skelly's right. over my years watching the state tournament, i noticed only a few losing records in the 4a brackets, while the 5a and sometimes 6a brackets were filled with them. i'll admit, Turner and Manhattan may be the best 2 teams in the state, but after awhile the teams drop off. when 5a and 6a are good, they're really good. But in 4a, there are several great teams, even more good teams, and some more teams that deserve respect. the 16 man brackets in 4a regionals are much tougher to get through than 5a 8 mans