we all have to remember that this is 6 and under wrestling. i think the refs give the kids on bottom a fighting chance to get out. yes i have seen it where i thought a kid even my own kid pinned but i think at that age what does either kid learn with a 10 second pin. i would rather see them wrestle out 3 periods at that age. it was the 6 under state but not a highschool state. they cant learn everything in practice. the only way to get what you want out of a ref is to become one yourself. i do get upset and question calls but at the end of the day you couldnt pay me enough to be a ref. i did it for 2 years and stopped doing it cause of the coaches and parents. i was acutally asked to ref on saturday but had too many kids to coach so chose not to. really didnt want to do it even for the money.