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Re: Bobcat Classic [Re: Westfahl] #211499 01/13/13 04:07 AM
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One thing I thought was pretty amazing, well two really. Topeka Seaman wrestled well from the start of the tourney to the end. Not surprised that they did, I just had not seen them this year and was real impressed with how they wrestled. The second thing I was amazed about was that Collinsville, Oklahoma had three state champions out including the nationally ranked, Davion Jeffries and they still managed to score 154 points and only be twenty points out of first. They have unreal depth of talent on that team. It was a great two days out there and the wrestling was as physical as I have seen any high school tourney in a long long time. There are going to be some pretty sore guys running around in some of these high schools next week. A whole raft of state champions did not win that tourney.

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106 Results
Guaranteed Places
1st Place - Stephen Tujague of St. James Academy
2nd Place - Josiah Seaton of Bonner Springs
3rd Place - Matthew Schmitt of Platte County
4th Place - Blake Gordon of Piper
5th Place - Jaelynn Gay of Topeka Seaman
6th Place - Michael Aldrich of Shawnee Mission East
7th Place - Levi Kester of Pittsburg
8th Place - Benny Deaton of Olathe South
1st Place Match
Stephen Tujague (St. James Academy) 24-5, Fr. over Josiah Seaton (Bonner Springs) 18-2, Jr. (Dec 5-2).
3rd Place Match
Matthew Schmitt (Platte County) 26-7, Fr. over Blake Gordon (Piper) 16-8, Sr. (Maj 18-6).
5th Place Match
Jaelynn Gay (Topeka Seaman) 17-10, So. over Michael Aldrich (Shawnee Mission East) 10-9, Fr. (OT 6-4).
7th Place Match
Levi Kester (Pittsburg) 13-9, Jr. over Benny Deaton (Olathe South) 14-12, Jr. (Pin 3:25).

113 Results
Guaranteed Places
1st Place - PJ Cheney of Turner
2nd Place - Justus Seaton of Bonner Springs
3rd Place - Jeremiah Jones of Pittsburg
4th Place - Tyler Hensley of St. James Academy
5th Place - Khamin Crow of Topeka Seaman
6th Place - Cole Peckham of Glenwood
7th Place - Timmy Romero of Mountain Range
8th Place - Matthew Barmann of Platte County
1st Place Match
PJ Cheney (Turner) 14-3, Jr. over Justus Seaton (Bonner Springs) 19-3, Sr. (Dec 2-1).
3rd Place Match
Jeremiah Jones (Pittsburg) 19-4, Sr. over Tyler Hensley (St. James Academy) 19-11, Fr. (Pin 1:32).
5th Place Match
Khamin Crow (Topeka Seaman) 16-5, So. over Cole Peckham (Glenwood) 18-7, . (I-D 0:00).
7th Place Match
Timmy Romero (Mountain Range) 22-8, So. over Matthew Barmann (Platte County) 18-14, Jr. (Dec 5-4).

120 Results
Guaranteed Places
1st Place - Tyler Mies of Andale
2nd Place - Dakota Leach of Goddard
3rd Place - Jacob Findley of Collinsville
4th Place - Jake Elbrader of St. Thomas Aquinas
5th Place - Clayton Himpel of Tonganoxie
6th Place - Reese Cokeley of St. James Academy
7th Place - Ethan Karsten of Platte County
8th Place - Tyler Sharp of Fort Scott
1st Place Match
Tyler Mies (Andale) 17-2, Jr. over Dakota Leach (Goddard) 17-2, Sr. (Dec 8-5).
3rd Place Match
Jacob Findley (Collinsville) 21-10, Jr. over Jake Elbrader (St. Thomas Aquinas) 13-4, . (Dec 7-5).
5th Place Match
Clayton Himpel (Tonganoxie) 26-2, Jr. over Reese Cokeley (St. James Academy) 20-11, Jr. (Dec 1-0).
7th Place Match
Ethan Karsten (Platte County) 26-7, Fr. over Tyler Sharp (Fort Scott) 26-5, Sr. (I-D 0:00).

