Here's the dumb part; Gutwrench has tried to be positive and instructional. He tried to point stuff out that should be corrected. But rather than pay attention you guys all got defensive and insulting --- how dare he suggest that Kansas wrestling is not THE ABSOLUTE BEST IN THE WORLD???!!!!!

I'm not going to say who's right or wrong and I'm not going to start a whole other argument. But for crying out loud, have an open enough mind to actually listen in the first place and we won't get these threads that turn into elementary school arguments.

And as far as the stats at the top of the page, one question: Were they wrong? That's all I'm asking; were they wrong?


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