Kansas Wrestling

2008-09 All-Class Ranking

Posted By: Chief Renegade

2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/02/08 04:08 PM

STARTED A NEW THREAD!


Thanks to all that gave input on estimating their weights and rosters! Many coaches, parents and wrestlers helped make the ranking more accurate. This will also prompt many revisions from those that have not responded. As the season gets closer, I will revise the rankings as information comes in. All in all, it's been a great time hearing from the Kansas wrestling community! These last two months are always the toughest. Thankfully we have the Fall Brawl, Super 32 and many dedicated coaches that are training our wrestlers for opening day!




2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Smith Center - 321A
6. Lansing - 5A
7. Wichita Northwest - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Emporia - 5A
10. Gardner - 5A



103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
7. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
10. Dylan McKinney - 9 - PA - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
3. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
4. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
5. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A
12. Brady Heincker - 9 - DB - 6A
13. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
6. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
7. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
8. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
9. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
10. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
11. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
12. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
13. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
4. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
5. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
6. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
7. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
8. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
9. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
10. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A
11. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
6. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
7. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
8. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
3. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Reece Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
5. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
6. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
7. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
8. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
9. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
10. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A
10. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
3. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
4. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Dalton LeMay - 12 - OT - 4A
8. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
9. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
10. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
4. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - CL - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 4A
5. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
6. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
7. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A


Posted By: D Petrie119

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/02/08 08:09 PM

washington highschool moved up to 6a this year?
Posted By: greghanel

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/02/08 10:37 PM

hanel beat price at 123a state championships in the 160 championhip match last year and has stated to me he will be wrestling 171 this year so would think he should be in the mix
Posted By: greghanel

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/02/08 10:39 PM

hanel is from beloit
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/03/08 02:15 AM

Thanks Greg. Cody has been added.
Posted By: Scarecrow_103

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/03/08 03:22 AM

like the 3 lawrence kids getting some love... Blake, Reece, and Brian.... Like it Chief...
Posted By: BVWJAGS

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/03/08 11:57 AM

Chief....relatively new to this site, which I find very informational. There are a couple of instances at 103 and 112 where you have ranked incoming 9th graders ahead of 10th graders who have probably competed against high school level competition aleady. Several ahead of Vesta and Heincker ahead of Seaton. Just wondering what criteria you use to rank them that way? Do you base that on head to head competition? Junior High performance? Particularly in the lower weights I would see the difficulty of trying to rank them appropriately, given you have no high school record to base your decision on.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/03/08 12:28 PM

Welcome to the forums BVW!

Incoming freshmen are always harder to predict, but in the lower weights there are many that will place very high at State. In many cases the Kid's State brackets give you a glimpse of what to expect. In the examples above, Vesta, Locke and Heincker competed in the 14/100 bracket where Locke beat Vesta in a very close match and Heincker beat Locke in the finals. A little more subjectivity comes in with Aaron Seybold. His potential is what carried more weight in my ranking. Having said that, it would not at all surprise me if Vesta beat any of those guys on a given day. After the two upper classmen at the top, the margins are very thin. With Pursel, you have a kid that has only lost to two Kansas kids in 5 years and has many national honors. All in all, freshmen are certainly unpredictable. That's part of the fun of it all!
Posted By: GEwrestler135

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/03/08 06:32 PM

lansing over Gardner??
also i believe Greg crutis beat Grant Hinckley at kids state last year.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/03/08 07:06 PM

Should be interesting...

Returning wins:
Lansing - 223
Gardner - 216

Returning SQ's:
Lansing - 10 (Demarest- 06 SQ, moved back from PA.)
Gardner - 9

Returning State Placers:
Lansing - 3
Gardner - 3

Incoming Impact Freshmen:
Lansing - 1 - Likely #1 ranked in 5A, Bo Pursel.
Gardner - Not that I know of...

# of wins by Curtis over Hinckley at 08 Kid's State:

0
Posted By: GEwrestler135

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/03/08 07:37 PM

thanks chief!
Posted By: klintdeere

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/03/08 08:38 PM

Washburn Rural will have
06 medalist Dylan Pryor at 215, he has beaten Hicks in the past


Dalton Stanley will be a factor at 160--Treinan is a good kid but was out most of last year with injury
Posted By: greghanel

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/05/08 11:23 PM

as beloit goes in team rankings only lost one state placer and returning 2 state champions state championship team 2 years ago 3rd last year by minimal points and without championship match contender do to personal problems should be in the running for another 123a state championship
Posted By: 24/7

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/06/08 01:16 PM

Chief...Thanks for the love for Lansing. As a Lansing dad, a wrestling coach, fanatic, etc, I think they will be very good too. Specifically on my son Bo I look forward to him earning whatever he gets both on his own team and abroad. He has won his share in the past but weighs a flat 100 pounds eating anything he wants. I am sure he will have his troubles with wrestlers of similiar ability that outweigh him by 15 pounds or more. It will be a fun year. I look forward to seeing Bo and all the Lansing wrestlers test their skills. Go Lions!

24/7 Mike Pursel
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/06/08 01:44 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Smith Center - 321A
6. Lansing - 5A
7. Wichita Northwest - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Emporia - 5A
10. Gardner - 5A



103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
7. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
10. Dylan McKinney - 9 - PA - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
3. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
4. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
5. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A
12. Brady Heincker - 9 - DB - 6A
13. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
6. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
7. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
8. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
9. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
10. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
11. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
4. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
5. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
6. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
7. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
8. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
9. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
10. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A
11. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
6. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
7. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
8. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Reece Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
5. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
6. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
7. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
8. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
9. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
10. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A
10. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
3. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
4. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Dalton LeMay - 12 - OT - 4A
8. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
9. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
10. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
4. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - CL - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 4A
5. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
6. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
7. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A




Posted By: statechamp69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/06/08 06:07 PM

r u tellin me that jake gentzler won sate last year and uve got alan callahan ranked over him and alan didnt even place thats a little unbelievable
Posted By: Svo69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/06/08 11:12 PM

Rankings:

I've never seen the young man named:Sharkey Slyter, wrestle since he was involved in "Kid's wrestling tournament". However, several years ago,I vaugely recall a time when I was manning a table at the Wichita Classic and Slyter (I remember the name: "Sharkey") was checking out the brackets (and inquiring of me) to see if some steller opponent (an elite, highly ranked individual, who I choose not to name) was in his age and weight bracket (I recall that Slyter told me that he had adjusted his "weight" specifically for this tournament so that he could test his mettle against this opponent).

That got my attention. When told that this opponent was not in the mix, Slyter was obviously disappointed. I recall that I was suitably impressed with the young Mr. Slyter (I should add that I did not perceive his demeanor to be "cocky" but, rather, "confident" and "desirous" of facing off against the best their was to offer in the state of Kansas at or about his given age and weight!

I now see that, in all-class rankings, he has gotten the "nod" over Daniel Deshazier in the all-class rankings.

I have no idea who will eventually "prove" to be the best wrestler on a given night (i.e. Slyter or Deshazier), if and when, Slyter and Deshazier "meet-up" during the course of the on-coming season. Having seen Deshaizer wrestle, I would be hard-pressed to bet against him, but I still remember the competitive spirit of that young man that impressed me so much (i.e. Slyter).

Bottom line: I would just like to be there when and if this match would ever come to pass. I presume that there are countless, anticipated match-ups, throughout this state, eagerly awaited, which will either "validate" or "disprove" the chief's rankings . We either want the chief's rankings to be "vindicated" or to "proven to be wrong". That's the nature of the beast.

Chief: I already presume that you have some pretty "hard bark" on you and that you are willing to let the proverbial "chips fall where they may", in the spirit of heads-up "competion", and adjust your "rankings" accordingly"

In years past you have done that. Thanks alot.
Posted By: Kit Harris

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/07/08 12:57 AM

statechamp69 makes a correct observation. Gentzler, Seaton, and Colton Eck should all be ranked above Alan Callahan. If using last year's state tourney as main guage (which is most appropriate) the order should go: Gentzler, Seaton, Eck, then Callahan. Should overall be a great weight class if they all end up at this wt.

Good luck all this season!
Posted By: DanaHeavyweight

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/07/08 01:08 AM

when did nowak drop to 189?
i remember wrestling him last year at 285
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/07/08 01:29 AM

Originally Posted By: DanaHeavyweight
when did nowak drop to 189?
i remember wrestling him last year at 285


Jacob has really worked hard to get in shape and trim down from last year. He looks dramatically different and will make 189. Looks like he's taking his Senior season seriously!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/07/08 01:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Kit Harris
statechamp69 makes a correct observation. Gentzler, Seaton, and Colton Eck should all be ranked above Alan Callahan. If using last year's state tourney as main guage (which is most appropriate) the order should go: Gentzler, Seaton, Eck, then Callahan. Should overall be a great weight class if they all end up at this wt.

Good luck all this season!


This weight was the toughest to rank. In most cases, the State brackets ruled my decision in the rankings. Sharky Slyter and Callahan are exceptions. The body of work that Alan and Sharky put in (43-4 and 38-4), along with my observation of many matches involving these wrestlers, influenced the order. Having said that, Colton Eck deserves to be ranked (the 14 losses blinded me). He also beat Moeder on his way to the 14/110 title at Kid's State. It looks like a repeat from last year's highly competitive 119.

Can't wait till the first whistle!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/07/08 01:19 PM

UPDATED BELOW
Posted By: rickybobby

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/07/08 01:44 PM

i seen you moved sommer up to 160,
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/07/08 01:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Chase
no brothers Houlden in the mix??

suprised to not see atleast ryan



Wow. Ryan is now in.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/07/08 02:02 PM

Originally Posted By: rickybobby
i seen you moved sommer up to 160,


He's entered at 160 for the Preseason Nationals.
Posted By: Chase

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/07/08 02:06 PM

yea sry im slipping in my old age .. had to do some more detailed searching..
Posted By: rickybobby

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/07/08 02:41 PM

that makes sense, nathan has tried to keep his weight up for football where he is having a great season probably get to 152 later
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/09/08 12:50 AM

4th ranked Chase Locke at 103 from MZ i am sad too say will be out for the season with a broken arm in 2 places..
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/09/08 01:42 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Lansing - 5A
8. Emporia - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Wichita NW - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
7. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
10. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Dylan McKinney - 9 - PA - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
3. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
4. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
5. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A
12. Brady Heincker - 9 - DB - 6A
13. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
6. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
7. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
8. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
9. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
10. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
11. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
4. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
7. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
9. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
10. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
6. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
7. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
8. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
9. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
10. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
11. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Reece Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
11. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
12. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A
10. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
3. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
4. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Dalton LeMay - 12 - OT - 4A
8. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
9. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
10. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
4. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - CL - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 4A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A

Posted By: Salas

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/09/08 07:29 PM

Hey, do we have any consideration for the other boys who placed in State last year for Liberal, Like 130# Victor Cruz who will be wrestling 130 again and placed 5th last year and Tyler Sutherland who will be at 160 and placed 4th last year at 152. Ralph Salas who was ranked 3rd in state at 112 last year before tearing his mcl but will be back in the second semester at 119.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/10/08 03:21 AM

I added Tyler Sutherland at 160. I do expect Ralph to be in there before too long.
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/10/08 02:40 PM

what about colby watters from AC at 103? he's beetin some of the best..
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/10/08 04:25 PM

Originally Posted By: KSdriver
what about colby watters from AC at 103? he's beetin some of the best..


I wasn't sure that Colby could make 103. I know he lost a close match to Caleb Seaton at Kid's State.
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/11/08 05:02 AM

well i have been able too talk to him about that and he says theres no doubt he will be going 103 for this year.. i know he only lost one match that i know of last year..
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/11/08 05:02 AM

make that two including the match at kids state..
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/11/08 06:25 PM

codie dean 103?
Posted By: dallasjr

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/12/08 09:36 PM

Who is Sawyer Treinan from MH - ranked @ 160?
Posted By: dallasjr

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/12/08 09:40 PM

Liberal not considered? Why not since we are returning all of our placers, plus one that was injured that would have placed - we only lost one last year that placed?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/13/08 01:14 AM

After further review....

TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Lansing - 5A
8. Emporia - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Wichita NW - 6A
Posted By: 24/7

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/13/08 11:48 AM

Can somebody help me...How can kids with less than 5% body fat lose over 10-12% of their total weight and pass the hydration test? This seems no different than the cutting that has always taken place.

24/7
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/13/08 12:21 PM

its not easy TRUST ME,
Posted By: 24/7

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/13/08 12:50 PM

I guess I will just have to learn the "system" like some others apparently already know. Because to put it less politically correct there is NO WAY a kid with less than 5% body fat can cut over 10% of their weight and be hydrated. Either AD's are looking the other way or kids/coaches are cheating the system. or both...

Nothing I can do to change it obviously. It's just sad that rules are put in place and not governed to ensure compliance. If it's an anyting goes system fine, then we might as well just throw the rule out not try to hide behind some rule that we are trying to protect our kids, then have everyone know it's not followed.

Regardless good luck to all. I just hope my son and others on our team wrestle the big cutters on Friday's of the big tournaments.

24/7
Posted By: Jess Keith

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/13/08 03:17 PM

Cheif,

Thanks for all your hard work in putting these rankings togeather!!! I am gald to see that you are starting to see some of the BC light by moving BC from 8th to 5th. I still fill that you are not seeing just how bright the BC light is but that is OK!. Now lets get the season stared so that we can see how these cards fall. Your going to be surprised!!!!!

Good Luck To ALL IT'S GOING TO BE FUN!!!!!

Jess Keith
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/13/08 04:09 PM

That is true Jess. The more I beat the rosters up, the more I leaned toward you guys. Should be fun. We will see you guys at Gardner.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/13/08 04:21 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Lansing - 5A
8. Emporia - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Wichita NW - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
7. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
10. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Dylan McKinney - 9 - PA - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
3. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
4. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
5. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A
11. Brady Heincker - 9 - DB - 6A
12. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
9. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
10. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
15. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
4. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
7. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
9. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
10. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
6. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
7. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
8. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
9. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
10. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
11. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Reece Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
11. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
12. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A
10. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
3. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
4. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
4. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - CL - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 4A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A


Posted By: Cliff Carlson

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/13/08 08:22 PM

Do you have anything on the 123A rankings?
Particularly the 135 weight class.
Posted By: Dawg at Heart

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/13/08 08:37 PM

In 140 I have a real hard time believing Zahorsky is the 6th best in the state. That kid is a beast.
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/14/08 01:50 AM

Brijin McCullough of south will be at 119 this year .
Posted By: RedStorm

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/14/08 01:50 AM

Hey Chief, nice job! That is a lot of work!! You have also correctly ranked the Eudora wrestlers.

However, let me throw out some random, nonsensical rant so I feel like I am part of the discussion...

C.J. Napier #1?? What's he done??

Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/14/08 02:21 AM

Good one Coach. I'm sure you have a few ringers out there in Eudora.
Posted By: Ryan karjala

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/14/08 11:44 AM

I fear you are leaving Valley Center out of the top 10. They have 4 kids in the top ten with two in the top 2.

8. Jerred Douglas 12
7. Jimmy Stults 12
2. Chase Nitcher 11
2. Cade Blair 11
Posted By: 24/7

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/14/08 12:46 PM

Valley Center will be tough. 5a should be a brawl with Valley Center, Emporia, Gardner, Bishop Carrol, Lansing, etc.


24/7
Posted By: RJW1

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/14/08 01:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Dawg at Heart
In 140 I have a real hard time believing Zahorsky is the 6th best in the state. That kid is a beast.


Having seen many of the guys above him, I would say he's 6th. He is a good kid, but I wouldn't rank him above those guys.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/14/08 04:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Ryan karjala
I fear you are leaving Valley Center out of the top 10. They have 4 kids in the top ten with two in the top 2.

8. Jerred Douglas 12
7. Jimmy Stults 12
2. Chase Nitcher 11
2. Cade Blair 11



On the surface, I hear you. VC could very well contend for the top 3 in 5A. The All-Class team rankings are influenced by other team members that are just outside of the ranking, but would typically score points in a tournament scenario. They were very close to replacing WNW and it would not surprise me to see them contend heavily in 5A.
Posted By: HEADUP

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/15/08 02:12 PM

great job, most of these are right on. they are "rankings" and we all know you have to win on the mat, but until there is any head to head competition i think you nailed it. biggest question would be weights, ie jordan brown at 152 he's 175 now in football, and a beast. but my props go out overall great job.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/15/08 02:34 PM

Thanks SP. I keep trying to move Brown up to 160 and I get e-mails that he's going 152, per his coach. I know his intent is to be 152 after the Christmas break.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/15/08 03:32 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Lansing - 5A
8. Emporia - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Wichita NW - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
7. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
10. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Dylan McKinney - 9 - PA - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
3. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
4. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
5. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A
11. Brady Heincker - 9 - DB - 6A
12. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
9. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
10. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
15. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
4. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
7. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
9. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
10. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
6. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
7. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
8. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
9. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
10. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
9. Reece Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
11. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
12. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A
10. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
3. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
4. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
4. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 4A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A
Posted By: all boys

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/19/08 11:38 PM

Chief,
Do you see Blazevic in the top 10 from Olathe North? He has beat a few on your list at both 171 and 189.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/19/08 11:56 PM

I know Dave will be ranked in 6A. Feldkamp pinned him at 6a State but lost 1-0 to him at Kid's State and Curtis pinned him in that same bracket. Will he be 171 or 189 this year? What other ranked wrestlers did he beat last year?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/20/08 03:15 PM

New information on weight changes and history are still coming in. I will continue to update changes daily!


2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Lansing - 5A
8. Emporia - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Wichita NW - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
7. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
10. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Dylan McKinney - 9 - PA - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
3. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
4. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
5. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
9. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
10. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
15. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
4. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
7. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
9. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
10. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
6. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
7. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
8. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
9. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
10. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
9. Reece Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
11. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
12. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
9. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
3. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
4. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
10. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
4. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 4A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A

Posted By: Wes Park

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/22/08 12:29 AM

brett newell #1 in the world
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/22/08 02:30 PM

New information on weight changes and history are still coming in. I will continue to update changes daily!


2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Emporia - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Wichita NW - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
7. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
10. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Dylan McKinney - 9 - PA - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
3. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
4. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
5. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
9. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
10. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
15. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
4. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
7. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
9. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
10. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
6. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
7. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
8. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
9. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
10. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
9. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A
10. Reece Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
11. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
12. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
3. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
4. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
7. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
8. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
9. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
10. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
11. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
4. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 4A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A



Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/23/08 06:06 PM

New information on weight changes and history are still coming in. I will continue to update changes daily!


2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Emporia - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Wichita NW - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
7. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
10. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Dylan McKinney - 9 - PA - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
3. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
4. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
5. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
9. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
10. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
15. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
4. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
7. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
9. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
10. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
6. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
7. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
8. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
9. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
10. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
9. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A
10. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
11. Reece Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A



160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
11. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
12. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
3. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
4. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
7. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
8. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
9. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
10. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
11. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
4. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 4A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A




Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/23/08 08:50 PM

what happend at 112? Heincker being removed and harper being pushed down?
Posted By: Crossface King

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/23/08 08:58 PM

North West Kansas teams will soon make their presence felt in these rankings.Go North West teams!!!!!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/24/08 02:58 AM

Originally Posted By: KSdriver
what happend at 112? Heincker being removed and harper being pushed down?


Caleb Seaton deserved the nod over Harper. His victories over Tre Humphrey last year along with Humprey's win over Harper at State carried some of the weight. Heincker lost to Dremel at the Fall Brawl. I'm sure he'll be back in there before too long.
Posted By: Svo69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/24/08 01:27 PM

With nothing better to do last night, I decided to use the Chief's overall rankings and see how the various classes stack up in placing wrestlers in the chief's top ten. I should note that 135 lbs only had 9 ranked wrestlers and 215 lbs & 285 lbs had only 8 ranked wrestlers. Here is what I came up with:

Class 6 A:
Posted By: Svo69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/24/08 01:40 PM

With nothing better to do last night, I decided to use the Chief's overall rankings and see how the various classes stack up in placing wrestlers in the chief's top ten. I should note that 135 lbs only had 9 ranked wrestlers and 215 lbs & 285 lbs had only 8 ranked wrestlers. Here is what I came up with:

Class 6 A: 37 ranked wrestlers
Class 5 A: 39 ranked wrestlers
Class 4 A: 42 ranked wrestlers
Class 331: 17 ranked wrestlers

Class 6 A had 8 wrestlers ranked # 1
class 5 A had 2 wrestlers ranked # 1
Class 4 A had 4 wrestlers ranked # 1

Class 6 A had 3 wrestlers ranked # 2
Class 5 A had 7 wrestlers ranked # 2
Class 4 A had 2 wrestlers ranked # 2
Class 321 had 2 wrestlers ranked # 2

Class 6 A had 5 wrestlers ranked # 3
Class 5 A had 4 wrestlers ranked # 3
Class 4 A had 3 wrestlers ranked # 3
Class 321 had 2 wrestlers ranked # 3

class 6 A had 3 wrestlers ranked # 4
Class 5 A had 4 wrestlers ranked # 4
Class 4 A had 5 wrestlers ranked # 4
class 321 had 2 wrestlers ranked # 4

class 6 A had 4 wrestlers ranked # 5
Class 5 A had 4 wrestlers ranked # 5
Class 4 A had 4 wrestlers ranked # 5
Class 321 had 2 wrestlers ranked # 5

Class 6 A had 1 wrestlers ranked # 6
class 5 A had 4 wrestlers ranked # 6
Class 4 A had 6 wrestlers ranked # 6
Class 321 had 3 wrestlers ranked # 6

I recall a discussion this past season wherein a 4 A coach claimed that class 4 A was the deepest in talent. He certainly has support for this claim given these results.

I certainly recognize that these comments and statistics mean little, if anything, at this stage of the game. It struck me that there was surprising parity among the various classes of wrestlers.

Good luck to all during the approaching season.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/24/08 02:18 PM

Nice job 69! I had done a similar analysis after I posted the original version. 6A is top heavy with the top 3 teams in the state, in my opinion. 4A still carries the depth.
Posted By: Svo69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/24/08 07:44 PM

I decided to follow on through with the 7th ranked wrestlers through the 10th:

Class 6 A had 2 # 7 ranked wrestlers
Class 5 A had 5 # 7 ranked wrestlers
Class 4 A had 4 # 7 ranked wrestlers
Class 321 had 3 # 7 ranked wrestlers

Class 6 A had 2 # 8 ranked wrestlers
Class 5 A had 4 # 8 ranked wrestlers
Class 4 A had 7 # 8 ranked wrestlers
Class 321 had 1 # 8 ranked wrestlers

class 6 A had 6 # 9 ranked wrestlers
Class 5 A had 2 # 9 ranked wrestlers
class 4 A had 2 # 9 ranked wrestlers
Class 321 had 2 # 9 ranked wrestlers

Class 6 A had 3 # 10 ranked wrestlers
Class 5 A had 3 # 10 ranked wrestlers
Class 4 A had 4 # 10 ranked wrestlers
Class 321 had 1 # 10 ranked wrestlers

No doubt about it. 4 A carries the depth.
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/24/08 08:04 PM

i understand your point cheif.. all though my thoughts differ.. in my oppinion harper is the best at 112 in 6a, also heincker was very sick at the fallbrawl according too his coach and partner roger windham.
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/24/08 08:05 PM

Also Hunter Stalford - Caney at 103 is very tough..
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/24/08 11:21 PM

Originally Posted By: KSdriver
i understand your point cheif.. all though my thoughts differ.. in my oppinion harper is the best at 112 in 6a, also heincker was very sick at the fallbrawl according too his coach and partner roger windham.


A big factor is moving up in weight. Wenzel and Norris are big 112 pounders. I do think there is not a lot of difference between them. With the freshman Heincker, he will have plenty of chances to move back into the rankings.
Posted By: Mike Furches

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/25/08 07:20 AM

Here is what I say, you guys all have too much time on your hands. May I suggest some good volunteer opportunities? How about a round of golf? I want someone to do a post count break down and tell me h ow long it will be before hief renegade and usawks1 moves into the #3 and #4 spot respectively. Then there is that Aaron Sweazy thing, shouldn't the postings under the other name count towards that stuck on 4999 count or something. Now there would be some worthwhile things to go figure on.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/25/08 03:01 PM

Is that "post envy" seeping in? Even if we pass you Mike, we have never played in a traveling band, grew our hair to the middle of our back or pastored a church!
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/25/08 06:57 PM

Cheif, if you ask me Waters of Ark CIty should be ranked ahead of Luke Cole of AB.. Even though Waters only being a Freshman and Cole being a Senior cole lost to cass steele last year for 5th and 6th at state and at kids state waters beet steele. just a thought?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/25/08 07:43 PM

It's a close one KSD. Steele had a rough day at Kid's State. He got pinned on the backside by Humphrey and didn't place. The Senior gets the nod at 103. I obviously am impressed with Colby, being the highest ranked freshman at any weight.
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/26/08 05:29 AM

I understand Cheif. Both Cole and Waters are two great wrestlers. If i remember correctly Waters only lost 2 matches last year one being to Seaton at state and the other being to Heincker at the finals in Ark City. But again both great wrestlers. Where will Steele be at this year Cheif?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/26/08 11:49 AM

Unfortunately, Steele will miss this season due to an injury.
Posted By: chewie

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/26/08 03:53 PM

What did he do?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/26/08 07:27 PM

I believe it was a foot injury with a 4 month recovery. He may be back in February.
Posted By: tcctmickey

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/27/08 12:48 AM

Cass did have surgery on his foot, everything went well. Broke the arch of the right foot and it is a very long recovery. Chief is correct 4 months out. If everything goes well he will be able to catch a few matches in the second half of the season.
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/27/08 01:49 AM

man im sorry to hear that! Cass is a great wrestler. If he wasn't injured what do you think his intended weight would be?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/28/08 03:34 AM

New information on weight changes and history are still coming in. I will continue to update changes daily!