126 Results
Guaranteed Places
1st Place - Noah Teaney of Oak Park
2nd Place - Zak Hensley of St. James Academy
3rd Place - Ryan Heiden of Collinsville
4th Place - Blake Stovall of Olathe North
5th Place - Willy Diekmann of ACCHS
6th Place - Jake Bazan of Junction City
7th Place - Luke Henes of St. Thomas Aquinas
8th Place - Jacob Gentry of Rossville
1st Place Match
Noah Teaney (Oak Park) 25-2, Jr. over Zak Hensley (St. James Academy) 12-5, So. (Dec 1-0).
3rd Place Match
Ryan Heiden (Collinsville) 24-5, Jr. over Blake Stovall (Olathe North) 16-5, Fr. (Maj 13-2).
5th Place Match
Willy Diekmann (ACCHS) 15-4, So. over Jake Bazan (Junction City) 17-6, So. (Maj 9-0).
7th Place Match
Luke Henes (St. Thomas Aquinas) 20-5, Jr. over Jacob Gentry (Rossville) 17-8, Jr. (Pin 2:59).

132 Results
Guaranteed Places
1st Place - Tyler Dickman of St. Thomas Aquinas
2nd Place - Tucker Clark of Baldwin
3rd Place - Will Steltzlen of Collinsville
4th Place - Andy Dennison of Santa Fe Trail
5th Place - Brandon Fuller of Topeka Seaman
6th Place - Nick Haug of Olathe North
7th Place - Caleb Crabtree of Platte County
8th Place - Jacob Smith of Turner
1st Place Match
Tyler Dickman (St. Thomas Aquinas) 8-0, Jr. over Tucker Clark (Baldwin) 20-6, Jr. (Maj 13-1).
3rd Place Match
Will Steltzlen (Collinsville) 25-3, Jr. over Andy Dennison (Santa Fe Trail) 21-3, Sr. (Maj 16-7).
5th Place Match
Brandon Fuller (Topeka Seaman) 19-7, Sr. over Nick Haug (Olathe North) 7-5, So. (I-D 0:00).
7th Place Match
Caleb Crabtree (Platte County) 20-11, So. over Jacob Smith (Turner) 14-11, Fr. (Pin 2:54).

138 Results
Guaranteed Places
1st Place - Daniel Lewis of Blue Springs
2nd Place - Bryce Shoemaker of Baldwin
3rd Place - Isaac Dulgarian of St. Thomas Aquinas
4th Place - Gary Wayne Harding of Collinsville
5th Place - Victor Hughes of Fort Scott
6th Place - Andrew Tujague of St. James Academy
7th Place - Craig Egging of Mountain Range
8th Place - Daemeion Gay of Topeka Seaman
1st Place Match
Daniel Lewis (Blue Springs) 27-0, . over Bryce Shoemaker (Baldwin) 22-2, Sr. (Dec 4-0).
3rd Place Match
Isaac Dulgarian (St. Thomas Aquinas) 25-2, So. over Gary Wayne Harding (Collinsville) 25-3, Jr. (Dec 10-3).
5th Place Match
Victor Hughes (Fort Scott) 24-5, Sr. over Andrew Tujague (St. James Academy) 23-10, Jr. (Dec 3-0).
7th Place Match
Craig Egging (Mountain Range) 20-7, Sr. over Daemeion Gay (Topeka Seaman) 13-12, So. (Dec 8-2).

145 Results
Guaranteed Places
1st Place - Darick Lapaglia of Blue Springs
2nd Place - Tagen Lambotte of Rossville
3rd Place - Andrew Millsap of Junction City
4th Place - Jacob Durossette of Fort Scott
5th Place - Christian Frame of Goddard
6th Place - Ryan Haymaker of Collinsville
7th Place - William Holland of Prairie View
8th Place - Grady Ware of Clay Center
1st Place Match
Darick Lapaglia (Blue Springs) 26-1, . over Tagen Lambotte (Rossville) 17-1, Jr. (Pin 0:51).
3rd Place Match
Andrew Millsap (Junction City) 23-2, Jr. over Jacob Durossette (Fort Scott) 10-2, Jr. (Dec 2-1).
5th Place Match
Christian Frame (Goddard) 19-9, Jr. over Ryan Haymaker (Collinsville) 20-10, So. (Dec 7-0).
7th Place Match
William Holland (Prairie View) 23-6, So. over Grady Ware (Clay Center) 22-8, Jr. (Dec 4-0).

