I don't know who DefRef is, but this is great advice. Some great vetran refs took me under their wing last year, and some like new F1 Mark Anderson 2 years ago, and all of this is consistant with their advice, others include, Mike Wilms, Steve Herman and Keith Ashpole. Some of that advice, especially too close, slow down, and thick skin couldn't be more appropriate. The advice here is indication that this is a ref to learn from. Bottom line, thanks DefRef, some great stuff, I'll start looking at you alongside the good ones like I mentioned here, and others I didn't.