Well I hope you are not counting VC in that because they have always been 5A, even when people smack talked 5A. They were in 4A one year. When STA won state they were in 5A. AC was briefly right after Andover split but Andover was always in 5A. The only one I consider from 4A is SJA. I get what you are trying to imply doug747 but you are digging big time there. 5A has always been tough, at least for the last 20 years it has been, maybe even longer. We just now have an "All-Class Ranking" to magnify it.