152 Results
Guaranteed Places
1st Place - Cain Salas of Blue Springs
2nd Place - Randy Boerner of Mountain Range
3rd Place - Jonathan Blackwell of Bonner Springs
4th Place - Jeryl Denton of Junction City
5th Place - Tanner Ogden of Royal Valley
6th Place - Matt Pratt of St. James Academy
7th Place - Asher Huseman of Tonganoxie
8th Place - Zack Hoskins of St. Thomas Aquinas
1st Place Match
Cain Salas (Blue Springs) 17-0, . over Randy Boerner (Mountain Range) 30-1, Sr. (Pin 4:43).
3rd Place Match
Jonathan Blackwell (Bonner Springs) 22-1, Sr. over Jeryl Denton (Junction City) 22-2, . (Maj 14-4).
5th Place Match
Tanner Ogden (Royal Valley) 26-3, Sr. over Matt Pratt (St. James Academy) 19-12, So. (Dec 4-2).
7th Place Match
Asher Huseman (Tonganoxie) 25-4, So. over Zack Hoskins (St. Thomas Aquinas) 24-4, Jr. (Dec 6-3).

160 Results
Guaranteed Places
1st Place - Aaron Puckett of Bonner Springs
2nd Place - Kyle Armstrong of Andale
3rd Place - Johnny Perz of St. Thomas Aquinas
4th Place - Jake Barton of Collinsville
5th Place - Joel Geers of Mountain Range
6th Place - Taylor Schuetz of ACCHS
7th Place - Jason Von Bargen of Baldwin
8th Place - Isaac Luellen of Rossville
1st Place Match
Aaron Puckett (Bonner Springs) 23-0, Sr. over Kyle Armstrong (Andale) 21-2, Sr. (Dec 3-1).
3rd Place Match
Johnny Perz (St. Thomas Aquinas) 24-3, Sr. over Jake Barton (Collinsville) 21-8, Sr. (Pin 3:40).
5th Place Match
Joel Geers (Mountain Range) 25-7, Sr. over Taylor Schuetz (ACCHS) 18-4, Sr. (Dec 3-1).
7th Place Match
This match has not been wrestled yet.

170 Results
Guaranteed Places
1st Place - Bryant Guillen of Topeka Seaman
2nd Place - Zach Abkemeier of Collinsville
3rd Place - Trent Salsbury of St. James Academy
4th Place - Christian Matthews of Royal Valley
5th Place - Jace McDown of Columbus
6th Place - Micah Felton of Junction City
7th Place - Thaius Boyd of Eudora
8th Place - Mark Harman of Baldwin
1st Place Match
Bryant Guillen (Topeka Seaman) 22-0, Sr. over Zach Abkemeier (Collinsville) 17-6, Sr. (Maj 8-0).
3rd Place Match
Trent Salsbury (St. James Academy) 23-10, Jr. over Christian Matthews (Royal Valley) 24-5, Sr. (Dec 7-4).
5th Place Match
Jace McDown (Columbus) 20-9, Fr. over Micah Felton (Junction City) 20-6, Jr. (Dec 5-2).
7th Place Match
This match has not been wrestled yet.

182 Results
Guaranteed Places
1st Place - Michael Pixley of Blue Springs
2nd Place - Levi Eck of Andale
3rd Place - Jake Bradley of Prairie View
4th Place - Spencer Wilson of Topeka Seaman
5th Place - Caleb Ward of Lansing
6th Place - Tristen Matthews of Royal Valley
7th Place - Andy Muehlberger of St. James Academy
8th Place - Jon Reuter of Shawnee Mission East
1st Place Match
Michael Pixley (Blue Springs) 23-0, . over Levi Eck (Andale) 21-2, Sr. (Pin 0:43).
3rd Place Match
Jake Bradley (Prairie View) 23-2, Sr. over Spencer Wilson (Topeka Seaman) 5-2, Sr. (Dec 7-6).
5th Place Match
Caleb Ward (Lansing) 19-7, So. over Tristen Matthews (Royal Valley) 19-7, Sr. (Pin 3:14).
7th Place Match
This match has not been wrestled yet.

