Kansas Young Guns - USAWKS Folkstyle Team Champs!

Congrats to the Kansas Young Guns who whon the team title this weekend. Not many were still around when the traveling trophy was presented to them. Great job...

1. Kansas Young Guns KYG 552.5
2. Maize Wrestling Club Mze 502.0
3. East Kansas EKWC 478.5
4. Derby Derb 273.5
5. Ark City AC 259.5
6. Salina SAL 256.5
7. Brawlers Wrestling Club Brw 252.0
8. Manhattan Optimist MOKW 240.5
9. Greater Gold GC GGGC 233.5
10. Ogden`s Outlaws OOWC 221.5
11. Abilene Abl 213.5
12. Great Bend GB 212.0
13. Olathe Southside Falcons OSFW 209.5
14. Team Haysville THay 204.0
15. Newton NEWT 188.5
16. Leavenworth Co LCWC 171.5
17. Paola PAO 162.0
18. Scott City SCWC 160.0
19. Cougars Coug 148.0
20. Wichita Wrestling Club WWC 144.0
21. Hugoton HUG 141.0
22. Bonner Springs BSWC 129.0
23. Ulysses ULY 126.5
24. Wichita Blue Knights WBK 124.0
25. Lawrence Elite LEWC 117.0
26. Jr. Viking JVWC 109.0
27. Colby Wrestling Club CB 104.0
28. Norton Wrestling Club NT 102.5
29. Gray County GCKW 102.0
30. Louisburg LKWC 101.0
31. Beloit BELT 97.0
32. Marysville Myvl 96.5
33. Emporia Emp 96.0
34. Ottawa Mat Masters OMM 94.5
35. Pratt PWC 94.0
36. SEK Jr. Comets SEKJ 94.0
37. Blue Valley BVWC 92.0
38. Hays Wrestling Club HYS 91.0
39. Con-Kids CON 90.0
40. Burlington Burl 88.0
41. Dodge City DC 87.0
42. Andover Jaguar Wrestling Club Jag 85.0
43. Topeka Blue Thunder TBTW 84.5
44. Valley Center Wrestling Club VC 81.0
45. Augusta Wrestling Club Aug 76.5
46. Boos` School Boo 73.5
47. STA STA 72.0
48. Rossville RWC 71.5
49. Team of Hard Knox TOHK 70.5
50. Hutchinson Kids HKWC 68.0
51. Team Lightning TMLT 63.0
52. Phillipsburg Kids Wrestling PB 62.5
53. Parsons Pars 62.0
54. Topeka Thunderbird TTW 61.5
55. Jr. Panthers jrpa 61.0
56. Junction City JC 61.0
57. Chaparral Chap 60.0
58. Hillsboro Hill 60.0
59. Ottawa County OTTA 60.0
60. Pittsburg Pitt 59.0
61. Trailhands Trai 56.5
62. Smith County SMTH 55.0
63. SW Grapplers SWGY 53.5
64. Chapman CA 53.0
65. Goodland Wrestling Club GD 53.0
66. Smoky Valley SVWC 53.0
67. Mill Creek Valley MCV 52.5
68. Hoxie Wrestling Club HX 52.0
69. Linn Co Twisters Linn 52.0
70. Winfield Winf 52.0
71. McPherson MAC 51.0
72. Fort Scott FSWC 50.5
73. Jackson Co JCWC 49.0
74. Columbus Col 47.5
75. Kansas City Gladiators KCGW 47.0
76. Bobcat BCW 45.0
77. Carroll Jr Wrestling Club Car 45.0
78. Oakley Wrestling Club OA 44.0
79. Rock Creek Rock 44.0
