sitting on the ankle and looking to break bottom man down to his belly, looking for 3/4s, I think it depends on what the both of them are doing with their hands, while the top man is hooking or sitting on the ankle.

Kit, have your bottom man = outside stand up and elbow back into his chest to knock top man off balance and scramble from there.

As for stalling, acting like you are doing something is an art form, but working to improve can't do nothing but help you. I think we need to teach kids to wrestle or do more to get from position to position to hit moves. Moves are moves but the scrappers that get physical to get into position to hit moves are usually called dirty wrestlers, but then they are usually the ones that go to College because they know how to wrestle not just hit moves.

just a thought.

Tom Peterman