195 Results
Guaranteed Places
1st Place - Julius Coat of Tonganoxie
2nd Place - Bailey Kelly of Topeka Seaman
3rd Place - Keenan Priddy of Collinsville
4th Place - James Denton of Junction City
5th Place - Gavin Houser of Columbus
6th Place - John Metcalf of Fort Scott
7th Place - Jamie Foutz of Blue Springs
8th Place - Jadon McGaha of Olathe North
1st Place Match
Julius Coat (Tonganoxie) 23-4, Sr. over Bailey Kelly (Topeka Seaman) 15-7, Fr. (Dec 10-8).
3rd Place Match
Keenan Priddy (Collinsville) 19-5, Jr. over James Denton (Junction City) 17-5, Sr. (Dec 8-3).
5th Place Match
Gavin Houser (Columbus) 17-8, Sr. over John Metcalf (Fort Scott) 24-4, Sr. (Dec 5-4).
7th Place Match
Jamie Foutz (Blue Springs) 16-12, . over Jadon McGaha (Olathe North) 4-12, So. (Dec 3-1).

220 Results
Guaranteed Places
1st Place - Ben Ewing of St. Thomas Aquinas
2nd Place - Austin Reyes of Blue Springs
3rd Place - Gershom Avalos of Pittsburg
4th Place - Thomas Miller of Tonganoxie
5th Place - Nate Stanley of Topeka Seaman
6th Place - Lody Black of Clay Center
7th Place - David Feist of St. James Academy
8th Place - Bradley VanHoose of Columbus
1st Place Match
Ben Ewing (St. Thomas Aquinas) 19-1, So. over Austin Reyes (Blue Springs) 16-5, Sr. (Dec 3-2).
3rd Place Match
Gershom Avalos (Pittsburg) 18-5, Sr. over Thomas Miller (Tonganoxie) 24-6, Sr. (Pin 4:35).
5th Place Match
Nate Stanley (Topeka Seaman) 17-5, Sr. over Lody Black (Clay Center) 15-13, . (Dec 7-2).
7th Place Match
David Feist (St. James Academy) 12-7, Jr. over Bradley VanHoose (Columbus) 11-10, Jr. (Dec 2-1).

285 Results
Guaranteed Places
1st Place - Jorge Rodriguez of Mountain Range
2nd Place - Alex Killpack of Glenwood
3rd Place - Aaron Ralfalko of Junction City
4th Place - Joe Pomatto of Paola
5th Place - Dylan Hall of Topeka Seaman
6th Place - Mitch Adams of Platte County
7th Place - Dakota Cohu of Olathe North
8th Place - Jason Zook of Chapman
1st Place Match
Jorge Rodriguez (Mountain Range) 29-1, Jr. over Alex Killpack (Glenwood) 23-5, Sr. (Pin 1:48).
3rd Place Match
Aaron Ralfalko (Junction City) 15-3, Sr. over Joe Pomatto (Paola) 20-3, Sr. (Dec 5-2).
5th Place Match
Dylan Hall (Topeka Seaman) 15-4, Sr. over Mitch Adams (Platte County) 19-7, Sr. (Pin 1:41).
7th Place Match
This match has not been wrestled yet.

Re: Bobcat Classic [Re: smokeycabin] #211509 01/13/13 01:31 PM
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Great tourney, as always, good job BLHS and tourney management

Re: Bobcat Classic [Re: rccokeley] #211510 01/13/13 02:12 PM
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Re: Bobcat Classic [Re: Westfahl] #211512 01/13/13 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: Westfahl
Well, what happened to Levi Eck was Mike Pixley. That kid is tougher than nails. Those Blue Springs kids were on a mission to get maximum points and it didn't matter who was in their way. Pixley is a rough hombre though and he can do that to anyone on a given day.


I heard that Pixley was applying a Kolat, a headlock that restricts blood flow through the carotid artery, and the official failed to get in position to notice that Levi was losing consciousness. If so, the match should have been stopped for PD or the interpretation can be that the move was restricting air or blood flow which is illegal. IMO when a wrestler is disabled to the point of losing consciousness it could be an automatic disqualification by today's standards. A wrestler is NOT allowed to continue if he loses consciousness which would mean that an illegal move was involved. This official made this same mistake last year at this tournament. One of the SJA wrestlers went completely limp and the official never got down on a knee to peer in to see that the arm was tight across the neck. This isn't MMA. I believe in tough, aggressive wrestling but this was over the top. This should have been a great match.


