well i started this letter about kids and there dads and we were lucky that the 140lb 14 and under was over about 4, when we walked in to have the pictures taken there was no wait, the boys were told to get on the stand and the pictures were taken. so the idea of the long wait where the dad took the boy and walked out does not hold true in this case. i,am only talking about the 14 year old not every weight and age. I will say that there were eight kids in the 140 14 and under and there were six boys that would have loved to have been in the second place and they would have stayed. thanks for a great day in Salina and i just wish that we could come back next year but my grandson will be in hi school.