I'm not much in favor of adding challenge matches but would surely live if they were added, however to suggest eliminating 3/4th place matches would definetly make me determined to keep them out. There are just as many times that a wrestler gets beat out the front and then beats the same kid for 3rd as there are times when possibly the two best wrestlers meet before the championship match. Lets say your son loses in overtime or by 1 point out the front, that kid then loses to the eventual champion. Since your son has lost to him in a match that could go either way, he doesnt have a chance to wrestle for a placing, and this kid gets to turn right around and challenge for 2nd. Doesnt seem fair or logical to me at all. If you want challenge matches, then live with the extra time/matches but dont limit who gets to wrestle out the back and be rewarded with a placing. Alot of kids work their tales off just to place 4th and that keeps them going. Take 3rd and 4th place away - then I would guess we could delete the post about how to get more kids involved in our sport if we are only going to cater to the elite.