So your saying that since three kids graduated in 5, 4 and 321a 215 is weak? I don't think so, if that is all it takes for a weight to be weak, then I say it was weak to begin with. I also think its funny that you say Carroll is not on the same level as Lattimer and Speer since Carroll is nationally ranked. He lost this year once to Bork and once to Hemmerling. That would put those two a step up from Carroll. Seiler beat Hemmerling, which would put him two steps up from Carroll. Staab looked good too, just not good enough to beat Seiler. I say those 5 kids right there, according to your non-weak weight criteria, are enough to make 215 a very tough weight.