80. Tonganoxie TWC 44.0
81. North Kids Club WIN 41.0
82. Frontenac Youth FYWC 39.5
83. Rose Hill RH 39.0
84. Wamego Jr. Raiders Wam 39.0
85. El Dorado Wrestling Club Eld 36.0
86. Liberal LIB 35.0
87. Council Grove CG 34.0
88. Hoisington HOI 34.0
89. Ellis Wrestling Club EL 32.0
90. Hill City Wrestling Club HC 31.5
91. Clay County Clay 31.0
92. Lincoln County LINC 31.0
93. Northeast Knights NKW 31.0
94. Turner Turn 31.0
95. Clearwater Clea 30.0
96. Plainville Wrestling Club PVL 30.0
97. Tiger Wrestling Club TIG 30.0
98. Oberlin Wrestling Club OB 28.0
99. Olathe OWC 28.0
100. St. Marys SM 28.0
101. Coffeyville Coff 27.0
102. Leoti LEO 27.0
103. Andover Junior Wrestling Club And 26.0
104. Wakeeney Wrestling Club WAK 26.0
105. Caney Cany 25.0
106. Independence Indy 25.0
107. Ellsworth County ELLS 24.5
108. St. Francis Wrestling Club STF 24.0
109. Vermillion Valley Verm 24.0
110. Douglass Doug 23.0
111. Osawatomie OSA 22.0
112. Allen County AlCo 21.0
113. Eureka Wrestling Club EU 21.0
114. Russell RU 21.0
115. Semper Fi Semp 21.0
116. Central Wrestling CW 20.0
117. Chanute CWC 20.0
118. Renegades Ren 20.0
119. Sabetha Sab 20.0
120. Herington Her 16.0
121. Marion Marn 16.0
122. Piper Kids Wrestling PKWC 16.0
123. Central Heights CH 15.0
124. Lakin LMC 15.0
125. Larned LAR 15.0
126. Frankfort Fran 14.5
127. Bulldog Bull 14.0
128. Tribune TRI 14.0
129. Mulvane Mulv 13.0
130. Stockton Wrestling Club ST 12.0
131. Rhinos Wrestling Club RHI 11.0
132. Doniphan Co Grizzlies DCG 10.0
133. Kansas Thunderstruck KTW 10.0
134. Sunflower Kids SKWC 10.0
135. Chase County ChCo 9.5
136. SES Wrestling Club SES 8.0
137. Republic County RPCo 7.0
138. Topeka Tornado Torn 7.0
139. Wellsville Kid Matters Well 7.0
140. Atwood Wrestling Club ATW 6.0
141. Fredonia Fred 6.0
142. Mission Valley MV 6.0
143. Osborne OSBN 6.0
144. Sidewinders side 6.0
145. Wellington WE 6.0
146. Labette Jr. Grizzlies JRGZ 4.5
147. DeSoto Kids DKWC 4.0
148. South Central Strykers SCS 4.0
149. Sublette SUB 4.0
150. Baldwin City BCWC 3.0
151. Cherryvale Cher 3.0
152. Atchison Kids AKW 2.0
153. Cowley County Vikings CCV 2.0
154. Silver Lake SLWC 2.0
155. Garden Plain GP 1.0
156. Spring Hill SHWC 1.0
157. Team Hawks THWC 1.0
158. Team Tigers TTWC 1.0
159. CPA CPA 0.0
160. Effingham EWC 0.0
161. Gardner-Edgerton GEWC 0.0
162. Halstead HALS 0.0
163. Mill Valley MVWC 0.0
164. Patriot Wrestling Club Pat 0.0
165. Red Devil RDWC 0.0

