In regards to sitting on the ankle, if the bottom man begins kicking and crawling with purpose the top man will not be able to keep up to look for turns. In this position the top wrestler will only be showing that his efforts are in maintaining control while riding the ankle and not for setting up a turn/fall. In my opinion this should be called a stall.

If the top man is leaving the hips looking for openings and trying to create angles with either tilts, turns, or getting arms or holds then in no way should there be a stall. The top wrestler should be given the advantage of time in creating the turn if they are constantly looking and not just chasing the bottom wrestler. I think it also depends on how hard the top wrestler looks like they are working, their body language (do they look at the clock?), and any strange thing that a kid may do or say when they are on the mat to determine if there is a stall warranted.

But then what do we do with leg riders who "Cowboy" ride (ride with both legs)? Generally called a stalemate when there is no turn made.

Kit, I really like the "rule of thumb" on stalling that Official Ramirez told you. Thanks for passing that on. I do not envy the job of the official in making stalling calls and I appreciate that they do their best. There is no way I will always be satisfied while I am mat-side, but I will always respect that they have a tough job to do with "judgment" calls.

In the Spiral Ride/Tripod Stand-up situation I believe that the Spiral Ride has lost most of its effectiveness by the time the bottom wrestler has raised his hips. With exception of a few powerful moves from the Spiral on your feet (which are lower percentage than taking shots...i.e. step-through w/half) there are very few Spiral Ride advantages from riding it up on your feet. It now becomes the duty of the top man to bring the escaping wrestler back to the mat. In my opinion it is no different than the bottom man standing up and the top man riding around the waist from the side or behind.