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Originally Posted By: Cokeley
I heard that Pixley was applying a Kolat, a headlock that restricts blood flow through the carotid artery, and the official failed to get in position to notice that Levi was losing consciousness. If so, the match should have been stopped for PD or the interpretation can be that the move was restricting air or blood flow which is illegal. IMO when a wrestler is disabled to the point of losing consciousness it could be an automatic disqualification by today's standards. A wrestler is NOT allowed to continue if he loses consciousness which would mean that an illegal move was involved. This official made this same mistake last year at this tournament. One of the SJA wrestlers went completely limp and the official never got down on a knee to peer in to see that the arm was tight across the neck. This isn't MMA. I believe in tough, aggressive wrestling but this was over the top. This should have been a great match.
Perhaps it was Kolat who taught the move to the infamous Simmons brothers and their "deadly sleeper" choke hold. I was in attendance at the NCAA Tournament in Kansas City when Simmons was penalized 1 point for the "sleeper" hold which cost him the match.

"The unseeded Clendenin beat the nation’s 5th-ranked wrestler, Nick Simmons of Michigan State, who is considered one of the most dominant lightweight men while on top. The first two periods were scoreless with Terrance unable to score from his feet. But while looking to ride out for a 1-0 win on time advantage, the Spartan made a mistake by locking hands while Clendenin tried frantically to escape. Tied 1-1 in overtime, once again neither scored, but Simmons was penalized for an illegal choke hold while attempting to ride out in the tie-breaker—giving Clendenin a 2-1 victory."

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Re: Bobcat Classic [Re: Cokeley] #211521 01/13/13 04:51 PM
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Well, what happened to Levi Eck was Mike Pixley. That kid is tougher than nails. Those Blue Springs kids were on a mission to get maximum points and it didn't matter who was in their way. Pixley is a rough hombre though and he can do that to anyone on a given day.


I heard that Pixley was applying a Kolat, a headlock that restricts blood flow through the carotid artery, and the official failed to get in position to notice that Levi was losing consee that the arm was tight across the neck. This isn't MMA. I believe in tough, aggressive wrestling but this was over the top. This should have been a great match.


Mr cokely as a student of both mma and wrestling I can assure you the move was legal. I have myself been in Michaels headlock series, if you lay there sure its going to hurt. His headlock creates pressure to the neck more than a choke kids panic and natural reaction is to give up. If you watch the match Pixley has an arm therefore giving room for the opponent to breath. Also the neck is not turned in an illegal manner. Again its very tight and uncomfortable.

"Currs quit, game dogs keep fighting"

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That is one thing I have noticed, watching Levi since he was 7 or 8 years old, when the going gets tough and its uncomfortable he does tend to give up.....(yeah right)

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Let me rephrase that. I doubt it was too uncomfortable for him. Chances are the lights were going out, legal or illegal.

Re: Bobcat Classic [Re: Cokeley] #211526 01/13/13 05:34 PM
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Well, what happened to Levi Eck was Mike Pixley. That kid is tougher than nails. Those Blue Springs kids were on a mission to get maximum points and it didn't matter who was in their way. Pixley is a rough hombre though and he can do that to anyone on a given day.


I heard that Pixley was applying a Kolat, a headlock that restricts blood flow through the carotid artery, and the official failed to get in position to notice that Levi was losing consciousness. If so, the match should have been stopped for PD or the interpretation can be that the move was restricting air or blood flow which is illegal. IMO when a wrestler is disabled to the point of losing consciousness it could be an automatic disqualification by today's standards. A wrestler is NOT allowed to continue if he loses consciousness which would mean that an illegal move was involved. This official made this same mistake last year at this tournament. One of the SJA wrestlers went completely limp and the official never got down on a knee to peer in to see that the arm was tight across the neck. This isn't MMA. I believe in tough, aggressive wrestling but this was over the top. This should have been a great match.


