I usually stay out of these arguements and do not know why I am getting involved now. The issue on the wrestlers whose coach did not submit the info should not be held against the rater. Without knowing what weight the wrestler is coming back at or whether he is coming back at all would make ranking an individual without confirmation just as invalid. The example I will use is Rossville's Matt Heslet. By your method, he would be ranked in the top 2 or 3, but he decided not to wrestle this year. Maybe leaving that wrestler off will get his coach and perhaps others to submit the info and he and other deserving wrestlers from his team will get proper recognition. I do not see what the big deal about the rankings are so early anyway. They are just a starting point. As wrestlers prove themselves on the mats in duals and tournaments, they will be ranked.

you dont think royal valley will place top 10 at abilene

Mr. Sayler,
I enjoy your comments and obviously you go to great depths before posting any of your comments. Many other people should follow in your footsteps. I was hoping you could clarify the Regional pairings for me. On an earlier post you made the comment about the KSHSAA made an error on the placement of Deerfield so that in turn put Oakley at the Norton Regional, which is understandable. However, I see that Elkhart is assigned to the Hoisington Regional, when in fact (I think) Elkhart dropped their wrestling program. If this is correct it appears to me that Deerfield should have just been added to the Hoisington Regional, Elkhart should have been dropped, and Oakley should have remained there. If this is the case, it appears to me that the KSHSAA did not take the time to do the correct assigning of the teams. Any other thoughts on this?

Tim,

Perhaps I can be of assistance in this matter--if Mr. Slayer has further information he can share it as well.

It is true, according to my sources, that Elkhart is not wrestling this year. However, the KSHSAA makes its tournament assignments (in all sports) on the basis of the participation cards submitted by the schools themselves. No doubt Elkhart submitted a card stating that they were going to wrestle this year and desired a regional assignments. I have also heard that Elkhart was somewhat slow in notifiying the schools with which they were to have competed that they were not going to be able to honor their commitment. Perhaps they did not notify the KSHSAA? The KSHSAA's knowledge of Elkhart's participation (or any other school) is based only on what they are told by their member schools.

This matter brings up two other issues for thought and discussion: (1) are you (we) for sure that Elkhart does not have a coop agreement with another school down there? I know they would have missed the deadline for filing for such an agreement, but the KSHSAA has granted waivers in these situations before. If so, they would be assigned to the same regional as that of their host school (if both schools are in the same classfication grouping -- same situation as with Deerfield and Lakin). (2) While the number of schools may be equal it is a sure bet that the number of wrestlers in each tournament will not be.

Looking at the teams assigned, I am willing to bet that the Norton Regional will have AT LEAST 33% more actual wrestlers than will the Hoisington regional. Again, this is information that the KSHSAA does not have, and I am not sure that they should. Trying to balance tournaments based on the number of individual participants could/would be a nightmare!

Good luck in the upcoming Norton Invite.

Boss Man,
Appreciate your input and, no, I am not sure that they are not in a coop agreement with another town, as that is still apossibility. We don't go to the Norton Invite but I do appreciate your wishes of luck as we will need it at Regionals

In regards to the Deerfield--Oakley switch, how can they say they forgot Deerfield when they are technically with Lakin. I would guess when you look at their brackets they only have one person at each weight. Therefore, it did not change the brackets any, but Oakley moving to the Norton regionals will. I just don't think this seems right.

Elkhart doesn't have a program this year at all. Thier coach has cancer and no wrestlers decided to go out.

NWKansasmom,

When two schools are coop in a "quasi-team" sport wuch as wrestling, the athletes must represent their own school in the post season; hence, they wrestler all year as one team, but are two teams (schools) for regionals. That is the rule. It works OK if both schools are in the same class, but several years ago there was a boy from Dighton who wrestled with Scott City. He was on the SC team all year, but when regionals came he wrestled for Dighton in the 321A regional while his teammates (and coaches) went to the 4A regional. He qualified for state 3 maybe 4 years and he went to Hays while Scott City went to Wichita. That is just the way it is.

YA know all this talk about sending the "good"
3-2-1A teams all over the state is pretty dumb.
Simply posting your little remarks about it is not going to get you anywhere. You are not KSHSAA and last I knew they were the ones that made up the regionals.

But, IF you want to send NW teams to Hesston, power to ya. I Wouldn't mind wrestling them and neither would anyone on my team. In fact I would be happy to wrestle them as only the best 16 wrestlers in each respective weight class should be allowed to attend state tournaments. But whos to say who the best is untill the morning of regional tournaments. An entire team may be wiped out by staff or ringworm. ya never know.
But as i said earlier Send Them if you want.
Its kind of like the Darwin theory "only the strong survive" and thats the way it should be.

Eureka Hwt,

The true meaning of "only the strong survive" will be on display at the Norton Regional.