2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Emporia - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Wichita NW - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
7. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
10. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Dylan McKinney - 9 - PA - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
3. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
4. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
5. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
9. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
10. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
15. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
4. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
7. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
9. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
10. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
6. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
7. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
8. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
9. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
10. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A
11. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
12. Reece Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A



160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
10. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
4. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
5. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 4A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A

Posted By: ksman01

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/30/08 02:26 AM

I've heard that Nitcher will be going 125 this year.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/30/08 03:17 AM

He was 135 at the Fall Brawl. I believe he'll start the year at 130.
Posted By: dallasjr

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/30/08 04:54 PM

Liberal kids - Tyler Sutherland will be @ 152, Nate Davis will be @ 215, and why isn't Victor Cruz ranked? He placed @130 last year and will be a senior this year - 135-140?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/30/08 05:32 PM

I'll change Sutherland and Davis. #8 ranked Mainz placed ahead of Cruz in that 130 bracket and 140 is deeper than 135.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/30/08 07:02 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Emporia - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Wichita NW - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
7. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
10. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Dylan McKinney - 9 - PA - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
3. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
4. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
5. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
9. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
10. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
15. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
4. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
7. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
9. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
10. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
6. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
7. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
8. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
9. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
10. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A
11. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
12. Reece Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A



160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
10. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A




Posted By: ksman01

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/30/08 08:22 PM

when i talked to him at fall brawl, i was told 125
Posted By: Wells

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/31/08 12:27 AM

Kyle Westmoreland of Derby @ 285 is 6A smile
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/31/08 12:34 AM

what will the 6a rankings be at 103 and 112?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/31/08 02:14 AM

The KWCA meeting is tomorrow. I would expect the class ranking's to be out by November 14th or earlier.
Posted By: moeder

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/31/08 02:15 AM

Chief, (or Chewy I know you can answer this also!), need a little help, I cant find my program/brackets from the Newton Tournament last year. Can you tell me how many of your current top 10(11) teams will be in that tournament?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/31/08 02:24 AM

Six of the top 10 teams will be there!

TEAMS - All-Class
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
7. Emporia - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A

Posted By: PLHSCOACH

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/31/08 03:40 AM

I think at 145 4A REEB is still at Jeff West which is 4A Last i checked He is a good wrestler
Posted By: chewie

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/31/08 06:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
Six of the top 10 teams will be there!

TEAMS - All-Class
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
7. Emporia - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A



and Clay Center
Posted By: moeder

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/31/08 11:44 AM

Thats what I thought - should be an outstanding tournament. I beleive I'm familiar with another team that will be in that tournament as well, and I would just bet that they dont finish in 8th or lower...?
Posted By: Svo69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/31/08 02:28 PM

Is Wichita Northwest not participating in the Newton Tournament this year?
Posted By: Svo69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/31/08 05:10 PM

If I'm not mistaken, the Newton Tournament will host seven (7) of the top ten(10) ranked teams (Gardner & Wichita Northwest are tied for tenth (10th) place):

2. Derby
3. Wichita Heights;
4. Clay Center;
5. Wichita Bishop Carroll;
7. Emporia;
10. Gardner;
10. Wichita Northwest;

Wow!
Posted By: wrestlersdad209

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/31/08 06:14 PM

just a thought but i understand clay center is a good wrestling team but junction city beat clay center and also wichita heights last year in a dual how come their not ranked in top ten
Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/31/08 07:24 PM

Since the KSHSAA will not allows us to have a Dual State tournament the only way to establish the best team is from the scores of an invididual tournament. So these rankings are for best tournament team not best dual team.
Posted By: Svo69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 10/31/08 08:25 PM

Chief ...?
Posted By: chewie

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/01/08 03:37 AM

Should be a great one like usual.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/01/08 12:58 PM

That is correct about the Dual vs. Tournament team ranking. The State results are the primary criteria that is used. A Dual team ranking would be much more difficult without more head to head team competition.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/01/08 01:11 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Emporia - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Wichita NW - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
7. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
10. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Kaleb Bonilla - 9 - GD - 6A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
3. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
4. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
5. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
9. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
10. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
15. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
4. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
7. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
9. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
10. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
6. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
7. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
8. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
9. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
10. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A
11. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
12. Reece Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A



160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
10. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A
Posted By: DanaHeavyweight

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/01/08 02:58 PM

who is Codie Bontz at 135. i see him ranked above Matt Brock but i can't seem to find him in last years state results. did he come from out of State?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/01/08 03:44 PM

He took 2nd at 321A State and went 33-4. He lost to Danny Floyd in the final and lost to Sal Tovar 3-2 at Kid's State.
Posted By: Wrestler02

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/01/08 09:59 PM

Chief - Any thoughts on a top 10 list, regardless of weight?
Posted By: sportzfool15

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/01/08 11:56 PM

how is Dane Norris in front of caleb seaton when caleb has beatin dane.......dane has never beat him at 112
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/02/08 02:05 PM

Originally Posted By: sportzfool15
how is Dane Norris in front of caleb seaton when caleb has beatin dane.......dane has never beat him at 112


It was more of a weight issue. Dane is a returning 112 and Caleb is moving up from 103. Am I right that the last time they wrestled was a Kid's State in 2006 at 90 pounds?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/02/08 02:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Wrestler02
Chief - Any thoughts on a top 10 list, regardless of weight?


Nice question. I'll work on that.
Posted By: wrestler155

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/03/08 07:13 PM

What about Ryan Wuthnow from abilene?
Posted By: dallasjr

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/03/08 07:58 PM

Liberal will also be attending Newton. Should be a great tournament!
Posted By: Svo69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/03/08 10:17 PM

Thanks dallasjr. Using the chief's pre-season, all-class rankings, it now appears that the top eight (8) teams will compete at the Newton Tournament of champions:

1. # 2 Derby class 6 A
2. # 3 Wichita Heights class 6 A
3. # 4 Clay Center class 4 A
4. # 5 Wichita Bishop Carroll class 5 A
5. # 7 Emporia class 5 A
6. # 9 Liberal class 5 A
7. # 10 Gardner (*) class 5 A
8. # 10 Wichita Northwest (*) class 6 A

* Gardner & Wichita Northwest are tied for 10th place.

Only Goddard, Smith Center & Lansing are missing from the chief's top ten (10). Even if the chief's pre-season rankings do not "hold-up", this tournament nonetheless promises to be the preeminent, pre-state, high-school wrestling tournament in the state of Kansas. If you can place in this tournament, your state odds suddenly look a tad more favorable. I'd like to hear any contrary opinions.

On an entirely different note: I'd like to weigh in on the chief's contemplated (given the chief's post in these regards), "top 10 list, regardless of weight".

Well, you know in boxing, knowledgable commentators and boxing enthusiasts for years, have opined about the "pound-for-pound", best "boxer" in the world. I always loved this stuff and enjoyed arguments regarding conflicting opinions (emphasis placed on "opinions").

I'm equally aware that, by deigning to opine about such intangible, subjective and admittedly, unprovable "rankings' the chief, and any contributors to his post, will almost certainly invite the inevitable wrath of, at least some of our Kansas wrestling "purists" (1 in particular comes to mind - he shall remain nameless, but I suspect he will show his stripes) - those who believe that any "rankings", not "earned on the mat, in competition", are unnecessary and unwarranted ... and not "backed up" by any objectively provable data, and are the product of pure "opinion" - admittedly vunerable to political influences, class and league prejudices, and not worthy of further discussion.

I still want to hear from all y'all. Prove me wrong. Prove me right.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/03/08 11:02 PM

With that drum roll, here is a swipe at the top 15!

1. C.J. Napier - 106-9 - 3rd, 1st, 1st
2. Tyler Caldwell - 111-4 - 1st, 1st, 1st
3. Boaz Beard - 80-2 - 1st, 1st, 1st
4. Kyle Detmer - 98-6 - 3rd, 1st, 3rd
5. Nathan Furches - 62-4 - 1st, x, x
6. Kendric Maple - 106-9 - 5th, 3rd, 1st
7. Sharky Slyter - 109-19 - x, 1st, 5th
8. Chris Watson - 119-13 - x, 2nd, 1st
9. Chase Nelson - 89-14 - x, 1st, 1st
10. Trent Cox - 99-7 - 1st, 4th, 1st
11. Mitchell Means - 100 - 19 - 4th, 1st, 2nd
12. Chase Nitcher - 85-7 - 3rd, 2nd
13. Colt Rogers - 70-0 - 1st, 1st
14. Kyle Caylor - 69-9 - 2nd, 1st
15. Jeff Vesta - 66-11 - x,1st, 2nd

Have fun with these!





Posted By: BigPin22

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/04/08 01:47 PM

I know he is younger than most listed, but I think it hard not to put DeShazer(spelling?)somewhere on that list.
Posted By: "bumble" beasley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/04/08 02:33 PM

DeShazer lost to Stokes Bigpinn
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/04/08 02:36 PM

Originally Posted By: BigPin22
I know he is younger than most listed, but I think it hard not to put DeShazer(spelling?)somewhere on that list.


It was hard but then I would have to put Cokeley on there because Ryne has beaten Dapper the last 5 times. #15 ranked Stokes also beat DeShazer in their last meeting.
Posted By: BigPin22

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/04/08 04:59 PM

Originally Posted By: codybeasley
DeShazer lost to Stokes Bigpinn


Stokes is on the list.

Cokeley is deserving too. Lots of great kids around that weight!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/04/08 08:06 PM

Originally Posted By: BigPin22
Originally Posted By: codybeasley
DeShazer lost to Stokes Bigpinn


Stokes is on the list.

Cokeley is deserving too. Lots of great kids around that weight!


That was Beasley's point. The #15 wrestler beat him.
Posted By: Svo69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/04/08 10:05 PM

Match-ups I'd love to see take place:

1. Furches/Stokes;

1. Slyter/Deshazer:

* wouldn't mind seeing a rematch of Stokes/Deshazer, either;

2. Cox/Slyter
Cox/Deshazer;

3. Caldwell/Detmer;

4. Beard/Caylor;

Truth be known, my favorite fantasy match would be: Calwell/Detmer. I wouldn't hazzard a dime on the outcome.
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/04/08 10:59 PM

speaking of matches i would like too see..

Windham/Ruiz

Beasly/Houlden

Harper/Heincker

Furches/Slyter
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/05/08 03:15 AM

How about these two Semi-Final's:

Cokeley/Rogers/Nitcher/Cox

Detmer/Watson/Nelson/Houlden
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/05/08 12:24 PM

nice!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/05/08 03:27 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Emporia - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Wichita NW - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
7. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
10. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Kaleb Bonilla - 9 - GD - 6A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
3. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
4. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
5. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
9. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
10. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
15. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
7. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
8. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
9. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
10. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
11. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
12. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
13. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
6. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
7. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
8. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
9. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
10. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A
11. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
12. Reece Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A



160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
10. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A



Posted By: Svo69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/05/08 11:22 PM

I agree. Detmer/Watson/Nelson/Holden would be a great fantasy, semi-final! At this point in time I can't envision a more competitive line-up. With that said, I seriously doubt that these wrestlers will actually allow that to that to take place. Detmer, Nelson and Holden are all class 6 A.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/05/08 11:34 PM

Detmer and Watson are 5A. Nelson and Houlden are 6A.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/06/08 12:42 AM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Emporia - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Wichita NW - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
7. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
10. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Kaleb Bonilla - 9 - GD - 6A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
3. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
4. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
5. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
9. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
10. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
11. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
12. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
9. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
10. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
7. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
8. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
9. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
10. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
11. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
12. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
13. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
6. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
7. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
8. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
9. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
10. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A
11. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
12. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
13. Reece Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A



160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
10. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A


Posted By: dallasjr

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/06/08 06:02 PM

@152, Sutherland has beaten Newell 2 out of the 3 times they have wrestled - should they be reversed in placement?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/06/08 06:50 PM

Newell had a great State tournament and made the final after pinning Lemon and Hambleton then beating Lackey in the Semi. Where and when did they meet and who won last?
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/06/08 10:07 PM

103- Lincoln Lemon
103- Hunter Stalford
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/06/08 10:46 PM

Mcomb of derby will be going 130 ,
Posted By: Svo69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/06/08 11:08 PM

Thanks Chief. I knew better, I've seen Detmer wrestle for the past three (3) years. Shoot, I'm even an alum of B.C. I knew that he's He's 5 A. Thanks for clearing up my mistake ... and thanks for your willingness to stick your neck out in connection with these posts/rankings.

Cokely is right: You are the go-to guy.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/10/08 08:29 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Emporia - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Wichita NW - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
4. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
5. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
7. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
8. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
11. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Kaleb Bonilla - 9 - GD - 6A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
3. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
4. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
5. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
9. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
10. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
11. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
12. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
9. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
10. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
7. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
8. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
9. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
10. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
11. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
12. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
13. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
6. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
7. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
8. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
9. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
10. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
7. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
8. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
11. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
12. Reece Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
13. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A



160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
10. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A

Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/10/08 08:48 PM

chief.. isnt McCullogh going 119?
Posted By: dallasjr

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/10/08 09:33 PM

Sutherland beat Newell at Liberal in a dual,and also at the Garden City tournament 1/25 & 1/26/8 the wrestled twice Newell winning the first time 11-7, but Sutherland pinning him later in the tournament for Newell to finish 5th and Sutherland placing 4th.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/10/08 11:57 PM

Originally Posted By: KSdriver
chief.. isnt McCullogh going 119?


Nope. 112.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/11/08 04:35 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Emporia - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Manhattan - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
5. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
7. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
8. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
11. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Kaleb Bonilla - 9 - GD - 6A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
3. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
4. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
5. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
9. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
10. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
11. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
12. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
9. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
10. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
7. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
8. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
9. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
10. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
6. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
7. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
8. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
9. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
10. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
7. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
8. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
11. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
12. Reece Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
13. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A



160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
10. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A


Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/12/08 09:06 PM

Is Locke out?
Posted By: 24/7

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/12/08 09:42 PM

He is now projected to be back after Christmas from what I hear.

24/7
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/13/08 12:09 AM

oh well thats good
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/18/08 05:37 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Emporia - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Manhattan - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
5. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
7. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
8. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
11. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Kaleb Bonilla - 9 - GD - 6A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
3. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
4. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
5. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
6. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
7. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
7. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
8. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
9. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
10. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
9. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
10. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
11. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
12. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
13. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
6. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
7. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
8. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
9. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
10. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
7. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
8. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
11. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
12. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
13. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A



160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
10. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A











Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/21/08 05:18 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Emporia - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Manhattan - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
5. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
7. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
8. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
11. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Kaleb Bonilla - 9 - GD - 6A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
3. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
4. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
5. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
6. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
7. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
7. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
8. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
9. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
10. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
9. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
10. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
11. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
12. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
13. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
7. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
8. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
9. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
6. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
7. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
8. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
9. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
10. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
11. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
12. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
13. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
7. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
8. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
11. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
12. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
13. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A



160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
12. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
10. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A





Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/23/08 04:44 AM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Emporia - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Manhattan - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
5. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
7. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
8. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
11. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Kaleb Bonilla - 9 - GD - 6A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
3. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
4. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
5. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
6. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
7. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
7. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
8. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
9. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
10. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
9. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
10. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
11. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
12. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
13. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
7. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
8. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
9. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
6. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
7. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
8. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
9. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
10. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
11. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
12. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
13. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
7. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
8. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
11. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
12. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
13. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A



160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
12. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
10. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
10. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A
Posted By: Svo69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/26/08 03:50 PM

I noticed that Tim Chadd (Bishop Carroll, 171 lbs) is ranked # 4 in the Chief's over-all rankings and is curiously not ranked in the 5A rankings.

The "rumors" I hear is that Tim Chadd (and his brother) will not be wrestling this year. Can anyone confirm whether this is true?
Posted By: RichardDSalyer

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 11/26/08 09:15 PM

SVO69 you are becoming the rumor monger regarding the Bishop Carroll wrestling program.

Last week you asked:
Originally Posted By: Svo69 Tuesday November 18, 2008
Anything to the "rumor" that Jacob Cole will not be able to make weight 215 lbs and will be forced to settle at heavy weight and challenge their heavyweight?

And today you ask:
Originally Posted By: Svo69 Wednesday, November 26, 2008
The "rumors" I hear is that Tim Chadd (and his brother) will not be wrestling this year. Can anyone confirm whether this is true?

The answer to your question(s) can be attained by contacting Bishop Carroll Catholic High School Head Wrestling Coach Darian Eshelman.
Email: eshelmandarian@bcchs.org
Telephone: (316) 722-2390

If you would like the contact information for Mr. Chadd, kindly advise and I will happily provide?
Posted By: jamelleragas

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/02/08 04:35 PM

well all i got to say is watch out for jason seibel at 45 and my little bro Mike Bulman at 12 when he becomes eligible next semester.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/03/08 06:52 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Emporia - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Manhattan - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
5. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
7. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
8. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
11. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Kaleb Bonilla - 9 - GD - 6A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
3. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
4. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
5. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
9. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
10. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
11. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
12. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
7. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
8. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
10. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
11. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
6. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
7. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
8. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
9. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
10. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
11. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
12. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
13. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
7. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
8. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
8. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
9. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
10. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
11. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
12. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
13. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
14. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
7. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
8. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
11. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
12. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
13. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A



160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
12. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
10. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
10. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A


Posted By: Svo69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/03/08 10:37 PM

While I am somewhat reluctant (and humbled and maybe a little miffed) to accept Sawyer's criticisms of my last post (as he was pretty quick to point out) I can't find alot of fault or criticism with it. He's probably right.

Who knows? I certainly don't. I don't even have a "dog" invested in the outcome. I guess I was just trying to hang on for some unknown reason to inject some personal relevance to the approaching season.

You know guys like Sawyer, the chief, and many some others, know alot more about this stuff than guys like me ever will. I have never had any trouble in these admissions. Their contributions have admittedly added alot to my spectator status/season and I always appreciated it.

But hey guys, Just don't forget that everyonce in awhile, some out-of-the-loop, uninformed guy like myself, uninformed,with no particular agenda, for some reason choose, to inject their self into the discussion We (i.e. "I" )don't need (want) to feel embarrased, humiliated or labeled as some "rumor-monger" - I only hope that that is not how I was percive - it certainly was not my intent.

Honestly, Salyer: I didn't take it personally. I've read your posts and have come ( in the main) to admire them, and for that matter, you, as a stauch advocate of Kansas high school wrestling. I kinda looked at you and the chief at the "go-to-guys" of Kansas wrestling, even though I am well aware that you guys have your differences.

Pretty much, I'm outa here fella's. I no longer have a dog in the fight and I'll hereafter content myself to the commentaries of others. But that is not to say that I just may offer a comment every now and then.

Thanks alot everyone.
Posted By: master blaster

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/03/08 11:29 PM

" Lighten up Francis !"
Posted By: Svo69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/04/08 01:28 PM

Man, your right master blaster, taking another look at that post this morning, it sounds pretty sappy.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/04/08 11:35 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Emporia - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Manhattan - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
5. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
7. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
8. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
11. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
12. Kaleb Bonilla - 9 - GD - 6A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
3. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
4. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
5. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
6. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
7. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
8. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
10. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A
11. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
12. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
7. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
8. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
10. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
11. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Brady Heincker - 9 - DB - 6A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
6. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
7. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
8. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
9. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
10. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
11. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
12. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
13. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
4. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
7. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
8. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
9. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
3. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
4. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
5. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
6. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
7. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
8. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
8. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
9. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
10. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
11. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
12. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
13. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
14. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
15. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
6. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
9. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
11. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
12. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
13. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
14. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
5. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
6. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
7. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
8. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
9. Sawyer Treinen - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
10. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
10. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A





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Posted By: J Murdock

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/05/08 02:14 AM

Chief-
You might want to throw Scoot Deshazer in the mix at 112.He beat Wenzel in a very good match tonight at Heights.
Jason Murdock
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/05/08 02:17 AM

Thanks Jason. Nice win for the Freshman!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/05/08 02:19 AM

Thanks Jason. Nice win for the Freshman over the Senior!
Posted By: Wells

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/05/08 02:22 AM

Derby beat Goddard in the head on dual tonight!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/05/08 02:25 AM

Details? I had thought that Derby had the better dual team. It's the 4 champions that give Goddard the edge in tournaments.
Posted By: Wells

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/05/08 02:37 AM

I don't have all of the individual scores. I believe the final team sire was 39-31
Posted By: bawoody

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/05/08 02:55 AM

Windman (6) vs Lemon (0)
Sommers (7) vs Martinez (16)
Heincker (Pin) over Elliott
Reinhart (8) vs Belle (6)
Pralle loss T. Houlden (Pin)
Little (Pin) over Atkeson
Shavlik (9) vs Burns (5)
Curry loss Means (Pin)
Kuipers (5) vs R. Houlden (8)
Whittit loss Caldwell (Pin)
Feldkamp (Pin) over D. Beard
Carpenter (Pin) over Woodruff
Marlett loss Hicks (Pin)
Anderson (Pin) over Ulmen

Final Derby 39 Goddard 31

Pretty close considering Goddard had 4 freshman wrestling tonight
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/05/08 03:36 AM

Ah, no Boaz...
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/05/08 12:36 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking: *SEVERAL CHANGES*


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Emporia - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Bishop Carroll - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Manhattan - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
5. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
7. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
8. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
11. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
12. Kaleb Bonilla - 9 - GD - 6A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
5. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
6. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
7. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A
12. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
13. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
6. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
7. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
9. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
10. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
11. D'ondre Davis - 10 - WH - 6A
12. Tim Wrestler - 9 - CH - 4A
13. Brady Heincker - 9 - DB - 6A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
6. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
10. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
13. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
15. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
16. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
7. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A


140
1. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
3. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
4. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
5. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
6. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
7. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
8. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
9. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
8. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
9. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
10. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
12. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
13. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
14. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
15. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
6. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
9. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
11. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
12. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
13. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
14. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
15. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
4. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
8. Sawyer Treinen - 12 - MH - 6A
9. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
10. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
4. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON
7. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
7. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
8. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
9. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A


Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/05/08 04:54 PM

I see in the results from Thursday that Harper from Campus did not wrestle, anybody know why he was not on the mat??
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/07/08 10:18 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking: *SEVERAL CHANGES*


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Emporia - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Bishop Carroll - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Manhattan - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
5. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
7. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
8. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
11. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
12. Conner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
5. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
6. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
7. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A
12. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
13. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
6. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
7. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
9. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
10. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
11. Brady Heincker - 9 - DB - 6A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
5. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
6. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
10. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
13. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
15. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
16. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
4. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
7. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
8. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
3. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
4. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
5. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
6. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
8. Jason Siebel - 10 - SS - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
8. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
9. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
10. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
11. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
12. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
13. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
14. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
15. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
16. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
6. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
9. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
11. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
12. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
13. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
14. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
5. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
6. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
7. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
8. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
9. Sawyer Treinen - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
12. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
5. David Blazevic - 11 - ON
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
10. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
7. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
8. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
9. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A


Posted By: Lindon Bontz

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/07/08 11:32 PM

Chief,

It looks like Codie Bontz will be at 145.

Thanks for all your efforts.
Posted By: MANRUH

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/08/08 12:38 AM

is logan singular going 125 or 119?? hes ranked in 4a at 119
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/08/08 01:04 AM

he was wrestling 119 at valley center.
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/08/08 01:23 AM

Lincoln Lemon is wrestling Varsity for Goddard at 103 instead of Kaleb Bonilla
Posted By: lakemats

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/08/08 01:58 AM

Reeb Jeff West at 140 vs silver lake 12-04-08
Posted By: J Murdock

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/08/08 02:22 AM

Chief-
Where's the love for D'ondre Davis at 119? He pinned Heincker and beat Tim Wrestler from Chanute at Valley Center.I believe he was 4-0 overall.
Jason Murdock
Posted By: think gold

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/08/08 03:05 AM

what about some juncton city guys in the mix up for rankings such as evon royal 152 who has close matchs and even beating some of the guys ranked he is also #20 on the mats future oylmpian at 152. then theres lance maldenado 125 he has been in the mix alot having very close matchs with the guys in 125, jeff childs having a good season winning some crunch time matchs at 160 last year. all these guys are sound wrestlers.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/08/08 12:16 PM

The Valley Center Duals gave me a lot of ammo. I'll be making changes today. Thanks for the input!

Looks like the Freshman from Chanute shook things up a bit, beating Charland and Reed!
Posted By: oldfan

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/08/08 03:08 PM

I will have to 2nd what Murdock said, the Davis kid from Heights at 119 needs to be to be in the mix. Very strong on his feet....
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/08/08 04:07 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking: *SEVERAL CHANGES*


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Emporia - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Bishop Carroll - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Manhattan - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
5. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
7. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
8. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
11. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
12. Conner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
5. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
6. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
7. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A
12. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
13. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
6. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
7. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
9. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
10. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
11. D'ondre Davis - 10 - WH - 6A
12. Tim Wrestler - 9 - CH - 4A
13. Josh Neal - 12 - ON - 6A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
5. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
6. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
10. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
13. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
15. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
16. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
11. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Skyler McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A


140
1. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
3. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
4. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
5. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
6. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
7. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
8. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
9. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
6. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
7. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
8. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
9. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
10. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
12. Conner Middleton - 9 - ONW - 6A
13. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
14. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
15. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
6. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
9. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
11. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
12. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
13. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
14. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
15. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
4. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
8. Sawyer Treinen - 12 - MH - 6A
9. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
10. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
4. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
10. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
7. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
8. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
9. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
9. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A


Posted By: tt111

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/08/08 04:22 PM

i didn't see kyler wallace from clay center anywhere this weekend...where was he?
Posted By: flamingo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/08/08 06:18 PM

chief. if you only changed one ranking it should of been rogers from 3 to 1. could i get an explanation of why a wrestler who has 2 state titles and currently undefeated be ranked below anyone?
Posted By: StudentOfTheGame

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/08/08 06:33 PM

Wheres the love for some of the royal valley wreslers?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/08/08 07:31 PM

Originally Posted By: StudentOfTheGame
Wheres the love for some of the royal valley wreslers?


They have 1 returning SQ. Who would you suggest?
Posted By: Lindon Bontz

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/09/08 12:35 AM

Codie ended back at 135 in your newest update!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/09/08 12:52 AM

Man. I'm slipping. The wrong cut and paste! Got it changed back.
Posted By: flamingo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/09/08 04:03 AM

im eagerly awaiting that explanation.
Posted By: StudentOfTheGame

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/09/08 04:16 AM

jessie gibens at 145 is who i would chose
Posted By: Harpermom

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/09/08 01:01 PM

Originally Posted By: sum876
I see in the results from Thursday that Harper from Campus did not wrestle, anybody know why he was not on the mat??