Cokeley and others who think it's an illegal move.

First: Pixley has been doing that move all year all over the country and has never been called out on it as an illegal move. The point of the move is to get the opponent on their back and in a uncomfortable position, just like the durlacher. I saw a wrestler this weekend try to tap out when put in a durlacher.

Second: Mike Hagerty is a respected HS coach and DI referee. I don't think he would put his reputation on the line by allowing his wrestlers to perform illegal moves. I don't think any of us is more qualified then him to decide if it's illegal or not.

I can see a ref calling a PD because it looks uncomfortable then they might want to err on the side being caution but no way is it illegal.

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I'm not going to speak to the legality of the move here. What I am going to speak to is Jax's assertion that Levi quit. I have the video, and the pressure being applied to the coratid artery/throat area caused Levi to be OUT. If you are saying otherwise you are either blind, or a complete idiot.

Levi would have been wise to not get in that position, but live and learn. The head inside single attack that got him the first takedown, would have been a wiser strategy to stick with.

I believe pressure to the same area in the 152 finals match caused the Colorado kid to nearly lose consciousness, but applied from a different position. Behind the kid instead of in front.

I have seen plenty of kids go out from tight head and arm, neck whip/wrenches, etc. I don't believe most of those instances were caused by purposeful application of pressure to the carotid artery area.

I believe that putting kids in positions that cause them to CHOOSE to go to their back, or give up a takedown, or give up the reversal is a part of this great, brutal, sport. Those that know me will vouch for that. However, NEVER in our practice room has anyone, even as a "hey look at this" type of situation, talked about technique that causes our opponent to lose consciousness. We prefer to defeat, or be defeated, while we and our opponent are both fully conscious.

I'm not going to badmouth any officials either. Should they be on the mat, looking into that area to make sure that type of pressure isn't being applied? Probably. But he shouldn't have to.

Watching the video several time, I counted to 7 or 8 when the pressure started, and it was pretty obvious what was happening a count or two before Levi went mostly limp, then to his back. Sorry, but a front quarter doesn't work anymore on a good kid, so with a hand in a choice place, aka Kolat, the baddest toughest meanest dude in the world is going out and going over. Last week, I saw a takedown that took the kid to his back, that was brought back to neutral, no points awarded, because the kid hollered, or something, to catch the 2nd ref's eye, and he stepped in and froze the action. The kid had been accidentally poked in the eye. They went back on their feet. The problem with this technique is that you can't signal to anyone that you are going out. You don't even know it until it happens. My opinion is that it should have been obvious to the ref that a defenseless wrestler was going to his back, and it should have been stopped.

Again, I like to see wrestling matches between two conscious kids....




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Again, I'm not talking legal or illegal, but there is a difference between uncomfortable and unconscious.

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Originally Posted By: Westfahl
Well, what happened to Levi Eck was Mike Pixley. That kid is tougher than nails. Those Blue Springs kids were on a mission to get maximum points and it didn't matter who was in their way. Pixley is a rough hombre though and he can do that to anyone on a given day.


I heard that Pixley was applying a Kolat, a headlock that restricts blood flow through the carotid artery, and the official failed to get in position to notice that Levi was losing consciousness. If so, the match should have been stopped for PD or the interpretation can be that the move was restricting air or blood flow which is illegal. IMO when a wrestler is disabled to the point of losing consciousness it could be an automatic disqualification by today's standards. A wrestler is NOT allowed to continue if he loses consciousness which would mean that an illegal move was involved. This official made this same mistake last year at this tournament. One of the SJA wrestlers went completely limp and the official never got down on a knee to peer in to see that the arm was tight across the neck. This isn't MMA. I believe in tough, aggressive wrestling but this was over the top. This should have been a great match.


Cokeley and others who think it's an illegal move.

First: Pixley has been doing that move all year all over the country and has never been called out on it as an illegal move. The point of the move is to get the opponent on their back and in a uncomfortable position, just like the durlacher. I saw a wrestler this weekend try to tap out when put in a durlacher.

Second: Mike Hagerty is a respected HS coach and DI referee. I don't think he would put his reputation on the line by allowing his wrestlers to perform illegal moves. I don't think any of us is more qualified then him to decide if it's illegal or not.

