding that opinion of my competency or my abilities. I'm working hard to be JV Official of the Year. But this thread is about stalling and I hope not so much about me....but since I only told both the kids what the rule was...."you are required to stay in bounds or it is stalling" I think I'm fine on that point under the rules. This was before the whistle blew, so I don't see that as coaching the wrestlers. It would be coaching if I told one wrestler to do something...such as "Red, you need to improve" or "Green, work in bounds." That's direction to one wrestler and is not allowed (but happens often). Telling them both to do something is usually considered preventative officiating and is encouraged. And in this situation, it worked great to prevent stalling. So I'm a little confused by your interpretion of the rule.

While I'm sure I have lots of problems, the problem raised in this thread ("calling all officials"), and the reason for the discussion, is that stalling seems to be a concern. So I hoped to generate some thoughtul discussion and put out there a technique that worked well.

In my earlier post on stalling I said it was just my opinion....I know the stalling rules. Heck, I know most of the rules because they gave me a book with my patch. The problem is, as this thread demonstrates, calling stalling is not consistent. I was attempting to explain why I thought that was the case.

You can criticize my opinion and my technique, but unless I kicked your cat or gave you a wedgie at some point in the past, I don't know why you'd think this was a post that warranted a personal attack for expressing my views. Well, actually, I do, because I read the posts here often and a lot of those posts are attacks of a personal naturerather than a discussion of the topic. But you sign your name, so I guess that's within the rules. I make general comments from time to time about folks, in general, (coaches usually, sometimes parents) but try to avoid calling individuals names because while it is a forum, the participants are a pretty small group and calling each other names isn't really polite and doesn't move the conversation in a positive direction.

Oh, by the way, getting back to the rules....pushing a wrestler out of bounds is probably not stalling, so if you meant it was and I did "ding" him for stalling, that would be suspect (but often made) call. It is usually "avoiding wrestling" and considered a technical violation and a point, not a stalling warning. But it doesn't get called much either and when it does most officials take the easy out and call stalling....another example of part of the problem with the whole area of keeping the action moving.

So, to sum this up. I came to this wrestling forum and read how stalling was a big problem. So I then used a technique of telling both wrestlers to stay in bounds because it was stalling to go out. They did what I told them to do and they did not stall. The matches moved along, which is what we fans, coaches, and officials, want to happen. But a man I've never met calls me "incompetent." I need to look up the meaning of that word....doesn't sound like it means "well read and thoughtful."

Bob Ford
Official

Last edited by Rford; 02/07/12 01:08 PM.