Jason had a good growing spurt, was not able to make 112, he will be challanging this week to move up in weight class.
Posted By: Abe

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/09/08 03:21 PM

I think 4A Eudora is being overlooked as a team.
Posted By: master blaster

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/09/08 03:36 PM

Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A, Is nelson really going 171? Wasnt he 140 last year?
Posted By: CoachS

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/09/08 03:46 PM

He grew. He was 112 as a sophmore.
Posted By: master blaster

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/09/08 04:23 PM

Nelson vs Beard? That'd be worth the price of admission!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/09/08 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: flamingo
chief. if you only changed one ranking it should of been rogers from 3 to 1. could i get an explanation of why a wrestler who has 2 state titles and currently undefeated be ranked below anyone?


Certainly Colt Rogers is one talented wrestler. With the lack of common opponents, the All-Class ranking becomes even more challenging. Often times we have to rely on out of season events such as Kid's State, etc. Some criteria used in my 130 ranking:

1. Competition. Both on an in-state level and national. Ryne Cokeley is ranked in one publication, the #1 Sophomore in the nation and several others have him in the top 10.

2. Ryne is a Fargo All-American and a Cadet National team member who went 8-0 in Greco and 7-1 in Freestyle against the nation's best wrestlers.

3. Colt Rogers lost 10-1 to Beau Hentzen in the 16/135 bracket at Kid's State. Ryne Cokeley beat Hentzen 8-1 at the Gardner Invite this last Saturday.

Ryne Cokeley will attend the Bobcat Invite, Garden City and Newton tournaments this year with likely match-ups against Chase Nitcher, Louis Trujillo and plenty of tough competition. These factors are all weighed in my ranking decision. The clincher in my opinion is, I really don't think Colt can beat Ryne or Trent Cox. As tough as he is, I would not be shocked if he did, but I believe he should be ranked #3 at 130.

Any input is appreciated!
Posted By: Brian K. Patton

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/09/08 06:43 PM

Not to take away from Trent or Ryne They are great wrestler But I think Colt bump up to 135 at kid state.I sure somebody can find you quote Eric. That a lot of weight to give up.
Posted By: BigPin22

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/09/08 06:50 PM

Has Colt beat anybody else ranked in the top five from 125-130-135lbs.?
Posted By: BLT

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/09/08 09:00 PM

Jason looked awesome last night wrestling at that weight!
Posted By: BLT

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/09/08 09:02 PM

Please post on here if Nelson vs. Beard ever comes up! Great Match to watch!
Posted By: unclejacks

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/10/08 12:45 AM

i was just wondering why Gus allen from west elk isnt on the #215 all-class rankings!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/10/08 01:34 AM

Originally Posted By: unclejacks
i was just wondering why Gus allen from west elk isnt on the #215 all-class rankings!


Uncle,

I did see that he took 6th in the 321A bracket at 215. Looking at the bottom 4 ranked wrestlers at 215:

7. Howard Johnson - Won 27 matches last year, placing 6th at 5A/215. He was on the Kansas Junior Dual team with Kyle Caylor at 215.

8. Jake Cole - Won 28 matches for 5A Bishop Carroll.

9. Michael Patenaude - Won 36 matches, placing 3rd at 4A/215.

10. Kendall Pierce - Won 30 matches, placing 6th at 4A/215.

Does Gus have any history with them?
Posted By: D Petrie119

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/10/08 01:46 AM

in the 119 all class rankings, Josh Neal, Evan Amaro, Colt McElroy and David Petrie should be ranked above Brady Heincker..
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/10/08 02:31 AM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking: *SEVERAL CHANGES*


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Emporia - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Bishop Carroll - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Manhattan - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
5. Colby Watters - 9 - AC - 5A
6. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
7. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
8. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
11. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
12. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
5. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
6. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
7. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
9. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
10. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
11. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
6. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
7. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
8. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
9. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
10. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
11. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A
12. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. D'ondre Davis - 10 - WH - 6A
15. Tim Wrestler - 9 - CH - 4A
16. David Petrie - 12 - BVNW - 6A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
5. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
6. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
10. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
13. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
15. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
16. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
11. Beau Hentzen - 10 - BC - 5A
12. Koty Russell - 11 - LFS - 6A
12. Lane Greenlee - 11 - GC - 6A
13. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
4. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Skyler McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A


140
1. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
3. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
4. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
7. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
8. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
10. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
6. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
7. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
8. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
9. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
10. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
12. Conner Middleton - 9 - ONW - 6A
13. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
14. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
15. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
6. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
9. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
11. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
12. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
13. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
14. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
15. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
4. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
8. Sawyer Treinen - 12 - MH - 6A
9. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
10. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
4. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
10. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
7. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
8. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
9. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
9. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A


Posted By: Scouter

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/10/08 02:40 AM

hey cheif what you think about 4a 103?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/10/08 02:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Scouter
hey cheif what you think about 4a 103?


I can tell you that Antillon, Hosey and Steele are not at 103. My top 3 at that weight are:

1. Luke Cole - AB
2. Austin Hood - LB
3. Conner Kriss - COL
Posted By: Scouter

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/10/08 02:48 AM

i dont know why might be because i saw him wrestle at kids state against my son and then at the atchison tournament but Garrett Matthews i think would be in my top 5 a freshman from royal valley he lost one on a flook error on his case had a 8-0 lead and got put in a head lock but i think he deserves more recognision then he's getting
Posted By: BLT

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/10/08 04:25 AM

I'm pretty sure Jason Harper is not going 112 this year!
He will be at 130!
Still looks very solid!
Posted By: MAS

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/10/08 02:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
3. Conner Kriss - COL


Hey Chief that Konnor Kriss
Posted By: wrestlersdad209

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/10/08 02:28 PM

is Brijin McCullough going 112 i was looking at some of the tournaments and he was at 119
Posted By: master blaster

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/10/08 02:44 PM

If it was going to happen I think it would be at the Derby tournament in Jan.
Posted By: unclejacks

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/10/08 03:36 PM

cheif you are right he doesnt have much history other than choking at state most years hes been there.. just checking because i seen him wrestle at caney and he looked pretty good
Posted By: 24/7

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/10/08 05:01 PM

What age/weight did Garrett Matthews wrestle at kids state last year? I can't find him.

***I found him he wrestled 14/85.

24/7
Posted By: Scouter

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/10/08 06:23 PM

yep he wrestled 14/85 didnt place came real close but granted He has realy devoloped some muscles in one year from what ive seen and 14 u 85 was a realy strong bracket last year and he nearly beat chris burley had a 3 point lead on him going into the 3rd and Burley ended up taking second
Posted By: RichardDSalyer

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/10/08 08:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Scouter
yep he wrestled 14/85 didnt place came real close but granted He has realy devoloped some muscles in one year from what ive seen and 14 u 85 was a realy strong bracket last year and he nearly beat chris burley had a 3 point lead on him going into the 3rd and Burley ended up taking second


14 & Under - 85
1st Place - Anthony Calderon of Southwest Grapplers
2nd Place - Chris Burley of Great Bend
3rd Place - Jace Roy of Paola
4th Place - Josh Thoele of Paola
5th Place - Michael Helms of Ark City Takedown
6th Place - Javier Vieyra of Salina Kids

14 & Under 85
Garrett Matthews
Champ. Round 1 - Garrett Matthews (Con Kids) won by major decision over Justin Twombly (Jackson County) (Maj 11-3)
Quarterfinal - Chris Burley (Great Bend) won by decision over Garrett Matthews (Con Kids) (Dec 9-6)
Cons. Round 2 - Garrett Matthews (Con Kids) won by pin over Nathan Reed (Ottawa County) (Pin 0:54)
Cons. Round 3 - Jace Roy (Paola) won by decision over Garrett Matthews (Con Kids) (Dec 6-0)
Posted By: Scouter

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/10/08 09:25 PM

Yep Thanks Richard the top 6 in that weight where all amazing Wrestlers Javier from salina only beat garrett by a few points each time they wrestled
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/11/08 12:33 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking: *SEVERAL CHANGES*


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Emporia - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Bishop Carroll - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Manhattan - 6A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
3. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
6. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
7. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
10. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A


112
1. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
6. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
7. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
9. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
10. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
12. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
13. Nathan Reed - 11 - COL - 4A
14. Francis Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
6. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
7. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
10. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
11. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
12. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A
13. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
14. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
15. D'ondre Davis - 10 - WH - 6A
16. Tim Wrestler - 9 - CH - 4A
17. David Petrie - 12 - BVNW - 6A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
5. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
6. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
10. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
13. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
14. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
15. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
16. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
17. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
11. Beau Hentzen - 10 - BC - 5A
12. Josh Hanson - 11 - BAL - 4A
13. Koty Russell - 11 - LFS - 6A
14. Lane Greenlee - 11 - GC - 6A
15. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
16. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
4. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Skylar McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A


140
1. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
3. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
6. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
7. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
8. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
9. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
11. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
7. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
8. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
9. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
10. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
11. Morgan Numrich - 11 - SC - 4A
12. Conner Middleton - 9 - ONW - 6A
13. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
14. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
15. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
6. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
9. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
11. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
12. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
13. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
14. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
15. Evon Royal 12 - JC - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
4. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
8. Sawyer Treinen - 12 - MH - 6A
9. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
10. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
5. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
9. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
4. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
10. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A
11. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
9. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A


Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/11/08 07:41 PM

Ok, I have put on my armour and I have a shield on both arms! I am ready for the jousting and spear chucking to begin!

I am tired of all of the 321A whiners out there! They want to keep their state tournament all by themselves out at Ft. Hays, they don't go to Newton, the Bobcat, Derby, KCI, Garden City, or any of the tournaments where the big schools are. Is it easier to qualify for 5A and 6A, darn sure is but it is much harder to win it! Now I know there are exceptions but for the most part 321A doesn't belong in the all class rankings. They don't wrestle in the summer, they don't go to the tournaments where the competition is tough, etc. Why am I so bent out of shape? There are more of them out there than 5A and 6a combined so they control the rule and policy making that happens under KSHSAA. They have super high teacher to student ratios which makes their education per student WAY more expensive than the bigger schools but they cry about leveling the playing field and impose regulations that push those who want to excel down! Then they get on here and cry about respect!

That is the way it is! Many of those guys are my friends and they still are as far as I am concerned but someone needed to set the record straight!
Posted By: Brian K. Patton

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/11/08 08:35 PM

We can only go were are school will let us go!
Posted By: wrestlersdad209

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 12:18 AM

i don't know chief i think ruiz should get at least ranked third at 112 last year ruiz beat darrin strout and moeder lost to him plus he took ornelas into the third overtime
Posted By: moeder

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 12:45 AM

Actually its "STROOT", and Moeder didnt lose to him, he beat him at regionals in Clearwater, but its fine with me if Ruiz is 3rd!
Posted By: Crossface King

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 01:42 AM

First of all, my student to teacher ratio is about 20 to 1 in my classroom. Secondly, our wrestlers worked out this summer twice a week, and went to the Nebraska team camp. We go to the Hays tournament, the Liberal tournament, and the Colby tournament. On top of that, we host the Holiday Classic. I also know we are not the only small school to wrestle said tournaments.
Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 02:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Brian K. Patton
We can only go were are school will let us go!


Exactly! I feel sorry for the wrestlers in 321A because they would wrestle whoever, wherever. I am not questioning their character or desire. It is the coaches and administrators that have their little networks, wrestling the same schools and the same schedule every year. I know Aaron would love the opportunity to do more. There are lots of good kids and great wrestlers in 321A that are never put into a position to prove their ALL CLASS value.


Crossface King,

Goodland just happens to be one of the largest if not the largest 321A school. I am sure if you added up your administrators and teachers and divided that number into your total number of students your ratio would be much better than Lawrence Free State High School's.

I didn't see many 321A wrestlers at FS/GR state, Southern Plains, or Fargo. It is hard to tell where to rate a wrestler when they never wrestle anyone that permits you to evaluate how good they are or could be. How many 4A, 5A, and 6A state champions were at the events you mentioned? I just listed the top tournaments available, in my opinion, and none of the ones you listed are in the top five. Newton, Derby, Bobcat, Garden City, and Blue Valley NW. These offer the best of the best in Kansas as well as some out of state competition. The BEST tournament available within the 500 mile KSHSAA barrier is the KCI Classic. It offers a serious taste of top level national competition.

Team Camps are an expensive but easy way to say your doing someting extra in the summer, jmo.
Posted By: Bill Johnson

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 02:53 AM

You sure have done your homework Cokeley (708)267-6615. You said and I quote,
"they don't go to Newton, the Bobcat, Derby, KCI, Garden City, or any of the tournaments where the big schools are."

What little 321-A school would even think they could compete at a Tourn. like the Newton TOC. It would be very difficult for a little school to run with the big dogs. I'm sure no 321A school has ever won that Tourn.(Newton) And it would be amazing if a little school could have won it two years in a row. Would 6 wrestlers in the Championship finals at Newton in one year constitute a good showing at this elite tournamnent ? Or do you have to be a 5A or 6A to make it count ?

Maybe you should study the results of some of these tournaments that you cited before making a BLANKET statement about ALL 321-A Schools.

Get back to your homework and get your facts straight. I'm sure I will hear from you again, but you will not hear from me again on this subject.
Posted By: Tom Heier

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 03:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Bill Johnson
You sure have done your homework Cokeley (708)267-6615. You said and I quote,
"they don't go to Newton, the Bobcat, Derby, KCI, Garden City, or any of the tournaments where the big schools are."

What little 321-A school would even think they could compete at a Tourn. like the Newton TOC. It would be very difficult for a little school to run with the big dogs. I'm sure no 321A school has ever won that Tourn.(Newton) And it would be amazing if a little school could have won it two years in a row. Would 6 wrestlers in the Championship finals at Newton in one year constitute a good showing at this elite tournamnent ? Or do you have to be a 5A or 6A to make it count ?

Maybe you should study the results of some of these tournaments that you cited before making a BLANKET statement about ALL 321-A Schools.

Get back to your homework and get your facts straight. I'm sure I will hear from you again, but you will not hear from me again on this subject.


Bill, this is just CRAZY TALK!! Surely, a 321A school couldn't win the Newton Tourney TWO years in a row.......or could they?????
Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 03:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Bill Johnson
You sure have done your homework Cokeley (708)267-6615. You said and I quote,
"they don't go to Newton, the Bobcat, Derby, KCI, Garden City, or any of the tournaments where the big schools are."

What little 321-A school would even think they could compete at a Tourn. like the Newton TOC. It would be very difficult for a little school to run with the big dogs. I'm sure no 321A school has ever won that Tourn.(Newton) And it would be amazing if a little school could have won it two years in a row. Would 6 wrestlers in the Championship finals at Newton in one year constitute a good showing at this elite tournamnent ? Or do you have to be a 5A or 6A to make it count ?

Maybe you should study the results of some of these tournaments that you cited before making a BLANKET statement about ALL 321-A Schools.

Get back to your homework and get your facts straight. I'm sure I will hear from you again, but you will not hear from me again on this subject.


Billy,

What is the point of putting up my phone number? It is readily available! I believe the rankings post is the ALL CLASS rankings for this year. Rankings are a reflection of what you have done lately, not old news.

103--1. Vesta, Man, def. Windham, D, 8-0; 3. Smith, SS, def. Penka, BC, 5-1.
112--1. Stokes, GE, def. Singular, CC, 11-1; 3. DeShazer, WH, def. Jones, AC, 7-3.
119--1. Jor. Keller, BC, def. Barber, DC, 14-1; 3. Rose, E, def. Rodriquez, D, 6-3.
125--1. John Keller, BC, won tech fall over Keiswetter, Nor; 3. Tovar, E, def. Hess, GE, 3-0.
130--1. Maple, WH, def. Dunham, M, 11-3; 3. Graham, AC, def. Mainz, BC, 4-1.
135--1. Crank, Hutch, def. Wagner, Man, 5-3; 3. Bainter, Nor, def. Winger, DC, 3-0.
140--1. Isenberg, GE, def. Nelson, WH, 18-14; 3. Wright, DC, def. Stephens, Col, 8-5.
145--1. Arnold, BC, pinned Miller, Man, 1:41; 3. T. Curtis, GE, def. Gaither, WNW.
152--1. Detmer, BC, won inj. def. over Ringgold, WNW; 3. Snook, D, pinned Fulbright, Maize, 2:45.
160--1. Davis, CC, def. Reinhart, D, 3-1; 3. Arnberger, Colby, def. G. Curtis, GE, 8-5.
171--1. Elliott, AC, pinned T. Kriss, Colby, 2:34; 3. Witt, L, def. Willmann, CC, 6-4.
189--1. Cotton, Hutch, pinned Long, D, 3:07; 3. Bruce, AC, def. Marrs, CC, 9-3.
215--1. N. Kriss, Colby, def. Caylor, WNW, 3-1; 3. Cole, BC, def. Patenaude, CC, 12-6.
285--1. Andrus, Man, pinned Wood, Hutch, 3:59; 3. Thomas, Norton, won inj. def. over Westmoreland, D.

Only one 321A wrestler in the finals. You guys finished 9th as the ONLY 321A school in there. I really didn't include Norton as a part of the 321A We don't get any respect whiner group but if you insist, no problem. My facts are straight and I don't really care whether I hear from you again or not. I made a comment as a generalization, a generalization you cannot dispute. There will be, as I clearly stated, exceptions.

I retract that statement, I would like to hear from you. How many will you have in the finals THIS YEAR? I am pulling for all of those kids who stepped it up and went the extra mile to get better, Zane and the kids who went with us to Iowa the past couple of years! Good luck to the Bluejays this year!
Posted By: Gary Seibel

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 03:35 AM

Norton's previous two trips to Newton's TOC resulted in two team titles and maybe a 3rd if not for bad weather prohibiting travel.
Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 03:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Gary Seibel
Norton's previous two trips to Newton's TOC resulted in two team titles and maybe a 3rd if not for bad weather prohibiting travel.


Yet and still none of those wrestlers are available to wrestle for them this year therefore they are not in the rankings. The comments are directed at those who are insistent that everyone is big school bias, specifically the Chief. I am sure that Hoxie, a few years ago, would have placed a few very high in the rankings, but not this year. At this point in time the bigger schools have the majority of studs and therefore they are getting ranked accordingly. Maybe this will fire up the little guys!
Posted By: chewie

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 03:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Cokeley



125--1. John Keller, BC, won tech fall over Keiswetter, Nor;

Not a 321A wrestler in the finals.
Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 03:44 AM

TEAM RESULTS
1-Goddard, 230.5
2-Andale, 184.5
3-Garden City, 148.5
4-Shawnee Mission East, 139
5-Santa Fe Trail, 130
6-Lansing, 122
7-Baldwin, 113.5
8-Junction City, 112.5
9-Silver Lake, 107
10-Pittsburg, 105.5
11-Glenwood (Iowa), 93
12-Paola, 92
13-Olathe North, 84
14-St. Thomas Aquinas, 76.5
15-Chapman, 76
16-Columbus, 71
17-Rossville, 68
18-Turner, 54
19-Piper, 52.5
20-Seaman, 47
21-Eudora, 44
22-Shawnee Mission West, 43
23(t)-ACCHS-Effingham, 41.5
23(t)-JC Harmon, 41.5
25-Basehor-Linwood, 35
26-Blue Valley, 34
27-Fort Scott, 31
28-Bonner Springs, 28
29-St. James Academy, 20.5
30-Lawrence Free State, 3
Results:
103:
1. Issac Ruiz JC (wdec 5-3) over Darin Stroot AND
3. Caleb Seaton BS (wdec 4-3) over Michael Provencher Rossvill
5. Dawson Elliot G ( WBF 4:46) over Cody Salzman E
7. Tyler Crotinger SFT (WBF 1:46) over Austin Haake PITT
112:
1. Alan Callahan (wdec 9-3) over Colton Eck AND
3. Symon Seaton BL (WBF 1:46) over Kevin Taylor SL
5. Colt McElroy GC (wdec 4-1) over Logan Rotha G
7. Jason Seifert ON ( W- MajDec 19-5) over Hunter Garrett SEA
119:
1. Sharky Slyter PA ( wdec 6-2) over Collin Hase SL
3. Derrick Weller P ( wdec 7-3) over Ryne Cokeley SJA
5. Nick Rockhold B (w-dec) over Parker Madl BV
7. Tyler Maxwell GLEN (wdec 9-2) over Josh Neal ON
125:
1. Trent Cox AND (wdec 11-2) over Connor McCarthy STA
3. Brett Lamar Sl (wdec 11-4) over Lane Greenlee GC
5. RJ Riedel T (wbf 1:34) over Spencer Blew L
7. David Schrunk SME (wdec 11-6) over Mitch Mosely PA
130:
1. Kevin Callahan B (wdec 9-4) over Jake Zahm PIT
3. Jaime Quintanar GC ( Wdec 6-2) over JT Kozlowski JC
5. Kyle Wichman SL ( WBF 2:52) over Dustin Hill SFT
7. Dillon Scanlon L ( Wdec 13-9) over Ethan Young SMW
135:
1. C.J. Napier COL ( wdec 7-4) over Mitch Means G
3. Daniel Gonzalez (wdec 8-2) over Matt Noblet PA
5. Ryan Weaver SFT (w-majdec 13-3) over J.C. Jiminez JC
7. Tanner Johnson SME ( W- majdec 13-0) over Nick Uphoff GLEN
140:
1. Tyler Caldwell G ( wdec 11-2) over Phillip Henes STA
3. Joey Lutz SME (wdec 5-4) over Michael Arellano GC
5. Travis Clarke E ( Wdec 7-1) over Blake Cox FS
7. Jason Langford T( wdec 7-1) over Chase Wells SFT
145:
1. Ryan Houlden G ( wdec 7-2) over Joey Dozier GC
3. Benny Armstrong AND ( wdec 7-6) over Dillon Charland JC
5. Jordan Noll ACCHS (w-majdec 13-1) over Buzz Hermreck PA
7. Tyler Baughman L ( WBF 1:59) over Daniel Blair PITT
152:
1. Brent Fisher G ( wdec 6-5) over Nick Flynn L
3. Jess Lemon C ( wdec 8-5) over Willie Eck AND
5. Brad Sommerfeldt PITT ( wdec 4-2) over Evon Royal JC
7. Moses Padilla GC (w-majdec 8-0) over Jason Leutzinger GLEN
160:
1. Sam Thoman AND (wdec 6-5) over Brandon Bonewell G
3. Grant Hinkley L ( wdec 4-3) over Jordan Brown PITT
5. Jeff Childs JC ( DFLT) over Cody Provance C
7. Bryson Conaway SEA (wdec 4-3) over Patrick Harris T
171:
1. Tyler Koehn PITT ( WBF) over William Bowles HARM
3. Gabe Mason B ( wdec 5-3) over David Blazevic T
5. Noel Richardson C ( wdec 7-2) over Kenton Kloster SME
7. Blake Nelson FS (w-majdec 17-3) over Steven Cooksley SEA
189:
1. Matt Baker SME (w-majdec 11-0) over Andrew Davis GLEN
3. Roman Villegas G ( wdec 10-8) over Chris Ewing SFT
5. Jace Banner GC ( wbf 2:51) over Jason Mellies SL
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7. Jarad Sanches SMW( WBF 2:00) over Evan Meyers E
215:
1. Jaker Kober SFT (dec 14-1) over Josh Hicks G
3. Jason Leverman GLEN (w-majdec 15-3) over Joe Bauswell P
5. Andrew Collingwood SME ( wdec 5-1) over Tyler Strouhal L
7. Andrew Greenwood COL ( DFLT) over Mitchel Bean GC
285:
1. Duane Zlatnik R ( WBF) over B.J. Finney AND
3. Lucas Vincent ON( WBF 0:43) over Nick Langford HARM
5. Jacob Nowak STA ( wdec 8-5) over Kevin Osmulski C
7. Dwayne Lee SEA ( wdec 3-1) over Dennis Jilka SME

Silver Lake 9th
Only 1 321A Finalist
Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 03:47 AM

Derby Invitational
Team Results
1. Bishop Carroll 244.5; 2. Goddard 190; 3. Derby 187.5; 4. Ark City 122.5; 5. Pittsburgh 106.5; 6. Heights 103;
7. Emporia 101; 7. Shawnee Heights 101; 9. Blue Valley North 93.5; 10. Great Bend 79; 11. Rose Hill 57; 12.
Winfield 55; 13. Putnam City West 50.5; 14. South 46; 15. El Dorado 36; 16. Wellington 9.
Individual Results
103--1. Penka, BC, def. Windham, Dby; 3. Elliot, GD, def. Snyder, PCW.
112--1. DeShazier, Hts, def. Z. Tanenbaum, BVN; 3. Jones, AC, def. Rotha, GD.
119--1. Jor. Keller, BC, def. Rose, Emp; 3. Sparr, RH, def. Biddle, AC.
125--1. Joh. Keller, BC, def. McCormick, BVN; 3. Hoag, AC, def. Tovar, Emp.
130--1. Maple, Hts, def. J. Tenenbaum, BVN; 3. Graham, AC, def. Zahm, Pitt.
135--1. Means, GD, def. Livengood, BVN; 3. Dikin, Emp, def. Hentzen, BC.
140--1. Nelson, Hts, def. Houlden, GD; 3. Harding, Wfld, def. Prewitt, Dby.
145--1. Arnold, BC, def. Caldwell, GD; 3. Blair, Pitt, def. Anderson, RH.
152--1. Detmer, BC, def. Fisher, GD; 3. Tapia, Wfld, def. Gleson, GB.
160--1. Rosenhamer, BC, def. Brown, Pitt; 3. Reinhart, Dby, def. Riojas, AC.
171--1. Elliot, AC, def. Koehn, Pitt; 3. Chadd, BC, def. Felldkamp, Dby.
189--1. Long, Dby, def. Bruce, AC; 3. Villegas, GD, def. Yeargain, PCW.
215--1. Hicks, GD, def. Cole, BC; 3. Downs, Dby, def. Calovich, SH.
285--1.Disney, SH, def. Westmoreland, Dby; 3. Roman, GB, def. Smith, RH.
5th Place Matches
103
5. B McCullough ws 10-0 N Colbert BVN
112
5. M Carado Pitt 6-1 T Reinhart Der
119
5. D Rodriguez Der 5-2 T Gentry SH
125
5. T Houlden Godd 7-6 N Schwager GB
130
5. J Mainz BC 3-1 C Sanchez Emp
135
5. V Oliver Win pin 2:28 C Rickabaugh Sh
140
5. Z Peak Emp 5-1 J.D.Martinez PCW
145
A Willis SH Dflt L Cortez Eld
5.
152
5. C Snook Der pin 2:54 B Sommerfeldt Pitt
160
5. T Flores WS 6-1 C Mason SH
171
5. B Craft Eld 2-1 C Brandon WS
189
5. A Elson GB pin 2:43 L Hirschler BC
215
5. H Johnson 2-1 J Rodriguez Emp
275
5. T Marquez BC 3-2 L Serma Emp

