I will add to this discussion, using my own past. When we and by we I mean the team I was on back in 1998 won state by one point, everybody was so ecstatic that we had won. Somehow our entire team plus about 30 spectators managed to make it down to the floor of the collesium. When it came time to take a picture of the team, everybody and their dog managed to get in the picture. I'm talking about people who weren't even on the team ( not managers ect ect.) At the time I didn't really even think anything about it, but the camera guy sure was mad. The following year when we repeated the same situation was unfolding. This time I actually took time to say something. It was along the lines of "Hey guys this picture is for the next years state program, and in case you didn't notice every other team only has the coaches and the wrestlers who were wrestling in it" It wasn't because I dind't think it was our entire team that helped us get there. I was upset becuase this was supposed to be OUR and by OUR I mean the kids that were actually wrestling's, time to shine. Well my viewpoint eventually ruled out, so we decided to take two pictures, one for the next year program, and one for the team and the trophy case. Afterwards I thought about it and I got pretty upset because once again kids who had maybe wrestled 4 or 5 j.v matches all yar long, never finished practice, didn't do all the hard work the rest of us had, were now acting as though they were the ones out there winning championships. What futher angered me is that the excuse being offered was "Well the J.V kids were practicing with the varsity kids and making them better" Well thats all fine and dandy except for the fact that I didn't practice with any of the J.V kids. Maybe 3 or 4 times during the season I wrestled around with them during 3 mans or something like that. But when it came to drilling and flat out wrestling I never did. I don't know how true that was for the other Varsity guys cause I don't really remember. I do know there were two J.V. kids that were good enough to be on varsity and in fact placed in the top 3 at state the following year, but they wer on J.V. becuase the kids in front of them were better. That story being told. We decided not to get rings for either of our championships, we were happy just to win it, and we got the patches for our letter jackets. I would say that I very much agree with Jhris on this one. Honestly if you weren't out their wrestling, coaching, doing stats, or you weren't practicing with a varsity kid everyday, then you deserve to be part of the championship and get a patch or whatever but not a ring. I think direct contribution to the championship should be the qualifier for the rings.