Historically, the NW regional tournament with 1/4 of the wrestlers at State has accoounted for right at 60% of the medals (you can look it up).

i agree with EurekaHwt i am at this regional and i know how weak it is. i also know that i would make it to state if i went to any other regional in 321a. the quality of all the regionals varies at different weights throughout the state. I know that Norton is obviously the toughest and i wish i could be there but there are certain weights at other regionals that are tough also. i know mine is not one of these but they are still there.

Boss

You are obviosly obsesed with the Norton Regional. I don't know you nor do I wish to. But is it possible that you or your kid is in the Norton Regional and you are just scared of not making it to the big show.

What I ment by "only the strong survive" is that I think it would be nice to send those "great teams" around the state to different regionals and see just how well they fare.

Eureka Hwt--

Whoa! Why the hostility? I only reiterated what you also said -- the Norton Regional is the most difficult of the 321A regionals. I also presented some numbers to support that fact. Sorry if you find the truth in those numbers to be somehow threatening or aaggressive towards you; I assure you that they were not.

I assure you that my wrestling days and those of my sons (who were better than average high school wrestlers) are well behind me.

I too wish that the NW regional was "broken up" and that more deserving wrestlers from that corner of the state got the opportunity to wrestle at State; the way it is now there will be as many deserving wrestlers left at home from the Norton Regional as there will be undeserving ones that will qualify from the other three--and you know exactly what I mean.

I sincerely hope you qualify for State and I will look forward to watching you wrestle at Hays--with your user name you should be easy to identify!

Good luck and stay healthy.

To:

EurekaHWT

I wish to quote you from a previous post; I believe it was addressed to the Boss:

“You are obviosly obsesed with the Norton Regional. I don't know you nor do I wish to. But is it possible that you or your kid is in the Norton Regional and you are just scared of not making it to the big show.

What I ment by "only the strong survive" is that I think it would be nice to send those "great teams" around the state to different regionals and see just how well they fare.”


Hey big guy would it be OK with you, your coaches, your Administration, and the KSHSAA if you could be assigned to the Northwest Kansas Regional Next year? It’s ok with me - In fact I would really like to see which of the “strong survive” – wait, lets make it this year

Dalefish1

PS: to quote you again “ “I don’t know you nor do I wish to.” ditto
PS:PS: obviosly is spelled obviously, obsesed is spelled obsessed, and ment is spelled meant – also I would like to see how you would do against Sprigg or Klein, Wouldn’t you?? –We will find out at Hays

Footnote: Norton Regional has 8 of last years top ten teams, Hesston has zero

They need to send those team down here. just because there aren't many mentionable teams there are some mentionable wrestlers i dont like that a bunch of fish make it to state from our area but thats the way it is... like i said earlier we have wrestlers that could make it at any of the regionals.including eurekahwt. way to show some obvios* hostility towards us. like everyone else said its the KSHAA makes the decions not us. and about the spelling of eurekahwt, we're all a bunch of poor dumb hicks and we just dont know any better.

Lets end this bickering and keep track of the number of medals won at state by each of the four regionals. Wouldn't this be an good indicator of the relative strength of each of the regionals? If in fact they are equal in strength, 25% of the medals should come from each regional.

Or, lets "score" the regionals and total the actual medal placings: Each regional gets 6pts for each qualifier from their regional that wins a state championship, 5 pts for a second, and so on through 1pt for 6th.

Why is everyone whining about the regional assignments. So what you have quite a few good teams in your regional (NORTON) big deal teams and kids hearts get broken every year in sports. Two Ranked teams go up against each other in every sport but only one of them get to go to the state tournament atleast four wrestlers from each region get to go, so not as many kids get their hearts broke, that is just apart of sports. So quit gripping about it and be one of the top four then you dont have anything to worry about. Making it to Hays or Wichita. Think if there are 16 kids in each of your brackets 12 of those kids will be crushed and 4 will have succeed. four a total of 16 kids again at your state tourney. Yes some may be less deserving as others but it happens all the time every year a less deserving team makes it to state and a team that thinks they should be there is either sitting in the stands watching or at home watching it. so dont act like your the first its happen to if you dont make it then good luck next year work that much harder in the off season to make your self better. and if you dont have the will to do that then just remember yourself walking off the regional mat not making it to Hays or Wichita and that should be a good motivator for you. So please just quit all your whining again you arent the first that this has happened too and no matter how much u whine its not gonna change where your wrestling in your regional

Good idea, let us see who comes up with the most medals and let us see where the teams finish in the standings, then we will see where the hard regionals were.

Dalefish

it would be fine with me to be sent to norton. If that is where the KSHSAA wants to send me so be it.

What i ment by my little Ditto is that i have no desire to get to know this feller

Lastly i would like to apologize for spelling poorly but evidently i did it good enough for even yourself, who must be highly sophisticated, to understand.

htown,

Not whining ; just stating the hypothesis that the NW KS regional is by far the toughest of the four 321A regionals and offering an objective way to measure it (the hypothesis).

I think the jist of your missive is that life is not fair. However, your detached perspective might be different if it were kids from your family/town/area that were being treated unfairly year in and year out.