No 321A Teams
Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 03:50 AM

1. Rio Rancho Rams 190.00
2. Ponderosa Mustangs 189.50
3. Liberal Redskins 177.00
4. Roosevelt Rough Riders 144.00
5. Andale Indians 142.00
6. Garden City Buffaloes 134.00
7. Scott City Beavers 123.00
8. Canyon-Randal Raiders 112.00
9. LaJunta Tigers 100.00
10. Emporia Spartans 94.00
11. Lamar Savages 89.00
12. Great Bend Panthers 73.00
12. (tie) Maize Eagles 73.00
14. Canon City Tigers 68.50
15. Sand Creek Scorpions 55.00
16. Dodge City Demons 53.00
17. Olathe South Falcons 44.00
18. Ulysses Tigers 37.00
19. Basehor-Linwood Bobcats 36.00
20. St. James Academy 31.00
21. Holcomb Longhorns 20.00
22. Hays Indians 19.00
23. Hugoton Eagles 16.00
24. Lawrence Free State Firebirds 7.00
103
1st Darin Stroot Andale dec 3-0 Adrian Salas LIB
3rd Kurtis Romero LAJ dec 4-1 Josh Jaime LAM
5th Jake Williams RIO dec 12-7 Colby Witten MZE
112
1st Victor Dotson CR dec 7-0 Symon Seaton BL
3rd Ralph Salas LIB dec 8-4 Colt McElroy GC
5th Jabez Zinabu MZE dec OT Colton Eck AND
119
1st Ryne Cokeley SJA pinned Jesse Barber DC
3rd Ross Leyba LAJ pinned Chaz Lawrence OS
5th Nick Schwager GB dec 8-1 Tyrel George SC
125
1st Louis Trujillo RIO dec 10-4 Zeke Hofer PON
3rd Trent Cox AND maj dec 9-1 Sal Tovar EMP
5th Dominique Lujan OS dec 6-2 Dillon Stucky SC
130
1st Chris Rubalcaba RIO dec 2-1Dan Frank RR
3rd Steven Kelly PON dec 8-5 Tim Dunham MZE
5th Jamie Quintanar GC dflt Tommy Ketchum LAJ
135
1st Philip Gallegos LAJ dec 4-3 Daniel Gonzalez GC
3rd Austin Gabel PON maj dec 12-4 Austin Gabel PON
5th Martin Overfield RIO pinned Sam McDaniel SC
140
1st Max Ortega RIO dec 6-3 Jake Snider PON
3rd Michael Arellano GC pinned Chris Wright DC
5th Morgan Numrich SC maj dec 15-5 Austin Blanchat AND
145
1st Daniel Kelly PON maj dec 9-1 Joey Dozier GC
3rd Benny Armstrong AND maj dec 12-4 Dakota Hayes SC
5th Josh Rodriguez ULY maj dec 11-2 Nick Urban RR
152
1st Brandon Montoya RR dec 7-4 Slade Giesen GB
3rd Jace Bennet CR dec 10-4 Tyler Sutherland LIB
5th Derek Newell ULY pinned Willie Eck AND
160
1st Sam Thoman AND dec 7-2 Chaston Hoeme SC
3rd Jeff Plumb RR dec 2-1 Phillip Merwin LAJ
5th Derek Good PON pinned Cory Takaki SND
171
1st Paul Cabbage RIO dec 5-0 Nathan Heuer RR
3rd Brandon Bourn MZE dec 7-4 Logan Numrich SC
5th Armando Gomez LIB dec 4-3 Connor Cambern CR
189
1st Nate Davis LIB dec 4-2 Joseph Flores CR
3rd Mark Kolmer EMP dec 4-3
5th Justin Hayden CC dflt Jace Banner GC
215
1st Joe Bach LIB maj dec 13-3 Jake Ottmann PON
3rd Howard Johnson GB dec 12-8 Rico Garcia CC
5th Brandon Vaughn LAM dec 6-3 Ryan Bass EMP
285
1st Taylor Stam PON beat Josh Rodriguez EMP
3rd Ray Hatchett SND beat Ricky Gomez LIB
5thA.C. Crespin RIO beat Edgar Roman GB

Scott City 7th Highest 321A Placer
One 321A Finalist
Posted By: Harry LaMar

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 03:54 AM

Will, Will, Will. Now I cant take it anymore. It really gets old when you continuously dog on people that have built up a tremendous body of work in the sport of wrestling. People that have dedicated a large portion of their lives to the sport. People that believe in God, Family, and Wrestling and sometimes not in that order!
Individuals that have "saved" dozens or maybe even hundreds of kids through the years. People that have earned respect from the wrestling community. People that have changed rules, and made the sport better in Kansas through years of hard work. People that understand the system and how it works and how it can be changed. These are people that have earned respect through a body of work. They have Coached, went to Board meetings, went to parents homes, went to camps, sacrificed time energy and money for the sport and for many kids for many years. I could go on and on. As far as I know, you are not one of those people! You simply throw stuff out there without a viable solution. Start you own body of work, earn some respect then you can join the "fraternity" that you hate so. Like Billy, said. End of discussion on this format. And if you want to talk about it we will see you at the Basehor Inv.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 04:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Harry LaMar
They have Coached, went to Board meetings, went to parents homes, went to camps, sacrificed time energy and money for the sport and for many kids for many years. I could go on and on. As far as I know, you are not one of those people! You simply throw stuff out there without a viable solution. Start you own body of work, earn some respect.


Harry,

You don't know Will if you think he hasn't coached, went to board meetings, went to parents homes, went to camps or sacrificed time and money for the sport. I can't name anyone that is currently doing more for Kansas wrestling than him. His threads on this forum are filled with viable solutions.

As for the bias, why would I have a bias against any class? I have received hundreds of posts, pm's, e-mails and phone calls with valuable input on head-to heads and like opponents that have contributed to the integrity of the rankings. The main point of Will's posts have centered on the fact that the 321A schools have less weighted criteria than those schools that battle with the top ranked teams each year. Virtually every national ranking publication relies on the results of the biggest stages and my All-Class ranking is no exception.

It is simple. I have made it very clear. If you have any input that would enhance the accuracy of the rankings, state your case. If a 321A wrestler had criteria over a large class wrestler, I would gladly rank him higher. Why wouldn't I? It's a simple case of "who have you wrestled"? The bottom line is, you can't just claim a bias without also providing examples!

Posted By: rassler

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 04:15 AM

As I read the posts on this thread and other threads on these forums I have come to the conclusion that the "Fraternity" as Mr. Lamar calls it has grown old and stale. I see no ideas from these people on how to improve wrestling and grow this great sport. They just want everything to stay the same. Mr.Cokeley has done more for the kids wrestling in Kansas than the rest of you combined. Maybe you did at one time but it seems as if you have grown fat and lazy and now have trouble getting out of your lazyboys. The all class rankings look about right,If the 321A schools want more respect then earn it, wrestle at the big tournaments, encourage your kids to wrestle in the summer, and please stop whining about getting no respect.
Posted By: Crossface King

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 06:07 AM

I do not take offense to these rankings, they are fun to read and help me gain knowledge of different wrestlers from around the state. Nor do I care about the politics of wrestling in Kansas. I would love to see a Grand State and a State dual tournament. However, I have no control over these situations.
Mr Cokeley your passion for the sport is to be commended, and I hope you continue to promote our sport and write on this forum. I usually do not agree with you, but I enjoy your willingness to share your thoughts.
As a teacher and coach, I do my best to train tough wrestlers, and individuals who carry that toughness into all aspects of their life's. I will continue to find ways to educate the wrestlers both in the classroom and on the mat. I will encourage them to find time between harvests to seek out the toughest wrestlers, while at the same time remebering that success in a program goes beyond the number of state champions produced.
Daily progress is our motto, and I am proud to say our wrestlers embody the motto in the truest sense.
As far as comparing schools, each school has their own unique situations, and each of them have good points to their arguments concerning the issue of State Wrestling and winter sports in general. I hope we continue to move the sports forward, while not alienating all of the kids that put in their time on the mat, win or lose. They definitley are a part of our wrestling family and deserve our respect.
Posted By: Harry LaMar

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/12/08 02:53 PM

Eric, I made no reference to rankings in that statement. I will let you know if I can assist you with ranking information.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/14/08 04:20 AM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking: *SEVERAL CHANGES*


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Emporia - 5A
6. Bishop Carroll - 5A
7. Lansing - 5A
8. Liberal - 5A
9. Smith Center - 321A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Manhattan - 6A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
3. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
6. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
7. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
10. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A


112
1. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
6. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
7. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
9. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
10. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
12. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
13. Nathan Reed - 11 - COL - 4A
14. Francis Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
4. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
5. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
6. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
7. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
8. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
10. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A
11. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
12. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
13. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
14. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
15. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
16. D'ondre Davis - 10 - WH - 6A
17. Tim Wrestler - 9 - CH - 4A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
5. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
6. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
10. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
11. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
12. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
13. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
14. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
15. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
11. Beau Hentzen - 10 - BC - 5A
12. Josh Hanson - 11 - BAL - 4A
13. Lane Greenlee - 11 - GC - 6A
14. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
15. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
4. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Skylar McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
6. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
7. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
8. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
9. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
11. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
7. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
8. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
9. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
10. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
11. Morgan Numrich - 11 - SC - 4A
12. Conner Middleton - 9 - ONW - 6A
13. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
14. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
15. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
4. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
5. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
7. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
8. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
10. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
11. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
12. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
13. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
14. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
15. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
16. Evon Royal - 11 - JC - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
4. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
8. Sawyer Treinen - 12 - MH - 6A
9. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
10. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB
3. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
4. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
10. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
6. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
7. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
8. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
9. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
9. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
11. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
9. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A
11. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A


Posted By: coach craig

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/14/08 03:00 PM

275--Marquez, BC, dec. Heithaus 5-2

This happened Thursday.

Coach Craig Adams
CJW
Posted By: think gold

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/14/08 03:58 PM

152 Evon Royal is a junior not a senior
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/14/08 08:44 PM

Originally Posted By: coach craig
275--Marquez, BC, dec. Heithaus 5-2

This happened Thursday.

Coach Craig Adams
CJW


This one is interesting. What do you do with Vincent pinning Marquez and Marquez beating Heithaus?
Posted By: thebest

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/14/08 10:36 PM

I know what to do put BJ Finney as 1 and Heithaus as 2 then vincent and marquez as 3 and 4. Since vincent is 0 and life agaisnt Heithaus and Finney tech pinned vincent last year at bobcat.You counld even make a case for marquez as 3 since the ref didn't want to call the pin in the vincent and marquez match.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/14/08 10:53 PM

I saw the Vincent/Marquez match and Lucas fought it off. It was the right call. I also saw the Finney/Vincent match as well as Heithaus/Vincent. All said, I am most likely standing pat on the 1-2-3 and adding Marquez to the rankings.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/14/08 11:15 PM


Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/14/08 11:16 PM



Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/14/08 11:16 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking: *SEVERAL CHANGES*


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Emporia - 5A
6. Bishop Carroll - 5A
7. Lansing - 5A
8. Liberal - 5A
9. Smith Center - 321A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Manhattan - 6A
10t. Wichita Northwest - 6A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
3. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
6. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
7. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A


112
1. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
6. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
7. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
9. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
10. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
12. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
13. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
14. Nathan Reed - 11 - COL - 4A
15. Francis Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A


119
1. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
6. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
11. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
12. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
13. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
14. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
15. D'ondre Davis - 10 - WH - 6A
16. Tim Wrestler - 9 - CH - 4A


125
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
5. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
6. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
10. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
11. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
12. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
13. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
14. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
15. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Beau Hentzen - 10 - BC - 5A
13. Josh Hanson - 11 - BAL - 4A
14. Lane Greenlee - 11 - GC - 6A
15. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
16. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
4. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Skylar McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
6. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
7. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
8. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
9. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
11. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
12. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
7. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
8. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
9. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
10. Morgan Numrich - 11 - SC - 4A
11. Conner Middleton - 9 - ONW - 6A
12. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
13. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
14. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
15. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
4. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
5. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
7. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
8. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
10. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
11. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
12. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
13. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
14. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
15. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
16. Evon Royal - 11 - JC - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
4. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
5. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Sawyer Treinen - 12 - MH - 6A
8. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
9. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB
3. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
4. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
10. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
6. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
7. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A
9. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
9. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
11. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
10. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
11. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A

Posted By: moeder

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 12:28 AM

Chief - At 112lbs., talking about someone under the radar;
Bo Newport would place well ahead of numerous wrestlers listed.
Watched him give Ornelas a great battle this weekend, and sounded like he was right in the match with Callahan as well.
Posted By: wrestlingparents

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 12:42 AM

Originally Posted By: thebest
I know what to do put BJ Finney as 1 and Heithaus as 2 then vincent and marquez as 3 and 4. Since vincent is 0 and life agaisnt Heithaus and Finney tech pinned vincent last year at bobcat.You counld even make a case for marquez as 3 since the ref didn't want to call the pin in the vincent and marquez match.


Vincent was in a choke hold against Marquez that was called after over 20 seconds being in it...he has the retina injury to prove it and he still fought it off.
Posted By: resslnfan

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 01:53 AM

Chief, you're doing a great job. Oldtimer wrestling information junkies such as myself are very impressed with where we are at today. To help keep your info on the cutting edge I offer this - Noel Richardson of Chapman has been wrestling 171 all season. He is a fine young man, respectful of others, and a very hard worker with multiple quality wins already this season. Keep up the good work and maintain your thick skin with integrity.
Posted By: thebest

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 01:27 PM

How can you have retina injury from being choked out? Also I saw the match it wasn't a illegal hold until Marquez decided to change his postion on top and it was called right away. The air way wasn't cut off long enough to have a injury from it.
Posted By: wrestlingparents

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 01:46 PM

Tell that to Dr. King Lee, a retina specialist that he was rushed to from his eye doctor after losing vision in his eye. I bet he would be interested in your diagnosis.
Posted By: BLT

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 02:08 PM

Chief,
I watch the 215 pound class. I am a big fan but certainly not an expert. Why does Josh Hicks continue to drop in that ranking? He started out as 3rd and has dropped all the way to 7th without a loss to any of these guys. I only know of one loss for him this year (and that was to an OK kid) and he has actually beat ranked wrestlers (Cole). I know some 189 pound guys have moved up and Caylor is the big dog but why rank the 189 pounders over this guy. Also, (and this is not meant disrespectfully) but where did Jake Woten come from? I did not see him in any of your early rankings and then poof, there he is.

Again, Im not the expert you guys are, I just was trying to understand the logic!
Posted By: ZeezDAD

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 04:04 PM

Cheif you may want to put Cole Zoglman from Garden Plain in the mix at 145. I know he wasn't out last year, but he still is one of the top wrestlers in the state.
Posted By: doug747

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 04:50 PM

I see Harry Lamar must have erased his statement about Cokeley not producing a "body of work" like Harry apparently has. I had seen it earlier this morning, and only now had time to try to find it and see if I read what I thought I read.

Just to add to Cokeley's "body of work". This weekend he somehow or another put together 4 Kansas teams for the Park Hill Duals. Guess how many Cokeley boys were taking part? Yep, you guessed it, zero.

Thanks for all you do Cokeley.
Posted By: Magnum811

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 05:41 PM

Tom,

I think you are misunderstanding Dougs post. He is stating Coke's hard work for KS kids, even though his kids aren't directly involved with the PH dual, as he did with MSD last year.

Matt
Posted By: GT Williams

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 05:44 PM

My bad. I know Doug and he is a great guy. I deleted the post, I think.
Posted By: Jess Keith

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 06:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
Originally Posted By: coach craig
275--Marquez, BC, dec. Heithaus 5-2

This happened Thursday.

Coach Craig Adams
CJW


This one is interesting. What do you do with Vincent pinning Marquez and Marquez beating Heithaus?



Cheif,

Marquez, BC beat Finny last year and Heithaus Thurs. don,t you think Marquez should be 2nd and at worst case 3rd in all class ranking? Just checking here! I sure can't see him ranked as low as you have him.

Jess Keith
Posted By: unclejacks

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 06:54 PM

i belive
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 07:06 PM

I hear you Jess. Let me re-think that one. I know Tony is tough. His 12 losses last year had me hung up. I know I can't put him #2, with the Heithaus/Vincent history and Finney has criteria over Lucas. It's not easy man!
Posted By: thebest

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 07:19 PM

Well what you could do is keep one and two then have a tie for 3 since they all have something over each other. However Finney did beat Heithaus last year at the maize tournament I believe
Posted By: WrestlingFan14

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 07:33 PM

BLT,
Jake Woten was thought to be a heavyweight at the beginning of the year, but is actually a 215 pounder. He was the State Runner Up last year losing to Caylor 3-1. He beat Hicks in the semi's 3-0.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 08:20 PM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking: *SEVERAL CHANGES*


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Wichita Heights - 6A
3. Derby - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Emporia - 5A
6. Bishop Carroll - 5A
7. Lansing - 5A
8. Liberal - 5A
9. Smith Center - 321A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Wichita Northwest - 6A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
3. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
6. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
7. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A


112
1. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
6. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
7. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
9. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
10. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
12. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
13. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
14. Nathan Reed - 11 - COL - 4A
15. Francis Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A


119
1. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
6. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
11. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. D'ondre Davis - 10 - WH - 6A
15. Riley Soward - 9 - HAL - 321A
16. Tim Wrestler - 9 - CH - 4A


125
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
5. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
6. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
10. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
11. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
12. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
13. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
14. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
15. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
11. Beau Hentzen - 10 - BC - 5A
12. Josh Hanson - 11 - BAL - 4A
13. Lane Greenlee - 11 - GC - 6A
14. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
15. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
4. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Skylar McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
10. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
6. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
7. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
8. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
9. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
11. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
12. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
7. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
8. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
9. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
10. Morgan Numrich - 11 - SC - 4A
11. Conner Middleton - 9 - ONW - 6A
12. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
13. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
14. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
15. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
4. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
5. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
7. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
8. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
10. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
11. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
12. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
13. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
14. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
15. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
16. Evon Royal - 11 - JC - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
4. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
5. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Sawyer Treinen - 12 - MH - 6A
8. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
9. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB
3. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
4. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
10. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
6. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
7. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A
9. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
9. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
11. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
10. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
11. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A



Posted By: wrestlingparents

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 09:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
I hear you Jess. Let me re-think that one. I know Tony is tough. His 12 losses last year had me hung up. I know I can't put him #2, with the Heithaus/Vincent history and Finney has criteria over Lucas. It's not easy man!


While Finney did beat Vincent last year, Vincent beat him the year before....it is a tough call! Since they are tied 1-1 this year at Bob Cat should be good!
Posted By: master blaster

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 09:22 PM

I believe all four wrestlers will have a chance at each other as the year goes on, it will be nice to have the best in the state from 3 different classes settle it on the mat. Since 3 of the four are juniors should make for some quality match ups for next year as well.
Posted By: wrestlingparents

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 09:27 PM

I agree master. Heavyweight may not be as great as the past couple of years with Disney, Zlantic and Big Steve, but all these boys are still pretty good.
Posted By: bigfatwrestler

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 11:19 PM

Tyler Davis is at 145 isn't he?
Posted By: Navy Bratz

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 11:41 PM

119 rankings, Cook from SV lost to Miller at Hesston Tourney, Soward (9th) Halstead, beat Miller and took 1st.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 11:48 PM

Originally Posted By: bigfatwrestler
Tyler Davis is at 145 isn't he?


Good call. I'll move him up.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/15/08 11:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Navy Bratz
119 rankings, Cook from SV lost to Miller at Hesston Tourney, Soward (9th) Halstead, beat Miller and took 1st.


Got it. Thanks.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/16/08 12:05 AM

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Wichita Heights - 6A
3. Derby - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Emporia - 5A
6. Bishop Carroll - 5A
7. Lansing - 5A
8. Liberal - 5A
9. Smith Center - 321A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Wichita Northwest - 6A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
3. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
6. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
7. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Codie Dean - 11 - VC - 5A
9. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A


112
1. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
6. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
7. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
9. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
10. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
12. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
13. Nathan Reed - 11 - COL - 4A
14. Francis Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A
15. Jack Wenzell - 12 - WN - 6A


119
1. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
6. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
11. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. D'ondre Davis - 10 - WH - 6A
15. Riley Soward - 9 - HAL - 321A
16. Tim Wrestler - 9 - CH - 4A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
6. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
7. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
8. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
9. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
10. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
11. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
12. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
13. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
14. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 4A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Beau Hentzen - 10 - BC - 5A
13. Josh Hanson - 11 - BAL - 4A
14. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
4. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
5. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Skylar McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
7. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
8. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
9. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
4. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
7. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
8. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
9. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
11. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
12. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
7. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
8. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
9. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
10. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
11. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
12. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
13. Morgan Numrich - 11 - SC - 4A
14. Conner Middleton - 9 - ONW - 6A
15. James Mullin - 12 - MV - 6A
16. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
17. Jake Walker - 11 - STA


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
4. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
5. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
7. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
8. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
10. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
11. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
12. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
13. Eric Grant - 12 - ON
14. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
15. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
16. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
17. Evon Royal - 11 - JC - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
4. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
5. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Sawyer Treinen - 12 - MH - 6A
8. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
9. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
11. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A


171
1. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB
3. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
4. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
10. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
6. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
7. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A
9. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
9. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
11. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
10. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
11. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A

Posted By: wrestlingman1

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/16/08 01:03 AM

RILEN DALKE AT 130!!!! I SEE HIM BEING IN THE TOP THREE AT 5A STATE;
Posted By: think gold

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/16/08 02:59 AM

152-Evon Royal-16 defeated Jake Walker-12 at kids state this year so maybe just some rethinking for ya chief
Posted By: RJW1

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/16/08 03:56 AM

I think Keegan Smith (Goodland) beat Jimmy Stults (Valley Center) this weekend at the Eagle Invite.
Posted By: RJW1

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/16/08 04:03 AM

I think Lane Greenlee of Garden City wrestled 125 all weekend at the Eagle Invite.
Posted By: RJW1

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/16/08 04:10 AM

Some Interesting Things at 112 at the Eagle Invite:

112 M. Sikorski (PC) 7-1 F. Antillon (SC)
112 M. Sikorski (PC) WBF A. Salas (LB)
112 F. Antillon (SC) 7-6 OT A. Salas (LB)
112 N. Reed (C) 5-4 M. Sikorski (PC)
Posted By: RJW1

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/16/08 04:14 AM

According to the results website from the Eagle Invite:

103 C. Dean (VC) 6-5 C Ceman (PB)
103 K. Kriss (C) 6-2 C. Dean (VC)
Posted By: Crossface King

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/16/08 04:17 AM

Keegan Smith won the match 4-2 ( He was voted the OW for pool C). The dual between Goodland and Valley Center was a nail bitter, with the outcome not known until the final match was wrestled. Hats off to both teams, the wrestlers left it all out on the mat.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/16/08 04:46 AM

Originally Posted By: BLT
Chief,
I watch the 215 pound class. I am a big fan but certainly not an expert. Why does Josh Hicks continue to drop in that ranking? He started out as 3rd and has dropped all the way to 7th without a loss to any of these guys. I only know of one loss for him this year (and that was to an OK kid) and he has actually beat ranked wrestlers (Cole). I know some 189 pound guys have moved up and Caylor is the big dog but why rank the 189 pounders over this guy. Also, (and this is not meant disrespectfully) but where did Jake Woten come from? I did not see him in any of your early rankings and then poof, there he is.

Again, Im not the expert you guys are, I just was trying to understand the logic!


Here you go...

Woten beat Hicks in the semis at State and had started the year at 285. He made 215 and he was added to the 215 ranking ahead of Hicks. Jacob Nowak started the year at 189 after finishing 41-8 last year at 285 while placing 3rd at State. He is now back at 215 to stay. Those credentials also put him ahead of Hicks. Nothing that Josh is doing, it just got more crowded. As for Davis and Kriss... Nate went 35-6 last year and placed 3rd at 189. Kriss went 36-4 and placed 4th at State.

I am a big fan of Josh Hicks. He was on our National Middle School team and destroyed everybody he wrestled. I expect big things from him this year and would not be surprised to see him back in the top 3.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/19/08 12:20 PM

2008-09 All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Bishop Carroll - 5A
4. Wichita Heights - 6A
5. Derby - 6A
6. Clay Center - 4A
7. Lansing - 5A
8. Liberal - 5A
9. Smith Center - 321A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Andale - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
3. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
4. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
5. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
6. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
7. Codie Dean - 11 - VC - 5A
8. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Colby Witten - 9 - MZ - 6A


112
1. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
6. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
7. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
9. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
10. Jack Wenzell - 12 - WN - 6A
11. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
12. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
13. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
14. Nathan Reed - 11 - COL - 4A
15. Francis Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A


119
1. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC
4. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
5. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
6. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
11. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. D'ondre Davis - 10 - WH - 6A
15. Riley Soward - 9 - HAL - 321A
16. Tim Wrestler - 9 - CH - 4A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
8. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
9. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
10. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
11. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
12. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
13. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
14. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 4A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Beau Hentzen - 10 - BC - 5A
13. Josh Hanson - 11 - BAL - 4A
14. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
4. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
5. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Skylar McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
7. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
8. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
9. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
5. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
6. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
7. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
11. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
12. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
13. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
9. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
10. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
12. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
13. Morgan Numrich - 11 - SC - 4A
14. Pat Cervantes - 11 - BM - 5A
15. Conner Middleton - 9 - ONW - 6A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
6. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
9. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
11. Eric Grant - 12 - ON
12. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
13. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
14. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
15. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
5. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
6. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
7. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
8. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
9. Sawyer Treinen - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
12. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
13. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A


171
1. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB
2. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
4. Josh VanHolland - 12 - MV - 5A
5. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
10. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
6. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
7. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
9. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
11. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
10. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
11. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A
Posted By: ZeezDAD

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/19/08 12:24 PM

Hey Chief

Zahorsky will be wrestling 140 the rest of the year. He was giving up a little to much weight at 145.
Posted By: Buster84

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/19/08 12:47 PM

Chief,
I have noticed that you have ranked Linwood Peoples near the top of 140 pounds. I have read earlier posts about him, but they do not provide much information. I was wondering about his history and the criteria you used to rank him so high when others in the weight have history, albeit at different weights(Freestyle/Greco wrestling & state placings). I'm sure he's a fantastic wrestler.

