Coachtwink- No offense taken. I'm really not trying to run down the state tourny in Hays. And I really don't want to talk about who's better than who. I'd prefer the kid's decide that on the mat. I've not heard one thing bad about the Hay's tournament. It sounds like a great atmosphere for the kids. And as far as wrestling being important to western Kansas, thats pretty obvious, I mean they have there own state tounament out there. And I have seen the teams you mentioned wrestle. But, I've also seen alot of the 456A teams wrestle. It just seems to me that the state has a split down the middle so that one side of the state doesn't recognize the other side. There are alot of talented wrestlers in this state. I just don't think they get the recognition they deserve because of this split.