I can see a ref calling a PD because it looks uncomfortable then they might want to err on the side being caution but no way is it illegal.


At Midlands this year in the 157lbs semi final Isaac Jordan, who hits a Kolat in almost every match, had the move locked up on Jason Welch and the ref got down to see if the arm was across the throat. When he realized it was the ref PD'd the position a and told Jordan to stay off the throat or he will be penalized. So yes actually it can be called for an illegal move.

Another example, a Kansas ref at the KC Stampede PD'd the same move being hit by the Park Hill 170 pounder because he was on the throat.

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Originally Posted By: rccokeley
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Originally Posted By: Cokeley
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Well, what happened to Levi Eck was Mike Pixley. That kid is tougher than nails. Those Blue Springs kids were on a mission to get maximum points and it didn't matter who was in their way. Pixley is a rough hombre though and he can do that to anyone on a given day.


I heard that Pixley was applying a Kolat, a headlock that restricts blood flow through the carotid artery, and the official failed to get in position to notice that Levi was losing consciousness. If so, the match should have been stopped for PD or the interpretation can be that the move was restricting air or blood flow which is illegal. IMO when a wrestler is disabled to the point of losing consciousness it could be an automatic disqualification by today's standards. A wrestler is NOT allowed to continue if he loses consciousness which would mean that an illegal move was involved. This official made this same mistake last year at this tournament. One of the SJA wrestlers went completely limp and the official never got down on a knee to peer in to see that the arm was tight across the neck. This isn't MMA. I believe in tough, aggressive wrestling but this was over the top. This should have been a great match.


Cokeley and others who think it's an illegal move.

First: Pixley has been doing that move all year all over the country and has never been called out on it as an illegal move. The point of the move is to get the opponent on their back and in a uncomfortable position, just like the durlacher. I saw a wrestler this weekend try to tap out when put in a durlacher.

Second: Mike Hagerty is a respected HS coach and DI referee. I don't think he would put his reputation on the line by allowing his wrestlers to perform illegal moves. I don't think any of us is more qualified then him to decide if it's illegal or not.

I can see a ref calling a PD because it looks uncomfortable then they might want to err on the side being caution but no way is it illegal.


At Midlands this year in the 157lbs semi final Isaac Jordan, who hits a Kolat in almost every match, had the move locked up on Jason Welch and the ref got down to see if the arm was across the throat. When he realized it was the ref PD'd the position a and told Jordan to stay off the throat or he will be penalized. So yes actually it can be called for an illegal move.

Another example, a Kansas ref at the KC Stampede PD'd the same move being hit by the Park Hill 170 pounder because he was on the throat.


You're correct Cokely, our 170# has adopted that move as well and he has had much success with it. All I'm saying is a PD maybe warranted but illegal call or disqualifiaction wouldn't be the right call.

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I agree it should't be called for an illegal move. IMO if you do get caught in it then you are relaxing way to much from bottom or a front headlock, I have learned that the hard way. As far as the DQ goes, I believe my dad was saying that if the wrestler goes unconscious then maybe they should be removed from the match, much like getting knocked out after hitting your head to hard. A lot of times now a days the trainer won't let a wrestler continue after getting knocked out.

Good luck to KeShawn the rest of this year. I enjoy following him and the rest of the Park Hill team.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67jWeMd8fQw

Last year's Bobcat...

Tell me what you see and would call.


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I guess you would rather see kids shoulders ripped out of their sockets. Learn to defend.

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Originally Posted By: Cokeley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67jWeMd8fQw

Last year's Bobcat...

Tell me what you see and would call.


I agree that was uncalled for, however Pixley did not apply that move. Hays witnessed first-hand Coleman went out last year with the move in the video.

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I take that back i watched the video again, that kid
went out with a simple head lock. laugh

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Originally Posted By: Jax
I guess you would rather see kids shoulders ripped out of their sockets. Learn to defend.


It is simple, place your thumb, wristbone or fingers across the carotid artery and in seconds your opponent will be out. The move may look legal but the restriction of oxygen to the brain is illegal, simple. If you render your opponent unconscious there should be a penalty for it.

To say, "Learn to defend" in HS wrestling in this case is a little crazy.


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