Also for what it's worth Cade Blair is the reigning State Champ at 135. With so many wrestlers in this ranking coming from various 2007-2008 weights (119-145) he may deserve the #1 ranking until someone beats him.

As always, I really enjoy your rankings and it makes the time go by faster for me here in Afghanistan. Thanks.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/19/08 02:25 PM

Hey Rodney!

God's protection for you in Afghanistan. We are free because of the brave!

140 has become more interesting. The depth was not there until Parker, Linwood and Joey moved there. My thoughts on the top of the rankings are this:

Parker Madl and Cade Blair are basically a toss-up in my opinion. The change in position was due to a few basic differences. If I can't decide between two wrestlers, their year-round wrestling accomplishments break the tie.

Parker Madl:

1. Tech falled Kyle Ash and beat the Florida State Champion on his way to All-American status at Fargo.
2. Took 4th place at the USA Folkstyle Nationals, losing only to the OW and the 2nd place kid.


Cade Blair had a fantastic State tournament and should repeat in 5A. Many National rankings have Parker Madl ranked higher than both Cody Shavlik and Cade. WUSA Magazine had Madl #11, Shavlik #23 and Blair was HM in their ranking of Sophomores.

Linwood Peoples on the other hand is certainly not as credentialed. He has had some great matches with Phillip Henes as well as Tyler Caldwell in past years. We should see him and Parker in the Final of JOCO tomorrow night.

It would not surprise me to see any of the wrestlers mentioned beat each other. It's part of what makes the rankings fun!

Keep in touch!
Posted By: Buster84

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/19/08 02:32 PM

Thanks Chief! I appreciate the information.
Posted By: jdoll

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/19/08 11:48 PM

How do the 321A wrestlers in the all class drop in the rankings if they hardly ever wrestler any kids from 4 to 6A? Sure they may be descent but thats just wrestling against the same 321A kids at almost every tourney.
Posted By: gottarazzle

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/20/08 02:37 AM

Wasn't that an amazing call the ref made in the Stults/Keagan match at Colby? I've played a role in wrestling in some fashion for over 25 years and never seen an uncontrolled reverse AND 2 back points all in the last 3 secs of a match. Not taking away from either wrestler. They are both pretty good.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 12:55 AM

2008-09 All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Bishop Carroll - 5A
4. Derby - 6A
5. Wichita Heights - 6A
6. Clay Center - 4A
7. Lansing - 5A
8. Liberal - 5A
9. Smith Center - 321A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Andale - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
3. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
6. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
7. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Codie Dean - 11 - VC - 5A
9. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
10. Colby Witten - 9 - MZ - 6A


112
1. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
6. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
7. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
9. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
10. Jack Wenzell - 12 - WN - 6A
11. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
12. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
13. Nathan Reed - 11 - COL - 4A
14. Francis Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A


119
1. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC
4. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
5. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
6. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
11. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. D'ondre Davis - 10 - WH - 6A
14. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
15. Riley Soward - 9 - HAL - 321A
16. Tim Wrestler - 10 - CH - 4A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
8. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
9. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
10. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
11. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
13. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
14. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 4A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
13. Beau Hentzen - 10 - BC - 5A
14. Josh Hanson - 11 - BAL - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
4. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
5. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Skylar McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
7. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
8. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
9. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
5. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
6. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
7. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
8. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
9. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
11. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
12. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
13. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
5. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
6. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
7. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
8. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
9. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
10. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
12. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
13. Morgan Numrich - 11 - SC - 4A
14. Pat Cervantes - 11 - BM - 5A
15. Conner Middleton - 9 - ONW - 6A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
6. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
9. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
11. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
12. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
13. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
14. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
5. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
6. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
7. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
8. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
9. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
11. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A


171
1. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
4. Josh VanHolland - 12 - MV - 5A
5. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
10. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
6. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
7. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
9. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
11. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
5. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
9. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A
Posted By: Beeson

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 01:37 AM

Chief,

Colby Watters is now at 103.
Posted By: back in the day

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 02:21 AM

Any Results from Jordan Brown at 152?
Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 05:01 AM

Jordan finished 2nd at 160 in the Claremore, OK tournament this past weekend.
Posted By: jamelleragas

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 07:14 AM

cheif where do you put tyler gjerstad in the 285 rankings?
Posted By: bigfatwrestler

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 01:25 PM

cody bontz 140. Alex bontz beat beau hentzen 4-0 at the carroll tournament.
Posted By: Crossface King

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 02:25 PM

At the Holiday Classic this weekend in Goodland, the Goodland Cowboys wrestled Scott City-4A, Dodge City-6A, and Garden City-6A. The tournaments we participate in as a team puts us up against many top teams outside of 321A.
Colby Dual Tournament
Goodland Holiday Classic
Liberal Tournament
Hays Tournament
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 03:27 PM

Originally Posted By: jamelleragas
cheif where do you put tyler gjerstad in the 285 rankings?


I know Tyler is a tough wrestler. Help me with any recent history with ranked kids. I know that Taylor Burns from Columbus has criteria over him.
Posted By: back in the day

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 05:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Cokeley
Jordan finished 2nd at 160 in the Claremore, OK tournament this past weekend.


Jordan contiues to be ranked at 152 perhaps he is planning to get there after Christmas. either weight a tough wrestler.
Posted By: dallasjr

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 06:03 PM

Nate Davis is wrestling @ 189 instead of 215. He did make it down before the season started.
Posted By: slick slideby

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 07:21 PM

If Brown stays at 160 that SEK tourny might be worth the drive with Detmer, Caldwell and Brown in the same bracket!
Posted By: Butt-Head

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 07:23 PM

the sek is always a good tourney!
Posted By: slick slideby

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 07:28 PM

probably one of the best single day tournaments
Posted By: Butt-Head

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 07:28 PM

tim wrestler is a sophmore not a freshman
Posted By: bigtyme23

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 07:38 PM

If Brown and Nelson are at 160 the Derby Tournament will feature Caldwell, Detmer , Brown and Nelson
Posted By: bigfatwrestler

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 08:11 PM

If that is true then im gonna go with Detmer/Caldwell in the finals. Then i would pick Caldwell over Detmer
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 08:16 PM

2008-09 All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Bishop Carroll - 5A
4. Wichita Heights - 6A
5. Derby - 6A
6. Clay Center - 4A
7. Valley Center - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Smith Center - 321A
10t. Liberal - 5A
10t. Andale - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
3. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
6. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
7. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Codie Dean - 11 - VC - 5A
9. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
10. Colby Witten - 9 - MZ - 6A


112
1. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
6. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
7. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
9. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
10. Jack Wenzell - 12 - WN - 6A
11. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
12. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
13. Nathan Reed - 11 - COL - 4A
14. Francis Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A


119
1. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC
4. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
5. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
6. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
11. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
14. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
15. Riley Soward - 9 - HAL - 321A
16. Tim Wrestler - 10 - CH - 4A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
8. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
9. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A
10. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
11. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
12. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
13. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
13. Beau Hentzen - 10 - BC - 5A
14. Josh Hanson - 11 - BAL - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
4. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
5. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Skylar McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
7. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
8. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
9. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
5. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
6. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
7. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
8. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
9. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
11. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
12. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
13. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
3. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
4. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
10. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
11. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
12. Josh Rodriguez - 12 - UL - 4A
13. Morgan Numrich - 11 - SC - 4A
14. Pat Cervantes - 11 - BM - 5A
15. Conner Middleton - 9 - ONW - 6A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
5. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
7. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
8. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
10. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
11. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
12. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
13. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
14. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
15. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A


171
1. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
4. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Josh VanHolland - 12 - MV - 5A
7. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
8. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
9. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
12. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
7. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Jarad Sanches - 12 - SMW - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
5. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
9. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A

Posted By: windjammer

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 08:35 PM

Chief,

Cas Spangler has been at 152 in all the results I've seen.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 09:21 PM

Chase Nelson will wrestle at 171. He just dropped for the dual against Detmer.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 09:22 PM

Originally Posted By: windjammer
Chief,

Cas Spangler has been at 152 in all the results I've seen.


Thanks, I'll check that.
Posted By: ksman01

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/22/08 10:44 PM

No valley center??? they crack the rankings at #2 in 5a but not all class?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/23/08 12:01 AM

Originally Posted By: ksman01
No valley center??? they crack the rankings at #2 in 5a but not all class?


After much thought, I moved VC up.
Posted By: Jess Keith

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/23/08 12:15 AM

Ksman,
You might want to look at the 5A rankings again.
Posted By: my3sons

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/23/08 12:22 AM

Didn't Colby beat Valley Center in the Colby Invitional Dual Tournament.
Posted By: 2coach

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/23/08 01:19 AM

Chief hey I have been looking at the 145pds. I think that there is a kid you are over looking Josh Rodriguez, he lost only once this year and that was to C. Bontz by 1 point in which Josh led until the very end, and he beat M. Numrich 7 to 1 in Goodland.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/23/08 02:35 AM

Originally Posted By: my3sons
Didn't Colby beat Valley Center in the Colby Invitional Dual Tournament.


"Dual" tournament. The rankings are representative of tournament performances, not duals.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/23/08 02:42 AM

Originally Posted By: 2coach
Chief hey I have been looking at the 145pds. I think that there is a kid you are over looking Josh Rodriguez, he lost only once this year and that was to C. Bontz by 1 point in which Josh led until the very end, and he beat M. Numrich 7 to 1 in Goodland.


Was he out last year? He is listed as 10-10 and a SQ in 07.
Posted By: 2coach

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/24/08 02:43 AM

yes he was, last year he took 3rd losing only to Means in kids state last year at 145
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/24/08 04:05 AM

How did the team all class rankings change so much? Didn't Derby beat Goddard and Heights in a dual? how did all of them move ahead? Im a little confused on that whole decision. Bishop Caroll moving to number 3?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/24/08 04:12 AM

Originally Posted By: sum876
How did the team all class rankings change so much? Didn't Derby beat Goddard and Heights in a dual? how did all of them move ahead? Im a little confused on that whole decision. Bishop Caroll moving to number 3?


This is not a dual team ranking. See the discussions on earlier posts in this thread.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 12/25/08 03:13 AM

2008-09 All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Bishop Carroll - 5A
4. Wichita Heights - 6A
5. Derby - 6A
6. Clay Center - 4A
7. Valley Center - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Smith Center - 321A
10t. Liberal - 5A
10t. Andale - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
3. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
6. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
7. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Codie Dean - 11 - VC - 5A
9. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
10. Colby Witten - 9 - MZ - 6A


112
1. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
6. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
7. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
9. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
10. Jack Wenzell - 12 - WN - 6A
11. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
12. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
13. Nathan Reed - 11 - COL - 4A
14. Francis Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A


119
1. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
5. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
6. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
11. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
14. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
15. Riley Soward - 9 - HAL - 321A
16. Tim Wrestler - 10 - CH - 4A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
8. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
9. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A
10. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
11. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
12. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
13. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
13. Beau Hentzen - 10 - BC - 5A
14. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
15. Josh Hanson - 11 - BAL - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
4. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
5. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Skylar McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
7. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
8. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
9. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
5. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
6. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
7. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
8. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
9. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
11. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
12. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
13. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
14. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
3. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
4. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
10. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
11. Josh Rodriguez - 12 - UL - 4A
12. Morgan Numrich - 11 - SC - 4A
13. Pat Cervantes - 11 - BM - 5A
14. Conner Middleton - 9 - ONW - 6A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
5. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
7. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
8. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
10. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
11. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
12. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
13. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
14. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
15. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A


171
1. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
4. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Josh VanHolland - 12 - MV - 5A
7. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
8. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
9. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
12. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
7. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Jarad Sanches - 12 - SMW - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
5. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
9. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A


Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/04/09 08:37 PM

2008-09 All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Bishop Carroll - 5A
3. Emporia - 5A
4. Wichita Heights - 6A
5. Derby - 6A
6. Clay Center - 4A
7. Liberal - 5A
8. Valley Center - 5A
9. Smith Center - 321A
10. Andale - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
3. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
6. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
7. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Codie Dean - 11 - VC - 5A
9. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
10. Colby Witten - 9 - MZ - 6A


112
1. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
6. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
7. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
9. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
10. Jack Wenzell - 12 - WN - 6A
11. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
12. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
13. Nathan Reed - 11 - COL - 4A
14. Francis Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A


119
1. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
5. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
6. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
11. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
14. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
15. Riley Soward - 9 - HAL - 321A
16. Tim Wrestler - 10 - CH - 4A


125
1. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
4. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
6. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
7. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
8. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
9. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A
10. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
11. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
12. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
13. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
13. Beau Hentzen - 10 - BC - 5A
14. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
15. Josh Hanson - 11 - BAL - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
4. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
5. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Skylar McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
7. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
8. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
9. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
5. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
6. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
7. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
8. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
9. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
11. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
12. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
13. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
14. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
3. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
4. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
10. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
11. Josh Rodriguez - 12 - UL - 4A
12. Morgan Numrich - 11 - SC - 4A
13. Pat Cervantes - 11 - BM - 5A
14. Conner Middleton - 9 - ONW - 6A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
5. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
7. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
8. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
10. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
11. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
12. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
13. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
14. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
15. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A


171
1. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
4. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Josh VanHolland - 12 - MV - 5A
7. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
8. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
9. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
12. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
7. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Jarad Sanches - 12 - SMW - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
5. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
9. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A


Posted By: flamingo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/04/09 11:08 PM

has beasley beaten plott? i know for sure beasley lost to him at the campus dual tourny. i think it might have been 3-1.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/05/09 12:10 AM

Got it. Thanks.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/05/09 02:09 AM

2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Wichita Heights - 6A
3. Derby - 6A
4. Valley Center - 5A
5. Wichita NW - 6A
6. Emporia - 5A
7. Andover Central - 5A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Gardner Edgerton - 5A
10. Clay Center - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
3. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
6. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
7. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Caleb Thomas - 9 - AC - 5A
9. Codie Dean - 11 - VC - 5A
10. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
11. Colby Witten - 9 - MZ - 6A


112
1. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
2. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
3. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
5. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
6. Dalton Miller - 10 - WC - 6A
7. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
9. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
10. Jack Wenzell - 12 - WN - 6A
11. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
12. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
13. Nathan Reed - 11 - COL - 4A
14. Francis Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A


119
1. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
5. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
6. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
7. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
8. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
10. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A
11. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A
12. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
13. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
14. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
15. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A


125
1. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
4. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
6. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
7. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
8. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
9. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
10. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
11. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
12. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
13. Beau Hentzen - 10 - BC - 5A
14. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
15. Josh Hanson - 11 - BAL - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
4. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
5. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Skylar McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
7. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
8. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
9. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
5. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
6. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
7. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
8. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
9. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
11. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
12. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
13. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
14. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
3. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
4. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
10. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
11. Josh Rodriguez - 12 - UL - 4A
12. Morgan Numrich - 11 - SC - 4A
13. Pat Cervantes - 11 - BM - 5A
14. Conner Middleton - 9 - ONW - 6A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
5. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
7. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
8. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
10. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
11. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
12. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
13. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
14. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
15. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A


171
1. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
4. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Josh VanHolland - 12 - MV - 5A
7. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
8. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
9. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
12. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
7. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Jarad Sanches - 12 - SMW - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
5. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
9. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A


Posted By: old fella

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/05/09 05:05 PM

160 Lemon Chapman finished 3rd in Minneapolis behind two very good wrestlers Chase King 1st and Omli 2nd. Omli defeated Lemon 5-2 dated info but surprised by the ranking
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/05/09 07:29 PM

2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

NEW TEAM RANKINGS!!!! I have applied a new scoring system for the Team rankings. It is very close to the application for the 6A ranking. The dynamics of an All-Class tournament changes the order dramatically versus the individual class rankings. As an example, the 2nd ranked wrestler at 145 in 6A is the 9th ranked wrestler in All-Class.

This should create some conversation...




TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Wichita Heights - 6A
3. Derby - 6A
4. Valley Center - 5A
5. Wichita NW - 6A
6. Emporia - 5A
7. Andover Central - 5A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Gardner Edgerton - 5A
10. Clay Center - 4A
Posted By: flow_rider

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/07/09 01:29 AM

i heard brijin from south quit
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/07/09 02:49 AM

There's a lot of that going around.
Posted By: jdoll

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/07/09 03:10 AM

your not serious about the new ranking system are you? i don't quit see how it works
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/07/09 03:16 AM

Originally Posted By: jdoll
your not serious about the new ranking system are you? i don't quit see how it works


What specific question do you have?
Posted By: jdoll

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/07/09 03:21 AM

not trying to start anything but from what i understand is that when Hattabaugh of Andale wrestled 3A last year he beat cole zogleman 4-0 (Hesston tourney) before zogleman inj defaulted and did not finish the season and Hattabaugh went on to get 6th and a 22-4 record
Posted By: Mike Furches

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/07/09 03:23 AM

Originally Posted By: jdoll
your not serious about the new ranking system are you? i don't quit see how it works


If you take this years weight classes, multiply it by 2, then add in the equaiton from last years results at state, (prior to regional contests) then multiply it by 12 you get the base number. You then take that base number multiply it by 13, (the number of letters in Richard Salyer's name) divide it by the number of people in each of the ranked wrestlers school, you come up with base number 2. You then add base number 1 to base number 2, add the numbers together of the grade of the student, example 9th grade would be 9, 11th grade would be 2, add those numbers to the base number, divide by 4 (the numbers of years in high school for most kids) you get the overall total ranking. I think it is pretty simple and the forumla used by Chief seems to work from year to year.

Just kidding of course as the only ranking that really matters is the one at the end of the year after the state tournaments, everything else up to that point is for some fun, some motivation, and fun to talk about.
Posted By: jdoll

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/07/09 03:26 AM

it only makes sense
Posted By: Mike Furches

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/07/09 03:28 AM

wink
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/07/09 03:34 AM

In Germany you do the exact opposite.
Posted By: jdoll

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/07/09 03:37 AM

not gonna lie you had me going for a minute there
Posted By: Mike Furches

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/07/09 03:39 AM

It is late at night and I am feeling pretty good after my Tulsa team took a beating to the Ballers, David Letterman deserved all of the beating his team took tonight. So, ignore the crazy stuff.
Posted By: shawnbudke

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/07/09 01:26 PM

Chief,

No I'm really confused but you lost me on the Germany comment....
I thought you cut the values in half if you were in Germany and did the exact opposite if you were south of the equator.

Shawn Budke
Posted By: Mike Furches

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/07/09 01:39 PM

Originally Posted By: shawnbudke
Chief,

No I'm really confused but you lost me on the Germany comment....
I thought you cut the values in half if you were in Germany and did the exact opposite if you were south of the equator.

Shawn Budke


I can't speak for the Chief Shawn, but I think you are forgetting about the 1/4 squared variable that comes into play once you cross the equator. Besides, we are crossing hemispheres here, not the equator.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/07/09 01:59 PM

Obviously, I was talking about East Germany.
Posted By: shawnbudke

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/07/09 02:52 PM

Chief, Mike,

Now it makes perfect sense...I was missing the 1/4 squared variable and East Germany connection.

Thanks a lot for the help!

On a serious note....Chief, thanks for the time and effort you put into the rankings!

Shawn Budke
Posted By: ike

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/08/09 02:12 AM

Here is a set of National All-Class Rankings from Intermat.

http://www.intermatwrestle.com/high_school/rankings/highschool0809alljan.aspx


135 -#13 C.J. Napier (Columbus, KS), Sr.

145 -#15 Chase Nelson (Wichita Heights, KS), Sr.

160 -#8 Tyler Caldwell (Goddard, KS), Sr.

171 -#16 Tyler Koehn (Pittsburg, KS), Sr

189 -#14 Boaz Beard (Goddard, KS), Sr.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/08/09 03:45 AM

Whoops. They gave Tyler Koehn another year of High School!
Posted By: coach craig

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/08/09 12:22 PM

....and Chase Nelson SlimFast.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/08/09 07:01 PM

2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Wichita Heights - 6A
3. Derby - 6A
4. Valley Center - 5A
5. Wichita NW - 6A
6. Emporia - 5A
7. Andover Central - 5A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Gardner Edgerton - 5A
10. Clay Center - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
3. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
6. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
7. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Caleb Thomas - 9 - AC - 5A
9. Codie Dean - 11 - VC - 5A
10. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
11. Colby Witten - 9 - MZ - 6A


112
1. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
2. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
3. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
5. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
6. Dalton Miller - 10 - WC - 6A
7. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
9. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
10. Jack Wenzell - 12 - WN - 6A
11. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
12. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
13. Nathan Reed - 11 - COL - 4A
14. Francis Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A


119
1. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
5. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
6. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
7. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
8. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
10. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A
11. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A
12. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
13. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
14. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
15. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A


125
1. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
4. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
6. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
7. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
8. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
9. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
10. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
11. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
12. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
13. Beau Hentzen - 10 - BC - 5A
14. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
15. Josh Hanson - 11 - BAL - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
4. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
5. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Skylar McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
7. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
8. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
9. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
5. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
6. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
7. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
8. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
9. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
11. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
12. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
13. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
14. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
3. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
4. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
10. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
11. Josh Rodriguez - 12 - UL - 4A
12. Morgan Numrich - 11 - SC - 4A
13. Pat Cervantes - 11 - BM - 5A
14. Conner Middleton - 9 - ONW - 6A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
5. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
7. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
8. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
10. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
11. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
12. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
13. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
14. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
15. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A


171
1. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
4. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Josh VanHolland - 12 - MV - 5A
7. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
8. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
9. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
12. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
7. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Jarad Sanches - 12 - SMW - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
5. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
9. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/08/09 07:04 PM

2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Wichita Heights - 6A
3. Derby - 6A
4. Valley Center - 5A
5. Wichita NW - 6A
6. Emporia - 5A
7. Andover Central - 5A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Gardner Edgerton - 5A
10. Clay Center - 4A


103
1. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
6. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
7. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Caleb Thomas - 9 - AC - 5A
9. Codie Dean - 11 - VC - 5A
10. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
11. Colby Witten - 9 - MZ - 6A


112
1. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
6. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
7. Dalton Miller - 10 - WC - 6A
8. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
10. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
11. Jack Wenzell - 12 - WN - 6A
12. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
13. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
14. Nathan Reed - 11 - COL - 4A
15. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 11 - GE - 5A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
5. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
7. Garret Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
8. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Aaron Angiano - 11 - GC - 6A
10. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
11. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
12. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A
13. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
14. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A
15. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
8. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
9. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
10. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
11. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
12. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
13. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
8. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
9. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
11. Beau Hentzen - 10 - BC - 5A
12. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
4. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
5. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Skylar McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
7. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
8. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
9. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
3. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
7. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
8. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
9. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
11. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
12. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
13. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
14. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
3. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
4. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
10. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
11. Josh Rodriguez - 12 - UL - 4A
12. Morgan Numrich - 11 - SC - 4A
13. Pat Cervantes - 11 - BM - 5A
14. Conner Middleton - 9 - ONW - 6A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
5. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
7. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
8. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
10. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
11. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
12. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
13. Sawyer Treinen - 12 - MH - 6A
14. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
15. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A


171
1. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
4. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Josh VanHolland - 12 - MV - 5A
7. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
8. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
9. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
12. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
7. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Jarad Sanches - 12 - SMW - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
6. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
7. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A




Posted By: bigosteve

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/09/09 01:06 AM

I went to the Rose Hill, Clearwater Dual, Clearwater won fairly easily and is a much better team than I anticipated. I went hoping to see Furches and Sparr wrestle against each other. That didn't happen, Furches was announced at 125, and was bumped up to 130, he looked small even at 125 and I anticipate seeing him at 119 this year. While a little rusty, you guys need to consider him, he is certainly back and it was great to see him on the mat. His opponent injury defaulted after the start of the 2nd when Furches was leading 5-0, the Rose Hill wrestler chose neutral, Furches locked up, threw the Rose Hill Wrestler who landed on his ankle or knee and was unable to continue. So, for those asking where Furches is, he is for sure back. Sparr also looked tough and watching them with each other after the dual they looked to be about the same size so I don’t think Furches will have any trouble getting down to weight if he goes to 119.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/09/09 04:16 AM

It was only temporary to have him out of the rankings. He walks around at 122. As planned, he is back at #1/119.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/11/09 01:56 PM

*MANY CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE, BUT AM WAITING ON MORE RESULTS. AS SOON AS I FINISH, I WILL ADJUST TEAM RANKINGS IF NEEDED. ANY INPUT IS APPRECIATED! I AM ALSO REDUCING THE DEPTH AT EACH WEIGHT TO THE TOP 10!


2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Wichita Heights - 6A
3. Derby - 6A
4. Valley Center - 5A
5. Wichita NW - 6A
6. Emporia - 5A
7. Andover Central - 5A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Gardner Edgerton - 5A
10. Clay Center - 4A


103
1. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
6. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
7. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Caleb Thomas - 9 - AC - 5A
9. Codie Dean - 11 - VC - 5A
10t. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
10t. Colby Witten - 9 - MZ - 6A


112
1. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
6. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
7. Dalton Miller - 10 - WC - 6A
8. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
10. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 11 - GE - 5A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
5. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
7. Garret Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
8. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
10t. Aaron Angiano - 11 - GC - 6A
10t. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
8. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
9. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
10. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
8. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
9. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Nick Schwager - 11 - GB - 5A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
4. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
5. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Skylar McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
7. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
8. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
9. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
3. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
7. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
8. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
9. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
3. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
4. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
10t. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
10t. Josh Rodriguez - 12 - UL - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
5. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
7. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
8. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
10. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A


171
1. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
4. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Josh VanHolland - 12 - MV - 5A
7. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
8. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
9. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Brandon Reif - 12 - WC - 6A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
6. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
7. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A




Posted By: usa wrestling

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/11/09 03:11 PM

hey Chief Nick Swager from Great Bend should be in the mix at 130 only having one loss on the year in that weight wich was to Cokeley in the semis 11-2 and came back to place third above houlden.
Posted By: wrestling67

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/11/09 03:46 PM

As should Bandon Reif from Campus he has only 1 loss at 189. 17-1
Posted By: jamelleragas

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/11/09 04:54 PM

where is sharky at chief?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/11/09 06:20 PM

NEW TEAM RANKINGS! New format - Top 10 at each weight!


