Nigel, if you are still reading in this topic you can see that Iowa Fan is an example of one of these 12 & under kids who wants bigger mats and a better state experience. I believe you made a statement in the Kansas vs. Oklahoma topic that a 1/2 mat was good enough for 12 & unders. You also said, "...No more talk about giving this group and that group a great state experiance. Ask just about any kid in any age group and they will tell you that thye enjoy their state experience regardless of how its run...". If you read Iowa Fan's post above, I guess you would have to say he is an exception to your statement. Iowa Fan wrestled at State this year in the 12 & Under age group and he seems to believe that his state experience could have been better if it had been run in a different way.