Did they change team scoring this year? I thought only placers scored points.

Yes...we had a Kids Executive Board Meeting prior to the tournament and it was sugested that we score advancement points as well...there were no objections from any of the districts reps so that is what we did.

Yes, congrats to the Kansas Young Guns on winning the team championship. At times it seemed as if there was a Young Gun kid wrestling on every mat.

Does anyone know what team scores would have been had they not changed the scoring?

I'd sure like to know Jeremy!!!!!!!!

1. Kansas Young Guns - 291
2. Maize Wrestling Club - 273
3. East Kansas - 255
4. Derby - 147
5. Ark City - 137
6. Brawlers Wrestling Club - 129
7. Salina - 124
8. Greater Gold GC - 120
9. Manhattan Optimist - 107
9. Greater Gold GC - 120
10. Ogden`s Outlaws - 106

No Change in the top 5, a few changes in the next 5.
This was placement points only.

The scoring will correlate to the number of kids your club has wrestling at the state tournament which most likely will correlate directly with the number of kids you have in your club. Team score has always been an informal tradition as there are no rules or bylaws for this. The traveling trophy was created to memorialize Greg Grater's contribution to Kansas wrestling. Thus the the name Grater Cup with the names of the teams winning it added each year sort of like the Stanley Cup in hockey.

It seems now that this trophy has polarized our clubs as most do not have a shot at winning it.

I would like to see some suggestions as to how we could do this differently without disenfranchising any of our kids who are members of their respective clubs.

Should we have a small club cup? How would you define a small club verses a large club?

Should we cap the number of entries you can have on one club at subs meaning that you might have to have a East KS Team 2, for example.

Just looking for some outside of the box ideas to promote Kansas Kids wrestling.

Small 1-15

Medium 15-30

Large 30-50

Giant 50-100

It is crazy coming from a smaller type clube the number that some have.

Track does have a participant count so it wouldn't be that hard.

I would rahter see a couple dual format tournaments thourghout the year in Kansas. We traveled to MO for one earlier and I still enjoy them.

A team is a set amount of weights, not how many clubs get absorbed into one giant one.

I have been to several tournaments outside of Kansas (TX, NM) where you are allowed to list your top 20 wrestlers. Placement point totals were the determining criteria, but I really enjoyed the bonus point system at this years state tournament! I would be for a Top 20 with the point system we had at this years state championship. Coaches pick their Top 20 wrestlers! 20 is a great number in my opinion, but who is to say 15 wrestlers couldn't beat 20?

I come from large clubs and always have, but just because you bring a lot of wrestlers to the state tournament doesn't mean you place in the top 5 at state. Take a look at number of kids each club brought to state and there placement.... I don't have time to crunch the numbers but I am sure someone can.

Just a suggestion but maybe by school attended. So if you wrestle for haysville but go to goddard you would be listed as haysville club/ goddard school and your points would go for goddard. If your a young gun and go to eisehower you would be listed as young gun club/ eisenhower school and points would go to eisenhower. Just a thought would show the winning school instead of club. Sounds pretty cool to me.

Mike pirl

Congrats to the Young Guns !

Dan Gentzler

The top 3 clubs in participants finished in the top 3. The number one club had the most.

If you have a thousand wrestlers it wouldn't matter if they were not any good. Bottom line is the top three have a lot kids because they have a lot of great coaches.

No one wants to be on a team that is standing still,so in turn they flock to these elite teams. Which each year they have more kids.

These teams aren't in the top three because they have more kids. They are in the top three because have more kids that place high in every tournament, not only State.Look at all of the National Tournament results almost all of the placers from Kansas are from these big schools in the top ten.

All of the top ten teams have kids that become great High School wrestlers and that is all that matters. Kids team titles (although are awesome)dont really matter.

Average points per wrestler?

I agree, they still have to qaulify at subs and districts. Even tougher, they have to win matches at state.

Some communities, no matter how great the program and coaching, do not have the numbers to draw from. With Greater Gold being the one exception, nearly all of the clubs that have been champions were from either the KC area or Wichita area.

What about using a percentage of participants to placers? For instance if you take 12 to subs and 6 place at state, you get 50%. Personally I think some of the smaller clubs are greater and do get over looked. How many clubs can qualify 75% of its wrestlers at the state level be under the radar? Just sayin.

so you think 6 out of 12 placers is better than 34 out of 49. im not so sure about that. i talked about this a few years ago when we took 23 kids to state and placed 17. its really not about quanity but quality. lucky for us we have both. we have a very good novice program to build with as well. i would be lying if i said winning the team title wasnt nice because it was. we lost to east kansas last year by around 10 or 12 points and took 10 less wrestlers. so we have been on both sides of it. the boys were excited about having the chance to win it when we qualified the numbers we did. i personally dont go into the season thinking about winning the team title. it was there and our kids worked just like everyone else did to claim it in the end. i knew it would be close with maize and east kansas. something i think would be even better than this is to win a team championship at tulsa nationals.

No actually i think he said 34 out of 49 would be better. 6 out of 12 is 50%, and 34 out of 49 is 69%. So you guys would still win.

Congrats Kansas Young Guns, it took everything you had to knock of Maize this year.

