hey buffduddy,i was making the point because the guy before me said that chrisman got beat by tennant at state last year,so i reminded him about vogel's match with biddle,that's all was not comparing the two,ok duddy,as for vogels match with biddle,I don't remember it like that,might be wrong but i thought it was 17-7 or something like that,and if vogel did score more,the majority of his pts came cuz biddle took him down and let him up all match long,and I realize biddle was a stud as is vogel plus being a tremendous young man,him and nick are both studs