9 novice tournament wins, 2 open wins, and 1 second place in open in less than 2 years is not novice. But That’s what one of our kids wrestled at the novice in hays. I mean the kid has a tournament win and a second place already this year in open. But the parents still entered him in Hays and travelled quite the distance to wrestle in it. They listed him as above average. I mean that’s a legit ranking if he was entered in open but when you are entering a novice that’s not a legit ranking when you have that much success. I think we still need novice to grow the sport but we still need to prevent parents of kids like this to stop entering them in novice. If it means they travel and a tournament director is made aware of it then they can make the decision to let them wrestle or not.