Manhattan may have beaten Turner, but they never reigned supreme over Carroll and you cannot say they would have beaten them in a dual. The bottom line is that Carroll beat Manhattan. But since A beat B and B beat C and C beat A, I will have to push that one. We know one thing for sure and that is that Carroll beat Manhattan at Newton like the last 4 years in a row and also Clay Center the 4A champ and last year Turner beat Aquinas the 6A champ at the Bobcat but had to settle for 2nd to Carroll in 5A. The main point is that the days of 5A being the weak little brother are long gone so get over it.