Ron, as I explained earlier ref hold the call to make sure that a quick takedown is not scored. But make no mistake when I say holding a call I don't mean like 30 seconds, i'm talking about 5-15 seconds, otherwise if in the opinion of that ref the O wrestler has not lost control then it will be a stalemate. As far as the wrestlers knowing what the situation is, if they are paying attention to the ref while wrestling then they have some serious problems.