bub, my brother had a s*** load of knee injuries starting in Jr high. It took about two years worth of operations to get him well enough to compete. Noone has any idea how hard he has worked to get where he is, I was a state champ and had no where near the work ethic Kyle has, It was a hard pill so swallow (Kyle loosing) but as I said earlier he left it on the mat and lost to an awesome wrester. Danny Strait