Tim....my -

Good question. Who knows how things would have turned out. But, if memory serves me correctly (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this), Ochs won the open tryouts last season at 119 to start the season.

Baker had originally intended to go 112 until Ochs was injured and they then shuffled the line-up. Of course Tyler went on to have a great year and who knows how a tryout between those two would have turned out later in the year. And Michael Schamberger stepped in and delivered a great season too.

My point was intended to be that it is a pretty solid class and he was definately a part of it.

People forget that Charlie was a tough call in the semis away from the championship finals as a freshman.

Then as a sophomore he limped through the season injured and drew eventual champ Kyle Patton in the first round. Despite being injured and winded (because of a lack of mat time casued by the injury) Charlie gave Kyle all he wanted in the match. It was 2-0 late and ended 4-0 after he got caught when he tried a desparation move to close the match. Charlie fought all the way out the back to place 4th.

And Cardfan, I'll take your word for it that freestyle/greco results are a sound tool in determining folkstyle rankings. But I still contend you can be a pretty tough folkstyle team without exceling at the alternative disciplines.