i don't see where you guys are saying that turner is a dirty team. it has been said more than a couple of times on this forum. can anybody name a time recently that a turner kid has been dirty. if you don't then please shut up, because they are just rough and agressive team. and if they check your oil, so what. i sure as hell don't want them doing it to me, it should be more motavation to get out of that positon. only one person has ever done it to me, and believe me i never knew i could move that fast. personally, i would never do that move, but if you feel the need to, it's alright i guess, if you use it.