2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Wichita Heights - 6A
3. Derby - 6A
4. Emporia - 5A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Clay Center - 4A
7. Norton - 321A
8. Smith Center - 321A
9. Colby - 4A
10 - Andale - 4A


103
1. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
6. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
7. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Caleb Thomas - 9 - AC - 5A
9. Codie Dean - 11 - VC - 5A
10t. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
10t. Colby Witten - 9 - MZ - 6A


112
1. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
6. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
7. Dalton Miller - 10 - WC - 6A
8. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
10t. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
10t. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 11 - GE - 5A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
5. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
7. Garret Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
8. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
10t. Aaron Angiano - 11 - GC - 6A
10t. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
8. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
9. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
10. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
5. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
6. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
7. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
8. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Nick Schwager - 11 - GB - 5A
10. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Skylar McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
10. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
3. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
7. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
8. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
9. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
5. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
6. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
7. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
8. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
9. Josh Rodriguez - 11 - UL - 4A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
5. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
7. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
8. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
10. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
5. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
6. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
7. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
8. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
9. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
10. Camron Leupold - 10 - HIA - 4A


171
1. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
4. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
5. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
6. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
7. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
8. Josh VanHolland - 12 - MV - 5A
9. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
10. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Brandon Reif - 12 - WC - 6A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
6. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
7. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A

Posted By: DanaHeavyweight

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/11/09 06:52 PM

i see you put finney above heithaus. what made you give him the #1 spot? just curious
Posted By: badbo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/11/09 07:22 PM

Chief, love the updates, and I love Cokeley and Moeder, but those 2 can't should not score more points a then the entire Lansing, Gardner, Colby, Clay Center, etc. Should they?

24/7
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/11/09 08:08 PM

Originally Posted By: DanaHeavyweight
i see you put finney above heithaus. what made you give him the #1 spot? just curious


He beat Heithaus and was previously #2.
Posted By: wrestlingparents

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/11/09 08:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
Originally Posted By: DanaHeavyweight
i see you put finney above heithaus. what made you give him the #1 spot? just curious


He beat Heithaus and was previously #2.

Do you happen to know the score?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/11/09 08:19 PM

Originally Posted By: badbo
Chief, love the updates, and I love Cokeley and Moeder, but those 2 can't should not score more points a then the entire Lansing, Gardner, Colby, Clay Center, etc. Should they?

24/7


In a 4A or 5A tournament, no. In the All-Class tournament they would.

St. James Academy:
112 - 2nd Place
130 - 2nd Place

Gardner:
119 - 2nd Place
152 - 4th Place
171 - 6th Place

Clay Center:
189 - 3rd Place
135 - 4th Place
119 - 5th Place
215 - 9th Place

Colby:
215 - 3rd Place
103 - 7th Place
171 - 9th Place

Lansing:
103 - 4th Place
171 - 7th Place
189 - 9th Place
160 - 10th Place

Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/11/09 08:26 PM

Originally Posted By: wrestlingparents
Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
Originally Posted By: DanaHeavyweight
i see you put finney above heithaus. what made you give him the #1 spot? just curious


He beat Heithaus and was previously #2.

Do you happen to know the score?


2-1 in OT.
Posted By: Husker Fan

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/11/09 09:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
Originally Posted By: badbo
Chief, love the updates, and I love Cokeley and Moeder, but those 2 can't should not score more points a then the entire Lansing, Gardner, Colby, Clay Center, etc. Should they?

24/7


In a 4A or 5A tournament, no. In the All-Class tournament they would.

St. James Academy:
112 - 2nd Place
130 - 2nd Place

Gardner:
119 - 2nd Place
152 - 4th Place
171 - 6th Place

Clay Center:
189 - 3rd Place
135 - 4th Place
119 - 5th Place
215 - 9th Place

Colby:
215 - 3rd Place
103 - 7th Place
171 - 9th Place

Lansing:
103 - 4th Place
171 - 7th Place
189 - 9th Place
160 - 10th Place



Eric:

I have to agree with Mike on this one. I also think that Cokeley and Moeder are great wrestlers and I think Mike Medina is making some nice progress with the St. James team in the short time that they have been in existence but I don't see anyway they are that high yet as a team. They took 11th out of 20 in the Johnson County Classic and 11th out of 18 this weekend at Derby. Sorry but that should not translate to that high of a ranking in a Kansas all class team ranking. I don't think that Aquinas should be ranked that high either but even in all class tournament I think Aquinas would finish higher than St. James just like they did at the Johnson County Classic. I know Gardner Edgerton would.
Posted By: wrestling67

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/11/09 11:02 PM

At 112 Jack Wenzell won head to head against Uylesses DeShazer at the Carroll tornament so he should be rankrd in there too.
Posted By: Husker Fan

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/12/09 12:14 AM

Besides Gardner-Edgerton, I also agree that Lansing should be a top ten team. I just saw how many points they scored at Eudora. I have also seen how many more points that Gardner Edgerton scored at the JC Classic than St. James.

Eric, you need to consider even using your standards for ranking teams that St. James had two 1st place winners at JC Classic and still only finished 11th out of 20 teams. A lot of an all class tournament for team scoring would depend on how you would set up the all class tournament. Are you going to let the top six placers from 6A, 5A, 4A and 3-2-1A in the tournament, the top 4 or just the top 2. The more you let in the tournament the less influence only two top wrestlers could have. As is shown by how St. James finished at JC Classic with two champions.

I think you need to rank teams by a different criteria. When people are looking at an all class team ranking they really want to know who the top ten teams are and not who would finish in the top ten of a tournament of your individual weight class rankings. To me it should be how they would finish in a team tournament format whether by dual or individual bracket tournament. I think dual would be better for a ranking of teams but even if by individual bracket it should be a format where you take the whole team to the tournament.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/12/09 01:12 AM

As I have stated before, there are entirely different dynamics for each tournament. It is my intent that the All-Class team rankings reflect how a grand state type tournament might turn out. I have been clear that the rankings are not about Dual strength. They attempt to simulate the top 4 placers of each class in a 16 man bracket. It would be similar to a National tournament.

In contrast to the JOCO classic, many of the teams that placed above SJA would have ZERO placers in this type of elite tournament. Taking nothing away from those team efforts, teams such as BVW or MV who placed 3rd and 6th at JOCO, have no wrestlers that are ranked in All-Class. How would that justify a higher ranking than a team with two finalists? BVNW, ON, BVN and BV have 1 wrestler each ranked in the top 10 statewide.

In my opinion, these rankings give us that glimpse of a Grand State tournament. We already have individual class rankings and pursue team titles in all 4 classes. Having said that, even if you took the top teams to an elite tournament, entering all 14 wrestlers from each team, I don't think it would change these rankings much. Understand that Moeder and Cokeley would still finish very high and many wrestlers that scored points at JOCO would score very few or none. In fact out of the current top ten, the only reason that we are having this discussion is the inclusion of SJA. The other teams did not change that much. I don't think many would argue that Goddard, Wichita Heights, Derby and Emporia are elite teams in Kansas. I applied the team scoring for such a tournament and SJA narrowly outscored GE and CC.

Did that clear things up?
Posted By: Husker Fan

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/12/09 03:14 AM

Eric

No it really does not clear up things to me. Are you saying that a team with two qualifiers who are both going to end up placing second in a tournament of 224 participants is going to end up 9th in team scoring in that tournament? I just think if that was really possible that they would have placed a lot higher at Johnson County where they had two champions and even a third place finisher. In all probability in such a tournament they are not going to scoring as many premium points as they would in other tournaments. I really don't mean to be picking on St. James because they are a fine well coached team that is on the rise. I just think this is a flawed concept for doing an all class team ranking. It seems like you are not giving enough credit to the depth of teams like 24/7 mentioned who are going to have more placers in the top 4 of all 14 weight classes and how many points they might be scoring on the backside even from those wrestlers who do not end up placing at this mythical Grand State tournament. They may not be currently ranked in your top ten but they could still be scoring points on the backside in such a tournament. I have seen in action how valuable backside team scoring can be in a state tournament.

I would not be that interested in team scoring in such a grand state tournament. Such a tournament to me would be a lot more about individual accomplishment rather than team accomplishment. I think the results of such a tournament would be making more of a statement about individuals rather than teams. However, it would be fun to see that type of grand state individual tournament.

But as far as a team grand state championships goes, I like to see the dual format first. If it was going to be a non dual team competition format, I think it would be a more fair assessment of the top all class teams to have the top finishing four finishing teams in each class compete in a grand state team championship in a regular individual bracket tournament.

I have had my say on this issue. I will stop and listen to a possible reply from Eric and anyone else who cares to contribute to this particular issue.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/12/09 03:39 PM

Good discussion guys! I appreciate the input and am certainly not bothered by the valid points you have brought up.

My criteria becomes more valid the tougher the tournament. The confusion comes from a lack of understanding about the differences in formats. A Grand State tournament would have 16 wrestlers consisting of the top 4 from each class. Vince's points about entire teams, class tournaments, JOCO and especially Dual strength are irrelevant. The Dual format is my favorite by far, yet has no relevance in the All-Class discussion. I am considering adding another Team ranking that does include that distinction. You are correct that SJA will likely not be in the top 10 in 4A. Yet.....most of the teams that finished ahead of SJA at JOCO would have zero, one or two wrestlers in the tournament and would be outscored by SJA. In 1976, Goodland won Class 3A and KMC won Grand State. In the same way, many of those wrestlers that placed at JOCO would go 0-2 in a Grand State format and score zero points.

Admittedly, my new team ranking criteria gives us a more specialized view of team strength. The top teams are unchanged by it, but the lower half of the top 10 changes quite a bit. I will consider either adding a Dual team strength ranking or go back to my previous criteria on ranking the teams. Once I did the math, I just knew we would have a discussion about the inclusion of SJA. If I had overlooked the true scoring and put CC or SC in place of SJA, we would not have heard any objections.

Stay tuned!
Posted By: usawks1

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/12/09 04:06 PM

Eric ... First, you've done a good job with the rankings! I think limiting the rankings to the top 10 was a good move.

I understand what you are trying to do with a "fantasy" wrestling tourney.

Big tourneys are funny! We have relative recent history where Paola won their division with only four wrestlers (3 Champs and 1 runner-up) We also have Scott City winning their division without a finalist!! In your "fantasy" event, Paola would have been victorious!

I don't want to suggest that your efforts are pure conjecture as a lot of thought goes into making an educated guess!

But in the format you've laid out ... a team that had 3 or 4 champs could win it again! I agree, that it is very likely that a consolation wrestler in a divisional State tourney, would go 0-2. My prediction ... team scores would be extremely low. The winning team score????
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/12/09 04:38 PM

I agree about the low scores. Goddard would be in the 90's with 3rd place in the 60's. SJA would have about 40 points with two finalists.
Posted By: Pokerface

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/12/09 05:01 PM

Eric in your fanasty tournament how can you rank more than 4 kids from 1 class because they wouldn't even make it to the big dance???
Posted By: windjammer

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/12/09 05:01 PM

Is Moeder even at 112? He's ranked 3rd in the 4A rankins at 119, and he finished 3rd at Derby at 119.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/12/09 05:12 PM

He will wrestle half of his matches at 112 and likely be there at the end.
Posted By: windjammer

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/12/09 05:14 PM

Have him and Ornelas gone head to head this year?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/12/09 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Pokerface
Eric in your fanasty tournament how can you rank more than 4 kids from 1 class because they wouldn't even make it to the big dance???


Good question. Currently there are 5 weights with that issue. In order to give priority to the individual rankings, I will not disqualify wrestlers based on that. In those weights, 103,112,130,160 and 189, the positions are 9th,10th,10th,8th/10th and 9th. The corresponding team points don't change the team ranking.
Posted By: moeder

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/12/09 06:02 PM

Originally Posted By: windjammer
Is Moeder even at 112? He's ranked 3rd in the 4A rankins at 119, and he finished 3rd at Derby at 119.



Taylor will be at 112 for Regionals. He went 119 at Derby because of the quality of the bracket. (Also, he got 4th and not 3rd losing to Davis 3-2.) Bobcat will have Ruiz and Callahan at 112, so will definetly be 112 for it. Possibly 119 at Holton where Gentzler will be. He wants to be in the bracket that will improve his wrestling, win or lose, but 112 will be the finishing weight.

(He and Kenny have NOT wrestled this year.)
Posted By: Husker Fan

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/13/09 10:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
Good discussion guys! I appreciate the input and am certainly not bothered by the valid points you have brought up.

My criteria becomes more valid the tougher the tournament. The confusion comes from a lack of understanding about the differences in formats. A Grand State tournament would have 16 wrestlers consisting of the top 4 from each class. Vince's points about entire teams, class tournaments, JOCO and especially Dual strength are irrelevant. ...


Eric, I respectfully disagree. The reason I have commented so much on your current ranking of St. James as 9th ranked team in Kansas is that it is misleading to the young kids who are reading this topic. I know that a lot of them read this topic of your All Class Rankings and they tend to take them as gospel and not just your opinion. And that is all these rankings are they are just one man's opinion. You may be just presenting a picture of how your All Star invitational tournment would turn out based on your different scoring system for a tournament but that is not how many people are viewing it. They are really viewing it as these are the current best teams in Kansas. I am just pointing out that this is an incorrect way to view these rankings and to realize in looking at these rankings these are not official but only Eric Johnson's opinion.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/13/09 11:07 AM

Morning Vince,

No need to apologize to SJA. I have not heard that anyone was offended. Most of those involved have understood my team ranking criteria. I do plan to change the team rankings to reflect a different scenario than the Grand State format. To restate a point, your JOCO and Derby analogies are irrelevant. In a Grand State format, the 9th place team would likely score about 40 team points. With SJA having two finalists, that is where they land. I have been very clear about how my scoring method is different from a local tournament event. The discussion has been great but we have to get past the misunderstanding that the scoring is incorrect.

Team standing corrections are coming. Those rankings will not be representative of a Grand State tournament.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/13/09 11:49 AM

NEW TEAM RANKINGS! New format - Top 10 at each weight!


2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Wichita Heights - 6A
3. Derby - 6A
4. Emporia - 5A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Clay Center - 4A
7. Norton - 321A
8. Smith Center - 321A
9. Colby - 4A
10 - Andale - 4A


103
1. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
7. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Caleb Thomas - 9 - AC - 5A
9. Codie Dean - 11 - VC - 5A
10t. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
10t. Colby Witten - 9 - MZ - 6A


112
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
6. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
7. Dalton Miller - 10 - WC - 6A
8. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
10t. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
10t. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A


119: Too many crazy matches this weekend. Pending ranking!


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
8. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
9. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
10. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
5. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
6. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
7. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
8. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Nick Schwager - 11 - GB - 5A
10. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
8. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
9. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
10. Vance Oliver - 11 - WIN - 5A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
7. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
8. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
9. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
5. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
6. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
7. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
8. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
9. Josh Rodriguez - 11 - UL - 4A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
5. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
7. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
8. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
9. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
10. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
5. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
6. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
7. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
8. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
9. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
10. Camron Leupold - 10 - HIA - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
5. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
6. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
7. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
8. Noel Richardson 12 - CH - 4A
9. Dallas Elliott - 12 - GD - 6A
10. Josh VanHolland - 12 - MV - 5A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Brandon Reif - 12 - WC - 6A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
6. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
7. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
Posted By: windjammer

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/13/09 02:53 PM

Moeder is a great wrestler and certainly worthy of the 2 spot, but I would think you would have to give Ornelas the edge by virtue of his head to head victory at state last year in their only meeting as far as I am aware.
Posted By: blaise

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/13/09 11:30 PM

You can rank wrestlers and teams all you want but until there is a Grand State to determine the truth then it will always be a just a "ranking"... Also I would question the criteria for the rankings because I guarantee 321a would get more then 6 medals out of 52 places. This is based on placing just the top 4 placers in each weight class. Also 321a would have more then "zero" Grand Champions..
Posted By: flamingo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/14/09 02:17 AM

they only shot 321a would have of not having "zero" grand champions would be at 130 and 40. i have never seen madl wrestle so if zahorsky indeed wreslted him in a finals matchup i couldnt predict the outcome. although i have seen all the of the top competitors at 30 wrestle and rogers would have his hands full with cokeley and especially cox. that kid is SOLID!!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/14/09 02:46 AM

We should see Zahorsky and Madl this weekend! 321A would have a real shot at 140, 145, 215 and possibly 130. No slight on 321A here.
Posted By: flamingo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/14/09 06:01 AM

it would be interesting to see if spangler has what it takes to go the distance with means. i apologize for over looking 321a's 215 pounder.
Posted By: blaise

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/14/09 01:52 PM

Fyi- If the report is correct Hewitt of Beloit just beat Keiswetter of Norton in the finals of the Norton tourney last week 4-3.
Posted By: blaise

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/14/09 01:56 PM

Sorry. Hewitt beat L. Keiswetter not K. keiswetter
Posted By: BigPin22

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/14/09 02:43 PM

321A would not have any grand state champs!
Posted By: doug747

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/14/09 04:04 PM

130 would definitely go to either 4a or 6a.

145 goes to 6a

Don't know Madl or Zahorsky to tell, but Blair and Dozier are tough.

6a or 4a would be tough to bet against in 215.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/14/09 04:26 PM

That foursome at 140 would be very tough! You can throw Linwood Peoples in there too. He had an amazing match with Madl last night, losing 5-4 in the last 8 seconds.
Posted By: dallasjr

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/14/09 04:29 PM

Just curious why @ 152 Curtis is ranked above Sutherland when Sutherland placed 4th @ 152 last year and Curtis placed 4th @ 145?
Posted By: RJW1

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/14/09 04:32 PM

Originally Posted By: dallasjr
Just curious why @ 152 Curtis is ranked above Sutherland when Sutherland placed 4th @ 152 last year and Curtis placed 4th @ 145?


Don't worry about it too much, they will get a chance to settle it at Newton this weekend!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/18/09 02:10 AM

2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Smith Center - 321A
10. Lansing - 5A


103
1. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
7. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Caleb Thomas - 9 - AC - 5A
9. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
10. Colby Witten - 9 - MZ - 6A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
8. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
2. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
3. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
8. Logan Singular - 10 - CC - 4A
9. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
10. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
7. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
8. Jace Campbell - OA - 11 - 321A
9. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
10. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
7. Zach Peters - 11 - AG - 4A
8. Nick Schwager - 11 - GB - 5A
9. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10. Victor Cruz - 12 - LB - 5A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
8. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
9. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
10. Vance Oliver - 11 - WIN - 5A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
7. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
8. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
9. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
5. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
6. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
7. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
8. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
9. Josh Rodriguez - 11 - UL - 4A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
5. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
7. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
8. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
9. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
10. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
6. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Camron Leupold - 10 - HIA - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
6. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
7. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
8. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
9. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
10. Dallas Elliott - 12 - GD - 6A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Treat Bugbee - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
Posted By: 103goingon275

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/18/09 02:32 AM

Jesse Gantz beat Codie Bontz 10-5 in the finals at halstead
Posted By: S Biddle

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/18/09 02:56 AM

Biddle beat Dalke at Newton yesterday and then beat Rose tonight at 130.
Posted By: chewie

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/18/09 02:48 PM

Who beat Furches at Clearwater?
Posted By: doug747

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/18/09 03:00 PM

Sparr from Rose Hill
Posted By: wrestlersdad209

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/18/09 09:49 PM

hold on at 112 didn't callahan beat kenny but then ruiz beat callahan and kenny beat ruiz so jus a question but wat gave kenny the number one spot
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/18/09 10:46 PM

Ruiz has the latest win and it becomes criteria between Isaac and Kenny.
Posted By: wrestling67

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 12:19 AM

How does taylor fit into the picture?You have him ranked above Reed yet in 4A Reed is ranked #3 but Taylor is not. My other question is Reeds only loss against a Kansas wrestler is against Dalton Miller what criteria do you use to compute that the following are ranked ahead of him.
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A

Again I believe outside of Dalton Miller beating Reed the only other loss he has this year is to a wrestler from Catoosa.
So, I might be wrong but does #1, #3, #4 really rank above Reed. Then you have to Throw Dalton Miller into the mix.
That is just might thought on 112.
Posted By: 2bentleymom

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 01:27 AM

Steve Kyler is #1 for sure of course I am partial lol He is my kids idol and is an awesome person Glad I can know him
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 02:26 AM

Originally Posted By: wrestling67
How does taylor fit into the picture?You have him ranked above Reed yet in 4A Reed is ranked #3 but Taylor is not. My other question is Reeds only loss against a Kansas wrestler is against Dalton Miller what criteria do you use to compute that the following are ranked ahead of him.
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A

Again I believe outside of Dalton Miller beating Reed the only other loss he has this year is to a wrestler from Catoosa.
So, I might be wrong but does #1, #3, #4 really rank above Reed. Then you have to Throw Dalton Miller into the mix.
That is just might thought on 112.


I don't think Reed has wrestled anyone from Catoosa this year. I did move Dalton up as he's been on a roll since moving down to 112. Those top 4 are solid in those positions. Moeder has only lost to Callahan at 112. In my opinion, Taylor is clearly better than Reed.
Posted By: shwrestlingmom

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 02:35 AM

Ok I'm new to this ranking thing and trying to figure out why Aspen Kmiec 103 is ranked 3rd in 5A but is not ranked in overall. I would think he would be somewhere considering he beat Seybold who is ranked overall. Is there somewhere I can find info on how rankings are established
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 02:47 AM

I know that Aspen is very tough, but taking the season as a whole it's hard to rank him higher in All-Class. Help me out with criteria vs. any of the others ranked ahead of him. The issue with the Seybold win, puts me in a bind after Seybold pinned Pursel. I can't rank Aspen ahead of Pursel. I saw where Aspen lost to Cole 13-0 and got pinned by Goepfert from Marysville. Is that right? To be clear, the KWCA class rankings are totally separate from my All-Class rankings.
Posted By: shwrestlingmom

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 03:10 AM

Im not saying he should be Im trying to understand how it all works. This is only our 4th year in wrestling and I'm trying to figure it out. In fact until I learned about him being ranked by the KWCA and going to the website I didn't know that there were any other type of rankings. I thank you for the compliment on his toughness and think I will see his name on your list by the time his High School career is over. I'm sure when he finds out he isn't on it a mission will be established.
Posted By: wrestling67

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 03:11 AM

Eric, My bad I misread the results he lost to Nick Herrmann Tascosa Tx. Dalton is a Junior not a sophomore.
Posted By: Stevie08

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 04:01 AM

I'm curious as to why Furches is at #2. I don't doubt his ability, but it seems that he hasn't had enough of the quality matches to be ranked above that solid field.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 04:57 AM

Furches has plenty of quality matches to merit his ranking.
Posted By: flamingo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 05:40 AM

SPARR over furches in the semis. 5-1.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 12:39 PM

Originally Posted By: flamingo
SPARR over furches in the semis. 5-1.


That's why Sparr is 1 and Nathan is 2.
Posted By: chewie

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 12:55 PM

I was beginning to think it's because he's a better scrabble player. grin
Posted By: Stevie08

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 04:46 PM

From this year? Enlighten me please, I am unaware.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 07:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Stevie08
From this year? Enlighten me please, I am unaware.


Nathan Furches has never lost to anyone ranked below him at that weight. Dropping him lower in the rankings at that weight can't be justified. Do you have any criteria against him?
Posted By: flamingo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 08:31 PM

at what weight did sparr beat him saturday?
Posted By: S Biddle

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 09:20 PM

119lbs at the Clearwater Invitational
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 10:03 PM

*KEEP THE PM'S COMING WITH CRITERIA. I APPRECIATE THE HELP!


2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Smith Center - 321A
10. Lansing - 5A


103
1. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
7. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Caleb Thomas - 9 - AC - 5A
9. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
10. Colby Witten - 9 - MZ - 6A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
8. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
2. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
3. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
8. Logan Singular - 10 - CC - 4A
9. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
10. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
7. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
8. Jace Campbell - OA - 11 - 321A
9. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
10. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
7. Zach Peters - 11 - AG - 4A
8. Nick Schwager - 11 - GB - 5A
9. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10. Victor Cruz - 12 - LB - 5A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
10. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
7. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
8. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
9. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
5. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
6. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
7. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
8. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
9. Josh Rodriguez - 11 - UL - 4A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
5. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
7. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
8. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
9. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
10. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
6. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Camron Leupold - 10 - HIA - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
6. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
7. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
8. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
9. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
10. Dallas Elliott - 12 - GD - 6A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Treat Bugbee - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A

Posted By: blaise

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 10:07 PM

I think Hewitt of Beloit just beat Creek of Marysville this past weekend..
Posted By: blaise

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 10:09 PM

I think Hewitt of Beloit just beat Creek of Marysville this past weekend..
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 10:14 PM

Got it. Thanks!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 10:15 PM

*KEEP THE PM'S COMING WITH CRITERIA. I APPRECIATE THE HELP!


2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Smith Center - 321A
10. Lansing - 5A


103
1. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
7. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
9. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A
10t. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
10t. Colby Witten - 9 - MZ - 6A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
8. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
2. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
3. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
8. Logan Singular - 10 - CC - 4A
9. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
10t. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
10t. Brett Lamar - 11 - SL - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
7. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
8. Jace Campbell - OA - 11 - 321A
9. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
10t. Zach Peters - 11 - AG - 4A
10t. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
7. Nick Schwager - 11 - GB - 5A
8. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
9. Derek Schnittker - 11 - HUG - 4A
10. Victor Cruz - 12 - LB - 5A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
10. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
7. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
8. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
9. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
5. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
6. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
7. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
8. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
9. Josh Rodriguez - 11 - UL - 4A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
5. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
7. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
8. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
9. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
10. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Cory Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Camron Leupold - 10 - HIA - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
6. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
7. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
8. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10t. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
10t. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Treat Bugbee - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A


Posted By: Stevie08

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 10:26 PM

Who does he have wins over that are below him from this year. He hasn't wrestled much in high school aside from his freshman year. Why would Jake Gentzler, last years state champion, not be ranked above Furches? It seems pretty logical to me considering he placed higher at Clearwater and lost by the same deficit to Sparr.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 10:47 PM

It's not clear enough to change it. They will wrestle soon enough to settle the issue.
Posted By: Stevie08

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/19/09 10:53 PM

That's true, the rankings are all pretty meaningless anyways.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/20/09 12:10 AM

Stevie,

Who would you choose from Kansas to wrestle Alan Waters at 119?
Posted By: BigPin22

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/20/09 01:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade


Who would you choose from Kansas to wrestle Alan Waters at 119?


