I think out of the 215 pounders in th past 2 years lattimer and speer still stand at the top, even though seiler and hemmerling were bad asses this year they still can't match those 2, I have wrestled both lattimer and selier and I can assure you that lattimer is better, I would have loved to wrestle speer, hemmerling, and caroll just to see how I match up with them but that never happened.