Jhris i saw Ponderosa in person they are that good. There isn't a 160 pounder in Kansas that would beat their 160 pounder also i don't think there was a 125 pounder in Kansas that could beat them. They were also very good at 130 - 119 - 152 although he was just a freshman and i think the 171 pounder was pretty good. Kansas with an all star team could beat them, but no high school team alone could give them a run at all.