Boaz Beard!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: church

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/20/09 01:42 AM

I think they look pretty solid at this point in time. I can't see one place I would change a ranking. Good job Eric. We have now competed against every team on your list and I think that's exactly how it is AT THIS POINT in the season.
Posted By: Crossface King

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/20/09 04:05 AM

Chaston Hoeme has been wrestling 171, not 160. He is a good athlete and will enjoy success at 171.
Posted By: smokeycabin

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/20/09 11:00 AM

Using the last rankings - if you invited all the teams of the ranked kids to a tournament you would have about 65 teams or 910 kids if they all had full teams. The numbers would get knocked down a lot if only those with 50% or better winning records (A brackets).
Take the other 50% and make a tournament for them (B brackets).
Posted By: Mahan

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/20/09 05:49 PM

Derek Schnittker -11-Hugoton beat Victor Cruz of Liberal at 130 by a score of 7 to 4 in the finals of the Liberal tournament
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/20/09 06:16 PM

Got it, thanks. Derek's up from 103 last year. What are his losses?
Posted By: Mahan

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/20/09 06:48 PM

Derek is 16 and 2 losses to Alex Bontz and Colorados #1 3A kid
Posted By: wrestlersdad209

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/20/09 07:06 PM

The rankings are pretty close if not right on. I've watched many kids who were ranked have close matches this past weekend in Basehor Lenwood. Personally I believe if the top three kids wrestled in every weight class it could go any way. All the kids you've mentioned on the rankings are generally pretty good in their respected weight classes and have earned the ranking you have given them. Good Job Chief!
Posted By: Stevie08

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/20/09 07:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
Stevie,

Who would you choose from Kansas to wrestle Alan Waters at 119?


Well Chief, I'm not sure what in the world this question has to do with anything. Maybe you can explain it to me. But if you insist upon my opinion, I think the obvious choice would be to put Zac Sparr in there against him. Seems like the best option at the moment, don't you agree?
Posted By: HEADUP

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/20/09 07:37 PM

i agree with big pin put boaz in there
Posted By: sportsfan02

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/20/09 08:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Stevie08
Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
Stevie,

Who would you choose from Kansas to wrestle Alan Waters at 119?


Well Chief, I'm not sure what in the world this question has to do with anything. Maybe you can explain it to me. But if you insist upon my opinion, I think the obvious choice would be to put Zac Sparr in there against him. Seems like the best option at the moment, don't you agree?

I think that would be known as an ad homonym! At least that's what a guy told me one time.
Posted By: bullwrestler

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/20/09 10:53 PM

Not sure how Caleb Thomas could be in the Top Ten at 103. Did he place at Newton or another big tourney this weekend?
Thomas is a good wrestler but he should not be ranked over Alex Wolf. Wolf from Smokey Valley totally dominated the 103 weight class at August and Hatlstead. Thomas was at August and finished 5th.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/20/09 11:18 PM

Bull,

Exactly the info I need to help the rankings. Thomas started the year tough by beating Lueth (GB), Dakin (EMP) and Dean (VC) at the VC duals. He came into Augusta with a 12-1 record losing only to Tyler Dryden. I see that Alex Wolf beat him 2-0. Not total domination but better.

I'll put Wolf in there...
Posted By: Crossface King

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/21/09 02:57 AM

Ryan Taylor beat Chaston Hoeme at the Goodland Tournament 8-4 and he is ranked #1 in 321A. He has three losses of which two were to Brett Arnberger, losing 3-1 and 3-2.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/21/09 11:28 AM

*KEEP THE PM'S COMING WITH CRITERIA. I APPRECIATE THE HELP!

**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**


2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Smith Center - 321A
10. Andover Central - 5A


103
1. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
7. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
9. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A
10. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
8. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
2. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
3. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
9. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A
10t. Logan Singular - 10 - CC - 4A
10t. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
10t. Brett Lamar - 11 - SL - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
9. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Zach Peters - 11 - AG - 4A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
7. Nick Schwager - 11 - GB - 5A
8. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
9. Derek Schnittker - 11 - HUG - 4A
10. Victor Cruz - 12 - LB - 5A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
10. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
7. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
8. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
9. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
7. Zach Wickham - 11 - HAY - 5A
8. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
7. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
8. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
9. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
10. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Cory Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Camron Leupold - 10 - HIA - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10t. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
10t. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Treat Bugbee - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A


Posted By: wrestlersdad209

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/21/09 04:46 PM

so how is callahan ranked first in 4a over kenneth but he's ranked first overall
Posted By: BigPin22

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/21/09 04:51 PM

Chief, you need to put a tagline on your signature that explains why the KWCA rankings are different than yours! You have to be sick of answering that question!!!! I know I am sick of reading that question!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: BigPin22

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/21/09 05:03 PM

Chief,

Your tagline could read something like this:

Rankings are not science. They are merely opinions of informed people.
Wrestlers will have bad days, be sick, injured, unmotivated, or all of the above.
If wrestler A beats wrestler B that doesn't necessarily mean that wrestler A is the better wrestler or deserves a higher ranking than wrestler B.
Most rankings will eventually be settled on the mat.
Rankings are a great discussion starter for fans.
Rankings are a great motivator for wrestlers.
Rankings keep Chief very busy.
Ranking may get kids recognized at higher levels.
You are welcome for all of the time and energy I put into the ranking!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/21/09 05:07 PM

Nice one BP. I like it!
Posted By: "bumble" beasley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/21/09 05:11 PM

Beasley beat singular 5-4 at the toc
Posted By: Harry LaMar

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/21/09 06:20 PM

What happened to D. Wilson from Wichita N. He is tough at 125? Last I knew his only defeat was Deshaz
Posted By: bigfatwrestler

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/21/09 06:59 PM

he didnt place at bishop carroll
Posted By: Falcon Grappler

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/21/09 07:08 PM

Chief!!!

You are the man... Next time I am in KC I am buying you dinner for your hard work!!! If I had your home address, I would have sent you a fruit cake for Christmas:)

Church
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/21/09 07:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Harry LaMar
What happened to D. Wilson from Wichita N. He is tough at 125? Last I knew his only defeat was Deshaz


He is ranked in 6A. 125 has become a little crowded. Almost as crowded as 119! Brett looked great at Basehor. Does he have any criteria over those guys I have listed?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/21/09 07:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Falcon Grappler
Chief!!!

You are the man... Next time I am in KC I am buying you dinner for your hard work!!! If I had your home address, I would have sent you a fruit cake for Christmas:)

Church


Thanks Church. It has been a load lately. I have to remember that I do actually have a job! You guys are setting yourself up for a strong run at the end. Good luck down the stretch and we'll see you in Wichita!
Posted By: S Biddle

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/21/09 08:05 PM

Beasley lost to Brockelman 6-1 at Newton.
Posted By: BVWJAGS

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/21/09 09:39 PM

From what I have seen D. Wilson has wrestled all of his matches since Christmas break at 119. Looks like he may be moving down.
Posted By: bullwrestler

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/23/09 09:47 PM

Hey Chief R you are the man! We all love looking over your Rankings...outstanding job!
Someone to consider for 145 is Andrew Shaft from Douglass he is a Senior. He beat Cole Zolgman from GP last night. The match ended in default. Cole got his bell rung on a shotby CP & throw by from Shaft. Shaft was ahead 6-2 or so a the time and was in control of the match. Would have love to see it continue. Have watched Zolgman at August and Halstead and I don't think anyone had made it thru the 1st period with him, so it could have turned around quickly. Shaft has a lot of talent and should be in the mix for the 321A 145# State Championship if he keeps his head on straight.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/24/09 03:07 AM

I did see that and appreciate the explanation. I saw Shaft in another tournament bracket with a few losses and was trying to figure that one out. I'll keep an eye on him!
Posted By: Ricky Bobby

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/24/09 03:51 AM

This seems to be a common occurrence with Zoglman when he gets down in a match. It happened several times his sophomore year, twice against Nathan Watts from Burlington I believe. Last year it happened against Jake Hattabaugh at the Hesston tournament. Not sure if he’s injury prone or it’s something else. He’s a good wrestler, just doesn't have a lot of heart if you ask me. But, then again I once gave up my racing career because I thought I was paralyzed.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/25/09 06:52 PM

*KEEP THE PM'S COMING WITH CRITERIA. I APPRECIATE THE HELP!

**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**


2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Smith Center - 321A
10. Andover Central - 5A


103
1. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
6. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
7. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 4A
9. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
10. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
8. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
2. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
3. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
9. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A
10t. Logan Singular - 10 - CC - 4A
10t. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
10t. Brett Lamar - 11 - SL - 321A


125
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
5. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
6. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
7. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
8. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
9. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
10t. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
10t. Zach Peters - 11 - AG - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
4. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
5. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
6. Nick Schwager - 11 - GB - 5A
7. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
8. Derek Schnittker - 11 - HUG - 4A
9. Victor Cruz - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
10. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
7. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
8. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
9. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
7. Zach Wickham - 11 - HAY - 5A
8. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
7. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
8. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
9. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
10. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Cory Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Camron Leupold - 10 - HIA - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10t. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
10t. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Treat Bugbee - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A

Posted By: Crossface King

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/25/09 07:33 PM

Here are the results from the Hays tournament, and I believe that at this time Dylan Schumaker needs consideration for ranking at 103
Chris Cemen
Won Jacob Boxberger Russell T-Fall 19-3
Lost Austin Avelar Goodland Dec 8-5
Won Jason Perez Ulysses M-Dec 12-1
Lost Aspen Kmiec Shawnee Heights Fall :20

Dylan Schumaker
Won Jason Perez Ulysses T-Fall 17-1
Won Aspen Kmiec Shawnee Heights T-Fall 15-0
Won Austin Avelar Goodland Dec 6-1
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/25/09 07:39 PM

Crossface, good call. It is time.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/25/09 08:26 PM

*KEEP THE PM'S COMING WITH CRITERIA. I APPRECIATE THE HELP!

**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**


2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Smith Center - 321A
10. Andover Central - 5A


103
1. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
6. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
7. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 4A
9. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
10. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
8. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
10. Troy Bainter - 10 - NO - 321A


119
1. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
2. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
3. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
9. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A
10t. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
10t. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
10t. Dan Weigel - 12 - PV - 321A
10t. Logan Singular - 10 - CC - 4A


125
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
5. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
6. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
7. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
8. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
9. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
10t. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
10t. Zach Peters - 11 - AG - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
5. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
6. Nick Schwager - 11 - GB - 5A
7. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
8. Derek Schnittker - 11 - HUG - 4A
9. Victor Cruz - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Kasey Lien - 11 - SS - 5A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
10. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
7. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
8. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
9. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
7. Zach Wickham - 11 - HAY - 5A
8. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
6. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
7. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
8. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
9. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
10. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Cory Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Camron Leupold - 10 - HIA - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10t. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
10t. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Treat Bugbee - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A

Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/25/09 09:32 PM

Tannanbaum went down ?
Posted By: KansasBoy

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/25/09 10:36 PM

you have Spencer Blew ranked twice at 130 3rd and 10th
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/25/09 10:39 PM

He's probably that good...
Posted By: KansasBoy

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/25/09 10:43 PM

so should he be 3rd or 10th?
Posted By: S Biddle

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/26/09 02:43 AM

Why is Dalton Davis ranked at 112 when all the matches that I can find results for he has wrestled 119. Just asking.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/26/09 03:08 AM

Originally Posted By: sum876
Tannanbaum went down ?


Yes. Don't know if he'll stay there but he certified at 119 and wrestled there Saturday.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/26/09 03:09 AM

Originally Posted By: O-S-U CoWbOy
so should he be 3rd or 10th?


5th
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/28/09 12:23 PM

*KEEP THE PM'S COMING WITH CRITERIA. I APPRECIATE THE HELP! I HAVE ELIMINATED SOME TIES AT 10TH PLACE AND WILL TRY TO RANK THEM 10 DEEP, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.


2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Smith Center - 321A
10. Andover Central - 5A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
6. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
7. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 321A
9. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
10. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
8. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
10. Troy Bainter - 10 - NO - 321A


119
1. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
2. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
3. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
9. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A
10. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A


125
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
5. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
6. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
7. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
8. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
9. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
10. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Bradley Little - 10 - DB - 6A
6. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
7. Nick Schwager - 11 - GB - 5A
8. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
9. Derek Schnittker - 11 - HUG - 4A
10. Victor Cruz - 12 - LB - 5A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
10. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
7. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
8. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
9. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
10. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
7. Zane Wickham - 11 - HAY - 5A
8. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
6. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
7. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
8. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
9. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
10. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Cory Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Camron Leupold - 10 - HIA - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Treat Bugbee - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A

**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**
Posted By: Wyatt Bechtel

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/28/09 06:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
103
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 4A


TMP is a 3A school this year.
Posted By: KCRealtor

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/28/09 07:03 PM

145 Total wrestlers ranked.

321A - 79 Schools - 24 ranked
4A - 60 Schools - 46 ranked
5A - 32 Schools - 44 ranked
6A - 32 Schools - 31 Ranked

Nearly one-third of the ranked wrestlers are from 5A.

Without a Grand State Tournament it is tough to know, but it appears that 5A is the strongest this year.
Posted By: cicici

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/29/09 12:03 AM

KC, in 321A those 79 school are those the schools with a wrestling team or just all of the schools that are listed in classification?
Posted By: Bronco Wrestler

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/29/09 12:52 AM

Originally Posted By: KCRealtor
145 Total wrestlers ranked.

321A - 79 Schools - 24 ranked
4A - 60 Schools - 46 ranked
5A - 32 Schools - 44 ranked
6A - 32 Schools - 31 Ranked

Nearly one-third of the ranked wrestlers are from 5A.

Without a Grand State Tournament it is tough to know, but it appears that 5A is the strongest this year.


Or it could be a guy from the KC Metro Area who sees more of the 5/6A schools has more ranked? Would it be different if I did it out here in Colby? Yes without a doubt as mostly all I see is 4321A schools...

Nothing against you Eric, the rankings are something to talk about and watch.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/29/09 02:11 AM

Alex,

I receive criteria info from all parts of the state, including plenty from Colby. If there are any rankings that you disagree with, provide the criteria and I will change them. The problem lies with the scheduling separation of the classes. Many of the 321A wrestlers don't have head-to head matches with big schools.

As an example, I have never seen Breck Arnberger wrestle. I do see that he beat Chase Nelson and have followed his results throughout the season and have him currently ranked #1.
Posted By: Bronco Wrestler

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/29/09 03:13 AM

Oh I have no problems with the rankings, you're probably just more familiar with the bigger schools and see more results from them. No problems from me on them as these rankings are a huge undertaking on your part for little pay off.
Posted By: KCRealtor

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/29/09 03:26 AM

Originally Posted By: cicici
KC, in 321A those 79 school are those the schools with a wrestling team or just all of the schools that are listed in classification?


There are 79 321A Schools listed on the KWCA website with wrestling programs. I mean no disrespect to 321A schools. My son wrestles for Mill Valley, a 5A team. One of the toughest tournaments we attend each year is at Norton, facing mostly 321A teams. The wrestlers are outstanding, the stands are full of loyal fans, and the people of Norton really lay down the welcome mat for us.

Kansas produces some great wrestlers. The balance of power varies from year to year, but this year it appears that 5A has a large number of very good wrestlers. I wish we had more tournaments that featured teams from every class. More head to head match-ups would answer a lot of questions and make Chief's job a lot easier.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/30/09 12:21 PM

*KEEP THE PM'S COMING WITH CRITERIA. I APPRECIATE THE HELP! I HAVE ELIMINATED SOME TIES AT 10TH PLACE AND WILL TRY TO RANK THEM 10 DEEP, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.


2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Abilene - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
6. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
7. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 321A
9. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
10. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Francisco Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A
8. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
2. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
3. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
8. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
9. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
10. Billy Broekelman - 10 - NO - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
9. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Zach Peters - 11 - AG - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
7. Bradley Little - 10 - DB - 6A
8. Nick Schwager - 11 - GB - 5A
9. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10. Derek Schnittker - 11 - HUG - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
10. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
10. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
7. Zane Wickham - 11 - HAY - 5A
8. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
6. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
7. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
8. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
9. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
10. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Cory Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Camron Leupold - 10 - HIA - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Treat Bugbee - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
3. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A

**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**

Posted By: nastyway

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/31/09 04:07 AM

how is windham over watters? 2-1 this year
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/31/09 11:04 AM

Windham had the last win.
Posted By: S Biddle

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/31/09 12:09 PM

So, Watters has beat him twice. Thats better than the last win.
Posted By: S Biddle

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/31/09 12:11 PM

Brockelman beat Beasley at Newton and finished higher than Singular and he's not even ranked.
Posted By: nastyway

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/31/09 04:07 PM

g
Posted By: flow_rider

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 01/31/09 11:31 PM

wat was the score of the last win
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/01/09 01:02 AM

Originally Posted By: S Biddle
So, Watters has beat him twice. Thats better than the last win.


Just as the last win at State is more important, the latest win is the criteria.
Posted By: rward64

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/02/09 05:38 AM

Honestly, Scott City should be in the race for the top teams in the state. Beating Smith Center at the Norton Tournament with two open weights, one including state placer Dillon Stucky at 135, at the Norton tournament.
Scott City placed 5th as a team at the GC tourne and lost to only one Kansas team (Emporia) by 19 points, placing second to Kearny at the Lexington tourne in Nebraska,and second to Norton at the Norton tourne.
Posted By: Mr. Me

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/02/09 03:14 PM

hey Mr. Renegade can you put a new all class ranking up please
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/02/09 03:19 PM

hee hee.

I updated on 1/31 and am working on a few weights. Hold your horses.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/02/09 05:55 PM

*KEEP THE PM'S COMING WITH CRITERIA. I APPRECIATE THE HELP! I HAVE ELIMINATED SOME TIES AT 10TH PLACE AND WILL TRY TO RANK THEM 10 DEEP, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.


2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Abilene - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
6. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
7. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 321A
9. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
10. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Francisco Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A
8. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
2. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
8. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
9. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
10t. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
10t. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
9. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Zach Peters - 11 - AG - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
7. Bradley Little - 10 - DB - 6A
8. Colton Duhr - 9 - AN - 4A
9. Victor Cruz - 12 - LB - 5A
10t. Derek Schnittker - 11 - HUG - 4A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
10. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
10. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
7. Zane Wickham - 12 - HAY - 5A
8. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
6. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
7. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
8. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
9. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
10. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Cory Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Camron Leupold - 10 - HIA - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Treat Bugbee - 12 - CB - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Nathan Wessell - 10 - LS - 5A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
3. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A

**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**




Posted By: WOOD_WON

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/02/09 09:18 PM

3. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 4A


I thought that AC was 5A this year?????
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/02/09 10:01 PM

Originally Posted By: WOOD_WON
3. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 4A


I thought that AC was 5A this year?????


Interesting way to point out a correction. Yes, Andover Central is 5A.
Posted By: Stevie08

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/03/09 04:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
Originally Posted By: WOOD_WON
3. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 4A


I thought that AC was 5A this year?????


Interesting way to point out a correction. Yes, Andover Central is 5A.

He is also just a sophomore
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/03/09 03:53 PM

Man, I messed that one up. Thanks.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/03/09 04:10 PM

*KEEP THE PM'S COMING WITH CRITERIA. I APPRECIATE THE HELP! I HAVE ELIMINATED SOME TIES AT 10TH PLACE AND WILL TRY TO RANK THEM 10 DEEP, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.


2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Abilene - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
6. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
7. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 321A
9. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
10. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Francisco Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A
8. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
2. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
8. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
9. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
10t. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
10t. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
9. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Zach Peters - 11 - AG - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
7. Bradley Little - 10 - DB - 6A
8. Colton Duhr - 9 - AN - 4A
9. Victor Cruz - 12 - LB - 5A
10t. Derek Schnittker - 11 - HUG - 4A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
10. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
10. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
7. Zane Wickham - 12 - HAY - 5A
8. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
7. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
8. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Cory Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Camron Leupold - 10 - HIA - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
8. Sawyer Crone - 12 - BE - 321A
9. Andrew Wahlmeier - 12 - RC - 321A
10. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GL - 321A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
3. Lorenzo Serna - 11 - EMP - 5A
4. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A

**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**

Posted By: KansasBoy

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/04/09 01:57 AM

Nick Schwager has 2 wins over bradley little
Posted By: usawks1

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/04/09 02:10 AM

I was just looking at some of the possible match ups for this years Senior Classic ... I'm drooling here!
Posted By: Fraggle Rocks!

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/04/09 02:56 AM

Lorenzo Serna of Emporia 5A is a junior
Posted By: BLT

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/04/09 03:05 AM

Chief
Did Hicks beat Woten @ 215???
If so, when? where? score?
Also,
I think I have an idea as to how you rank the teams but do you put like a point value to it? I mean like Goddard has 215 points, #2 has 210 points, #3 has 193 points.
I love the rankings but if there is a point value I would like to see how close they are!

THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO!
Posted By: DanaHeavyweight

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/04/09 03:23 AM

what happened to Brock Heithius? I know he lost to finney at basehor but where did he go in the rankings?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/04/09 03:31 AM

He didn't wrestle at Basehor. That was Vincent vs. Finney. I believe Brock has had injury issues and WNW has another quality HWT in Trey Page.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/04/09 03:51 AM

Originally Posted By: BLT
Chief
Did Hicks beat Woten @ 215???
If so, when? where? score?
Also,
I think I have an idea as to how you rank the teams but do you put like a point value to it? I mean like Goddard has 215 points, #2 has 210 points, #3 has 193 points.
I love the rankings but if there is a point value I would like to see how close they are!

THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO!


Hicks beat Woten 2-1 in the finals at Chanute on Saturday. As to the team standings, I apply a point system for the 6A rankings but the All-Class team rankings are done differently due primarily to the larger pool of teams. I tried applying a Grand State scenario point system, but felt that it was a bit limited in it's application. Average team finishes are used as well as personal preference decisions from the Chief!
Posted By: thebest

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/04/09 02:01 PM

I heard that Brock will be back for state.
Posted By: DanaHeavyweight

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/04/09 05:38 PM

i must have misread it. hope his injury is not to serious. will he be back this year? I have notice that page is wrestling really well in his absence.
Posted By: wrestlingparents

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/04/09 08:18 PM

Brock's injury was to his hand....heard it was doing good now.
Yes, Trey Page has wrestled very good this year! It is a shame one has to sit out...
Posted By: KansasWrestling

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/04/09 10:18 PM


At 152, Blake Fulbright won over Tyler Sutherland 6 to 3 in the semis at Garden City.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/05/09 04:49 PM

*KEEP THE PM'S COMING WITH CRITERIA. I APPRECIATE THE HELP! I HAVE ELIMINATED SOME TIES AT 10TH PLACE AND WILL TRY TO RANK THEM 10 DEEP, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.


2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Abilene - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
6. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
7. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 321A
9. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
10. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Francisco Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A
8. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
2. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
3. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
8. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
9. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
10t. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
10t. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
9. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Zach Peters - 11 - AG - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
7. Bradley Little - 10 - DB - 6A
8. Derek Schnittker - 11 - HUG - 4A
9. Colton Duhr - 9 - AN - 4A
10t. Victor Cruz - 12 - LB - 5A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
10. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
10. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Zane Wickham - 12 - HAY - 5A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
7. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
8. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Cory Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
9. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
8. Sawyer Crone - 12 - BE - 321A
9. Andrew Wahlmeier - 12 - RC - 321A
10. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GL - 321A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
3. Lorenzo Serna - 11 - EMP - 5A
4. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Tank Burns - 11 - COL - 4A

**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**


Posted By: BLT

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/06/09 01:54 AM

Chief
Can someone throw a link for some 5a rankings or maybe you shed some light on it!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/06/09 04:11 AM

Originally Posted By: BLT
Chief
Can someone throw a link for some 5a rankings or maybe you shed some light on it!


http://www.kansaswrestling.org/images/docs/Results/09Rankings/5arankings.pdf
Posted By: dallasjr

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/06/09 04:05 PM

Ref 152 - How could Sutherland drop all the way to 9th, when he lost to Newell by only 1, but overall Sutherland has won 3 of the 5 that they have wrestled? Sutherland has beat Wright-Conklin. He only lost by maybe a point or two in either match, so why??????? His record speaks for his normal wrestling and not the off 2 mataches that he had.
Posted By: VQ09

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/06/09 05:07 PM

Hint: When you use multiple punctuation marks or all caps, it feels like you're yelling. And Chief works way too hard on these rankings for us to yell/complain. (I don't think the job pays very well either :))
Posted By: wrestle strong

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/07/09 02:33 AM

Just an interesting fact. but sophmore Taylor Baird of Pratt (160) beat Jess Lemon of Chapman 7-4 at the Concordia tourney.
Posted By: Ricky Bobby

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/07/09 03:10 AM

Yeah I've been trying to figure out why he is ranked after his early season performance at Minneapolis:
160
1. Chase King Ellis
2. Tate Omli Minneapolis
3. Matt Menear Council Grove
4. Jess Lemon Chapman
Maybe because of how he did at Bobcat having tight matches with Benny Armstrong and Tyler Baughman. I'd say someone like John Hambleton should be above Lemon at this point. Hambleton finshed ahead of Baughman and had a close match with Wuthnow at Baldwin. Nod idea if they actually wrestled:
160 lbs.
1st - Ryan Wuthnow (AB) def. John Hambleton (LC), 2-0
3rd - Tyler Baughman (LAN) def. Chase Wells (SFT), 3-1
Posted By: tbau

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/07/09 03:24 AM

Baughman lost to Wuthnow 4-2 in OT and didn't get to wrestle Hambleton.
Posted By: Ricky Bobby

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/07/09 03:30 AM

At 145 Tyler Davis beat Kyle McGoldrick at Rose Hill in the Semifinals 8-2.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/07/09 05:02 AM

Originally Posted By: dallasjr
Ref 152 - How could Sutherland drop all the way to 9th, when he lost to Newell by only 1, but overall Sutherland has won 3 of the 5 that they have wrestled? Sutherland has beat Wright-Conklin. He only lost by maybe a point or two in either match, so why??????? His record speaks for his normal wrestling and not the off 2 mataches that he had.


