Fanatic I think you make a good point there and i'm pretty sure I know exactly what ref and what situation yo uare talking about. Mr. Church I htink you have your ideas all wrong. I can say with a lot of certainty that MOST refs would not purposely try to screw a kid out of a match. Why? Becuase its pretty obvious when you do it. However the ones that do probably do so becuase the coach of the particular kid is down his throat on every single call. I know I blow calls sometimes, but I strive every time im out on the mat to get a little bit better. Since I've only been a ref for two years they are still times when I'll see something I've never seen before and I'll either call it or I'll miss it. However like Fanatic said if you've been doing it a long that shoulnd't exempt you from continuing to study your rules and case books. Speaking of which I was a little dismayed at one tournament before it even started I was bored so I took out my rules book and I was reading it just to confirm some situations that I had seen. And a coach walks over and was like "Oh boy that can't be a good sign" Now he said it in a joking way. But still if the sight of an official reading a rules book is a cause for concern then perhaps Coaches dont really want them to do their jobs.