My family had been part of a community team for the past 8 years. This year we parted ways due to "politics" and came to the
Young Guns family and were welcomed with open arms. Our son, while not winning state, did have his highest placement at state to date. Another member of said community club also came to the Young Gun family this year also had his highest placement to date by taking the State Championship! The the community club that we left this year boasted one of it's highest sign up numbers of 80+ kids. Yet this club/team failed to place any kids at state for the first time in more than a decade. From this personal experience I believe coaches' have more of an impact than numbers! But yes, to finish in the top 5-10 teams at State you will have to have top 10 sign up numbers.

Wow, thats alot of clubs!! Congrats!!!

Maintain the same scoring that we are using now for the tournament so the Big 3 can battle it out for the overall crown but allow the following format to score so every team can participate in a fair and equal tournament as well. Burlington uses this format and we used it at Eudora this year and had success with it.

Prior to the start of the State Tournament each club turns in 2 scoring representatives from each age group.

8U -2
10U - 2
12U - 2
14U - 2
HS - 2

These 10 kids score points for their respective clubs. Criteria will be the big point of making this system work. I will put this out there to get some response.
Criteria for tie breakers:
1.) Most Individual Champions
2.) Most Pins
3.) Most Wins
4.) Fewest Losses
5.) Quickest Pin

Any restriction of the number of wrestlers who can compete for your club may cause some hard feelings.

Either that, OR, we could quit worrying about team scores and/or who might be winning the team race? Besides, as we all know, "wrestling is not a team sport"!

Our club has wrestled the Burlington Open/Novice tournament for last 5 or 6 years. Burlington runs a a scoring system similar to the one stated by Stoudman. It works pretty good. The scoring is only open to the Open wrestlers. We have a small club and it gives us a chance to compete with the big clubs. Our club only has 20 to 25 kids out. 10 to 15 of those kids are Novice wrestlers. I like the idea of this scoring system. Last year Trail Hands Wrestling Club won the team title at Burlington. If wrestling is not a team sport then why did Penn State win its 3rd national team title this year? Looks like a team sport too me.

Josh Parker
Mission Valley

penn state must have had the most wrestlers.

I don't see a problem. It was fine and dandy when District 1 was compliling an All-Star Team and Winning. Why does it need to change now that District 2 is doing it?

Congratulations to the State Champion Team YOUNG GUNS.

We dont change it Chad. We are just poposing adding to it so the smaller clubs can compete as well. All USAWKS needs to do is buy another trophy. The "Club Champion" is the overall winner just like today. The "Team Champion" is the award for the format outlined above. I say we dedicate the trophy to the Elvin family. I would have the clubs let the kids vote for who represents the club for the team championship with the coaches emphasizing sportsmanship, character, attitude and the quality of the athletes. Much similar to how they vote for a student council at school. This would alleviate the points Will makes in his earlier post.

I think the team/club championship is fine the way it is. The biggest team usually wins but not always. I like that bonus and advancement points were kept. The Superclubs will always be the only ones truly competing for USAWKS Club Championship. Thats how it is set up, the club with the most placers is gonna win, if they happen to have the most at subs then so be it, that is the best club in Kansas that year.
The rest of us will just have to wait and see how we can fare when it is KSHSAA handing out the goods.

That's True...Ark City and Derby will never win a Kids State Championship, but they consistently place in the top 10. When it comes to KSHSAA they usually don't do too bad.

Big Props to the Kansas Young Guns for winning Kid's State!
Obviously they have great leadership to successfully coordinate this rise to the top in such short time. I realize they have great kids, but it still takes leadership to put them together and pull this off.
Also great job at the Folkstyle Nationals.
Congratulations to the Kansas Young Guns wrestlers, their parents and families, their coaches and the club directors!

You've got to be kidding me!! Cokeley, Aren't you the one always complaining that KSHSAA has too many wrestling classes? Now you want to divide up the championship for kids state? This is like the pot calling the kettle black. You make the argument all the time that we should combine high school state into one class. Kids State is a perfect example of what would happen. The only way to be able to win a one-class state would be to Recruit an all star team.

I don't think you understand what Will was saying. Also, i'm really not understanding anything you said. Could you please elaborate?