Blake Fulbright beat Sutherland and Wright-Conklin beat Fulbright.
Posted By: Sanchez

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/07/09 10:04 PM

Huffman from douglass pinned starnes in about a minute and a half at circle
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/07/09 10:48 PM

*KEEP THE PM'S COMING WITH CRITERIA. I APPRECIATE THE HELP! I HAVE ELIMINATED SOME TIES AT 10TH PLACE AND WILL TRY TO RANK THEM 10 DEEP, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.


2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Abilene - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
6. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
7. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 321A
9. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
10. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Francisco Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A
8. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
5. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
8. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
9. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
10. Brett LaMar - 11 - SL - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Shae Hinman - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
9. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
10. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
7. Bradley Little - 10 - DB - 6A
8. Derek Schnittker - 11 - HUG - 4A
9. Colton Duhr - 9 - AN - 4A
10t. Victor Cruz - 12 - LB - 5A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
10. Shae Hinman - 11 - AC - 5A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
10. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Zane Wickham - 12 - HAY - 5A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
7. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
8. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Cory Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
9. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
8. Sawyer Crone - 12 - BE - 321A
9. Andrew Wahlmeier - 12 - RC - 321A
10. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GL - 321A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
3. Lorenzo Serna - 11 - EMP - 5A
4. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Tank Burns - 11 - COL - 4A

**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/07/09 11:00 PM

Changes made on these big matches...

Gentzler beat Furches in OT.
Anderson beat Hood.
Frye beat A. Bontz.
Hinman beat Medlin.

I moved Crank up because he's on a roll. Waiting for Windham/Watters III.
Posted By: BLT

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/07/09 11:21 PM

Chief
I told you that Woodruff from Goddard wasn't a heavy weight...
Well I guess he is! They are using him at that postion even though he is 190 pound freshman!
Posted By: badbo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/07/09 11:23 PM

Waters/Windham 4.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/07/09 11:26 PM

Are they 2 each?
Posted By: badbo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/07/09 11:48 PM

Watters has won 2 and Windham 1. Tonight is #4.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/07/09 11:55 PM

Now they are 2-2.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/08/09 12:39 AM

Garrett Jones beating Sparr really messes my 119 rankings up.
Posted By: "bumble" beasley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/08/09 12:55 AM

wow so much things have happened in the 119 class this year,
i love it!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/08/09 01:01 AM

It does seem like 119 was a hot spot last year also.
Posted By: "bumble" beasley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/08/09 01:06 AM

So.. How's the rankings gonna workout in this one chief?
I already know people are gonna be asking why someone is ranked over someone else, haha.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/08/09 01:47 AM

*KEEP THE PM'S COMING WITH CRITERIA. I APPRECIATE THE HELP! I HAVE ELIMINATED SOME TIES AT 10TH PLACE AND WILL TRY TO RANK THEM 10 DEEP, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.


2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Abilene - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
6. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
7. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 321A
9. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
10. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Francisco Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A
8. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
5. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
8. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
9. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
10. Brett LaMar - 11 - SL - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
8. Devin Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
9. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
10. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
7. Bradley Little - 10 - DB - 6A
8. Derek Schnittker - 11 - HUG - 4A
9. Colton Duhr - 9 - AN - 4A
10t. Victor Cruz - 12 - LB - 5A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Tanner Weber - 12 - WE - 321A
10. Shae Hinman - 11 - AC - 5A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
10. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Zane Wickham - 12 - HAY - 5A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
7. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
8. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Cory Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
9. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
8. Sawyer Crone - 12 - BE - 321A
9. Andrew Wahlmeier - 12 - RC - 321A
10. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GL - 321A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
3. Lorenzo Serna - 11 - EMP - 5A
4. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Tank Burns - 11 - COL - 4A

**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**

Posted By: Lindon Bontz

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/08/09 01:59 AM

Chief,

Shae is at 135.

125
7. Shae Hinman - 12 - AC - 5A
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/08/09 02:04 AM

Thanks Lindon. I was entering Frye and Hinman and got him in two weights.
Posted By: bigfatwrestler

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/08/09 02:43 AM

Zahorsky beat Madl this year at Bashor i believe.
Posted By: usawks1

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/08/09 03:35 AM

Aaron Patton beat Frye twice this season ... at Burlington and at Eureka.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/08/09 03:43 AM

Originally Posted By: bigfatwrestler
Zahorsky beat Madl this year at Bashor i believe.


Madl lost to Dozier in the semis at Basehor. He has never wrestled Zahorsky.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/08/09 03:47 AM

2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Abilene - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
6. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
7. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 321A
9. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
10. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Francisco Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A
8. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
5. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
8. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
9. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
10. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NT - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
8. Devin Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
9. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
10. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
3. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
7. Bradley Little - 10 - DB - 6A
8. Derek Schnittker - 11 - HUG - 4A
9. Colton Duhr - 9 - AN - 4A
10t. Victor Cruz - 12 - LB - 5A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NT - 321A
8. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
9. Shae Hinman - 11 - AC - 5A
10. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
10. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Zane Wickham - 12 - HAY - 5A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
7. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
8. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
6. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
9. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
6. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
8. Andrew Wahlmeier - 12 - RC - 321A
9. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GL - 321A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 11 - EMP - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Tank Burns - 11 - COL - 4A

**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**


Posted By: chewie

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/08/09 03:48 AM

Wuthnow beat Engstrom today at Phillipsburg.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/08/09 03:51 AM

Originally Posted By: chewie
Wuthnow beat Engstrom today at Phillipsburg.


Got it. Thanks.
Posted By: kswrestler865

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/08/09 07:55 AM

Reading my hometown's newspaper, I've found Hasenbank from Concordia has beat Richardson of Chapman twice this year at 171. Once 8-2 at Chapman, but I do not recall the match at Concordia.
Posted By: KMac

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/09/09 05:51 PM

What happened to Trent Cox from Maize? I don't see him ranked any longer after being #1 earlier.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/09/09 05:53 PM

That's a good question. I do expect him back on the mat, but have not had good communication from his coaches. I would expect him to re-enter the mix at 130 but have not seen him on the mat in awhile.
Posted By: KMac

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/09/09 05:54 PM

Was he injured?
Posted By: 24/7

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/09/09 07:39 PM

broken jaw.

24/7
Posted By: KMac

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/09/09 07:40 PM

Thanks 24/7......Do you know if he will be returning in time for Regionals?
Posted By: 24/7

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/09/09 07:58 PM

Nope, just passing on the info I saw posted some time back. You have heard all I have heard now.

24/7
Posted By: KMac

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/09/09 08:07 PM

Thanks for the info!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/10/09 12:23 PM

2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Abilene - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
6. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
7. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 321A
9. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
10. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Francisco Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A
8. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A


119
1. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
5. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
8. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
9. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
10. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
8. Devin Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
9. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
10. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
5. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
6. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
7. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
8. Bradley Little - 10 - DB - 6A
9. Derek Schnittker - 11 - HUG - 4A
10. Colton Duhr - 9 - AN - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NT - 321A
8. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
9. Shae Hinman - 11 - AC - 5A
10. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
10. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Zane Wickham - 12 - HAY - 5A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
7. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
8. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
6. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
9. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
6. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Andrew Wahlmeier - 12 - RC - 321A
9. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GL - 321A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
3. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 11 - EMP - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Tank Burns - 11 - COL - 4A

**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**


Posted By: papab

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/10/09 02:18 PM

Boyer (112) from Mill Valley has beaten 7. Francisco Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A and 9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A. Will go against Seaton at League this weekend too
Posted By: Scarecrow_103

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/10/09 11:33 PM

Haha, i was just looking at these and thinking about something... at this years state tournament, it would of been 4 years ago... at 152, a senior from lawrence high (Brendan Halpin) upset a few guys(Blake Long and someone else) and made it too the finals against freshman from Goddard Boaz Beard... How funny would that be if Houlden and Reece Conklin make the finals... I personally think it would be awesome... keep up the good showings reece
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/11/09 02:15 AM

Lawrence has themselves a nice Freshman Brandon. He continues to impress me. Also beware of Hunter Haralson next year. He is a beast in a 103 pound body.
Posted By: badbo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/11/09 02:33 AM

Chief, Hunter is already wrestling 110. Who knows what next year will bring but I would guess 112.
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/11/09 03:13 AM

Cokely infront of Cox???????
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/11/09 03:20 AM

Cox has not shown up for several tournaments in a row. I was sure looking forward to the Garden City 130 bracket and, no Cox. I was told by his coach that he was healthy the week before at BVNW, but no Cox there either. Can you name the quality wins he has this year? Cokeley wrestles every week as well as earning National honors in the summer. His only loss to a Kansas wrestler this year is to C.J. Napier in a close match in which he bumped up a weight just to challenge Napier.

I have not seen Trent Cox in any results since 12/20/08. He beat Trey Houlden and Biddle on 12/6. He lost 8-2 to Ramon Willis, the #2 ranked 130 pounder from Oklahoma on 12/13 and then was entered with a 0-0 record at Emporia on 12/20. I confirmed with his coach today that he will be wrestling this weekend at 130, so I added him back to the 6A ranking at #1. Based on this year's results, he is #2 All-Class.

It was not a hard decision.
Posted By: Scarecrow_103

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/11/09 06:45 PM

I know... i like reece, he is a good kid... Everybody has been anxious for him to get up to lawrence high, and now that he is, he is tearing up the scene.... that is sweet. He beat Jimmy hubbard stults, i never did that. Keep it up man
Posted By: GT Kid

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/12/09 03:21 PM

Didn't ryan revoir get beat by some unranked 4A Kid? or that kid might be ranked now...just wondering
Posted By: Go Time

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/13/09 03:29 AM

At 189, Bortz of Pratt beat Davis of Liberal tonight in the Pratt/Liberal Dual 6-4.

Davis had beaten him at the Liberal Tourney 7-5. Bortz now has one loss on the season and deserves another look.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/14/09 01:51 AM

2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Abilene - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
6. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
7. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 321A
9. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
10. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
8. Francisco Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A
9. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
10. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A


119
1. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
5. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
8. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
9. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
10. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
8. Devin Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
9. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
10. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
5. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
6. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
7. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
8. Bradley Little - 10 - DB - 6A
9. Derek Schnittker - 11 - HUG - 4A
10. Colton Duhr - 9 - AN - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NT - 321A
8. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
9. Shae Hinman - 11 - AC - 5A
10. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
10. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Zane Wickham - 12 - HAY - 5A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
7. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
8. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
6. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
9. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
6. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Andrew Wahlmeier - 12 - RC - 321A
9. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GL - 321A
10. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
3. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 11 - EMP - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Tank Burns - 11 - COL - 4A

**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**


Posted By: Stevie08

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/14/09 03:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
Cox has not shown up for several tournaments in a row. I was sure looking forward to the Garden City 130 bracket and, no Cox. I was told by his coach that he was healthy the week before at BVNW, but no Cox there either. Can you name the quality wins he has this year? Cokeley wrestles every week as well as earning National honors in the summer. His only loss to a Kansas wrestler this year is to C.J. Napier in a close match in which he bumped up a weight just to challenge Napier.

I have not seen Trent Cox in any results since 12/20/08. He beat Trey Houlden and Biddle on 12/6. He lost 8-2 to Ramon Willis, the #2 ranked 130 pounder from Oklahoma on 12/13 and then was entered with a 0-0 record at Emporia on 12/20. I confirmed with his coach today that he will be wrestling this weekend at 130, so I added him back to the 6A ranking at #1. Based on this year's results, he is #2 All-Class.

It was not a hard decision.

Cox has many quality wins to merit a #1 ranking.
Posted By: Isenberg133

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/14/09 10:48 PM

So does Ryne Cokely
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/15/09 12:50 AM

State your case on Cox, Stevie.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/15/09 01:25 AM

2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Liberal - 5A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Derby - 6A
8. Bishop Carroll - 5A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Abilene - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
6. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
7. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 321A
9. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
10. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
8. Francisco Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A
9. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
10. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A


119
1. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
5. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
8. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
9. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
10. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
8. Devin Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
9. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
10. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
5. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
6. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
7. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
8. Bradley Little - 10 - DB - 6A
9. Derek Schnittker - 11 - HUG - 4A
10. Colton Duhr - 9 - AN - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NT - 321A
8. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
9. Shae Hinman - 11 - AC - 5A
10. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
10. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Zane Wickham - 12 - HAY - 5A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
9. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
7. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
8. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
6. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
9. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
6. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Andrew Wahlmeier - 12 - RC - 321A
9. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GL - 321A
10. Brandon Reif - 12 - WC - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Taylor Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A
10. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
3. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 11 - EMP - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
8. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
9. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Tank Burns - 11 - COL - 4A

**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**
Posted By: Stevie08

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/15/09 01:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
State your case on Cox, Stevie.

I'm not trying to bring it up again, it's been settled. But that was the exact same argument for keeping Furches ahead of Gentzler a few weeks ago. Why should I state my case when you never gave me a legitimate reason about that? Seems bias to me.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/15/09 01:43 AM

You never stated your case on Gentzler either. That's the way the rankings work. If you disagree, give your criteria and I change the rankings if the information is accurate. Just saying, "He's had plenty of quality wins" is not criteria.
Posted By: Stevie08

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/15/09 01:54 AM

Whatever, it was almost a direct quote from yours. I don't want to argue about it though, I respect your ranking.
Posted By: wrestler155

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/15/09 03:37 AM

Taylor Wuthnow from abilene beat Michael Patenaude at the abilene clay center dual.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 12:35 PM

2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Wichita Heights - 6A
6. Derby - 6A
7. Bishop Carroll - 5A
8. Liberal - 5A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Abilene - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
6. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
7. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 321A
9. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
10. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
4. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
5. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
6. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
7. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
8. Francisco Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A
9. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
10. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A


119
1. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
5. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
8. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
9. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
10t. Brett LaMar - 11 - SL - 321A
10t. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
10t. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
8. Devin Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
9. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
10. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
5. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
6. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
7. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
8. Bradley Little - 10 - DB - 6A
9. Derek Schnittker - 11 - HUG - 4A
10. Colton Duhr - 9 - AN - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NT - 321A
8. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
9. Shae Hinman - 11 - AC - 5A
10. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
10. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Zane Wickham - 12 - HAY - 5A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
9. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
7. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
8. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
6. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
9. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
6. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Andrew Wahlmeier - 12 - RC - 321A
9. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GL - 321A
10. Brandon Reif - 12 - WC - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Taylor Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A
10. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
3. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 11 - EMP - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Luke Keener - 12 - HOI - 321A
9. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
10t. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10t. Tank Burns - 11 - COL - 4A

**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**
Posted By: Brian K. Patton

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 01:58 PM

Saying this in a nice way! What is your criteria? When Tanenbaum was beat by a non ranking kid. My opinion you would have to move the other kids up and him out? But this is your game.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 02:46 PM

Let's don't keep secrets. Who was the "non ranking kid"?
Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 02:56 PM

As far as I know Zack has NOT lost to any unranked opponents but I could be wrong. If I am, please tell The Chief who it is... I think that most of the rankings are based on fact but sometimes there are not enough facts so you have to gather opinions and do the best you can.

By the way, in the mythical Chief Classic, who would be the class champion, 4A or 5A?
Posted By: KC Sportsmom

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 05:00 PM

Renegade spends a great deal of time on the rankings. He does a pretty good job for the most part and is very proud of his work. It can be very difficult to rank those wrestlers that never wrestle common opponents especially if they are from completely different regions. However,I have noticed that his presumptions on "who would be better than whom" do not take into account for wrestler's improvement from a previous year's result, assume that the "big" name is always better than the "lesser" known wrestler and that he does at times show bias with certain individuals. Is this wrong? No, it is his choice and we can choose not to get worked up over it and let the boys settle it on the mat. But I do take issue with the fact that he has stated that he sends "his" rankings in to national rankings as if they were "official" rankings. While I appreciate at least someone for taking the initiative, his bias could taint a wrestler's future recruitment opportunity. Just a thought.

By the way Cokeley, Zack lost on January 31 at SMN to James Wauer from Washington, an unranked opponent.
Posted By: GT Williams

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 05:07 PM

I wish to correct the post which stated:

"By the way Cokeley, Zack lost on January 31 at SMN to James Wauer from Washington, an unranked opponent."

James Wauer is ranked #7 in the above poll. The other losses, by the way, for Zach Tanenbaum, were at 125 to Chaz Lawrence (2), 119-Tyler Stokes, and 119-James Wauer. All, including Zach, are ranked above and are in the elite group of Kansas wrestlers. FYI, Zach also beat Wauer earlier.

Tom Williams
Posted By: S Biddle

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 05:29 PM

Tom, I think he meant he is unranked in the KWCA rankings.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 06:32 PM

That unranked 5A wrestler is 26-2 with losses to Jeff Vesta and Zack Tanenbaum. Wauer beat Tanenbaum the following week.
Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 06:39 PM

119
1. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
5. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
6. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
7. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
8. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
9. Dondre Davis - 12 - WH - 6A
10. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A


James Wauer is ranked. He has some quality wins under his belt which means he is capable of knocking off anyone anytime but unfortunately he has some losses to mediorce wrestlers in his past seasons so it hurts his overall evaluation by the KWCA 5A Coach/ranker.

Just because he isn't ranked in the 5A rankings doesn't mean anything to me. The Chief's rankings are much more accurate and thought through.

I would much rather see the Chief's rankings published in Wrestling USA's rankings than some coach's effort. A coach should coach, not rank. End of story. Greg Buckbee is a great guy, a great coach, but he doesn't even aspire to be a good ranker. USA Wrestling wants someone to rank Kansas wrestlers for their publication. Since the KWCA has not empowered an unbiased, noncoach ranker then Eric is the ONLY option Kansans have. It WILL not hurt anyone's chances of being recruited. Furthermore, if you want to see ranking drama just go out to the High School section of themat.com. The national rankings are so full of forced assumptions. These publications use summer tournaments, coach opinions, top tournament finishes (unfortunately Kansans are NOT permitted to compete in any of the big three tournaments frequently cited by National rankers so Kansan's recruiting opportunities and publicity are DAMAGED by not being allowed to compete there), furthermore they basically consider our state tournaments on par with a regional in other states because of the small population base and the fact we crown four state champions. So... someone HAS TO HAVE AN OPINION or we get NO publicity.

I have just thoroughly reviewed all of the rankings and I detect NO BIASED rankings, ANYWHERE!

Chief!!!! What about my question... 4A or 5A???
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 06:47 PM

Originally Posted By: KC Sportsmom
Renegade spends a great deal of time on the rankings. He does a pretty good job for the most part and is very proud of his work. It can be very difficult to rank those wrestlers that never wrestle common opponents especially if they are from completely different regions. However,I have noticed that his presumptions on "who would be better than whom" do not take into account for wrestler's improvement from a previous year's result, assume that the "big" name is always better than the "lesser" known wrestler and that he does at times show bias with certain individuals. Is this wrong? No, it is his choice and we can choose not to get worked up over it and let the boys settle it on the mat. But I do take issue with the fact that he has stated that he sends "his" rankings in to national rankings as if they were "official" rankings. While I appreciate at least someone for taking the initiative, his bias could taint a wrestler's future recruitment opportunity. Just a thought.

By the way Cokeley, Zack lost on January 31 at SMN to James Wauer from Washington, an unranked opponent.


Once again...

Every living person has a bias whether it's their world view or their opinion of a wrestler's ability. These rankings reflect the information that I receive. In the absence of that information, I rank the wrestlers based on the data that I personally find through my own research. As is usually the case, most cries of bias come from those that have not done the research. To be clear, if anyone has criteria that would erase a perceived bias, please state that criteria on this board or PM me with the info. Just claiming bias without any proof cannot be taken seriously.
Posted By: "bumble" beasley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 07:09 PM

i have a question chief. why is dondre ranked in all-class when Diamond pinned him at City-League??
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 07:26 PM

I didn't see that Cody. Thanks for the info. Have you wrestled Davis or Wilson this year?
Posted By: "bumble" beasley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 07:31 PM

I haven't wrestled Davis this year but i've wrestled Wilson twice this year,
beating him 9-3, and 9-2.
Posted By: Ricky Bobby

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 07:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Cokeley
Just because he isn't ranked in the 5A rankings doesn't mean anything to me. The Chief's rankings are much more accurate and thought through.

I have just thoroughly reviewed all of the rankings and I detect NO BIASED rankings, ANYWHERE!


Here are the top three ranked kids form 321A at 285:
1. Jered Rice-Phillipsburg-11
2. Luke Keener-Hoisington-12
3. Ross Addison-Cimarron-12

In the Chief's rankings Addison is 7th and Rice is 8th. My question is why? Rice beat Addison at regionals last year, finished ahead of him at state placing 2nd to Addison's 4th, and Addison has lost three times (losses are to Dillon Salmans of Hoxie, Luke Keener of Hosington, and Austin Edwards of Great Bend by inj. def). Rice’s only loss is to Keener at the beginning of the season and Rice has since beaten him twice.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 08:05 PM

Perfect RB. State your problem and prove it with results.

Nice job.

**Sure hope you didn't sit on that info too long!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 08:09 PM

2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Wichita Heights - 6A
6. Derby - 6A
7. Bishop Carroll - 5A
8. Liberal - 5A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Abilene - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
3. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
6. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
7. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 321A
9. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
10. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Francisco Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A
10. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
5. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
6. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Brett LaMar - 11 - SL - 321A
9. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
10. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
6. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
7. Devin Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
8. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
9. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
5. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
6. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
8. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
9. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
10. Bradley Little - 10 - DB - 6A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NT - 321A
8. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
9. Shae Hinman - 11 - AC - 5A
10. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
10. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Zane Wickham - 12 - HAY - 5A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
9. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
10. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
4. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
7. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
8. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
6. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
9. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
6. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Andrew Wahlmeier - 12 - RC - 321A
9. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GL - 321A
10. Brandon Reif - 12 - WC - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Taylor Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A
10. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
3. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 11 - EMP - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Dillon Salmans - 10 - HOX - 321A
9. Luke Keener - 12 - HOI - 321A
10t. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10t. Tank Burns - 11 - COL - 4A


**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**



Posted By: Ricky Bobby

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 08:14 PM

And boom goes the dynamite.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 08:18 PM

We can all speak freely around here. No sense in keeping secrets and wondering why the rankings aren't changed. My dish doesn't pick up those 321A tournaments.
Posted By: Ricky Bobby

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 08:21 PM

Yeah, but your internet doesn't block the sites that the results are on.

ZING.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 08:23 PM

I do need to start using that down time between 2 and 3AM to improve my rankings! Any other secrets you have Ricky?
Posted By: bullwrestler

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 08:32 PM

Hey Chief appreciate your efforts on the rankings. Couple of folks to consider...Zach Eaton (10) Bennington at 140 beat Jesse Gantz in OT this weekend at Remington. I believe he is 31-3. No idea who beat him. Cody Huffman (11) Douglass at 285 is 20 some and 3. Lost to Tank at August in OT and to the Andover C kid in a close one or over time at Douglass but pin him at Circle. Westy from Derby beat him 5-2 at Chanute. Not saying they should be in the Top 10, but should be in the discussion. Thanks!
Posted By: S Biddle

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 08:34 PM

You cant speak freely on here because if you do you get bashed. So I'll just go outside and take me a chew.
Posted By: Ricky Bobby

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/18/09 08:36 PM

Remember the field mouse is fast, but the owl sees at night!
Posted By: wrestling67

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/22/09 03:43 PM

Any final ranking updates or pedictions?
Posted By: Crossface King

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/22/09 04:38 PM

Salmans beat Keener 3-2, took 4 overtimes, at the Ellis regional.
Posted By: gregg

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/23/09 01:58 PM

130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
5. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
6. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
8. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
9. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
10. Bradley Little - 10 - DB - 6A


i would like to know what criteria cokeley has over cox????
Posted By: A Petrie

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/23/09 02:03 PM

Originally Posted By: S Biddle
You cant speak freely on here because if you do you get bashed. So I'll just go outside and take me a chew.


Got nothin to do, Throw in a chew
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/23/09 02:19 PM

Originally Posted By: gregg
130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NT - 5A
5. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
6. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
8. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
9. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
10. Bradley Little - 10 - DB - 6A


i would like to know what criteria cokeley has over cox????


Here is a post that I made a few weeks ago. It's great to see Trent back on the mat. He was off of the rankings while he wasn't wrestling and I added him back once he returned.

***Cox has not shown up for several tournaments in a row. I was sure looking forward to the Garden City 130 bracket and, no Cox. I was told by his coach that he was healthy the week before at BVNW, but no Cox there either. Can you name the quality wins he has this year? Cokeley wrestles every week as well as earning National honors in the summer. His only loss to a Kansas wrestler this year is to C.J. Napier in a close match in which he bumped up a weight just to challenge Napier.

I have not seen Trent Cox in any results since 12/20/08. He beat Trey Houlden and Biddle on 12/6. He lost 8-2 to Ramon Willis, the #2 ranked 130 pounder from Oklahoma on 12/13 and then was entered with a 0-0 record at Emporia on 12/20. I confirmed with his coach today that he will be wrestling this weekend at 130, so I added him back to the 6A ranking at #1. Based on this year's results, he is #2 All-Class.***

With a lack of head-to-head criteria, it is tough to rank elite wrestlers. At some point I have to include national criteria as well. This is in no way a slight to Trent, just a judgement call by the Chief. If you have any other input, I'd be glad to hear it.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/23/09 02:21 PM

I will try to have an All-Class update this week. This ranking is the toughest every year. Some changes have already been made but there are MANY considerations! Thanks for all of the PM's. I could sure use the input.
Posted By: gregg

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 02:39 AM

yeah, trent has had some misfortunes with illness and injury. however, if you watch these two wrestlers in action, you will have to agree that cox is many levels above cokeley. not to discredit cokeley, he is a great wrestler, but cox is far superior, period. yes it is a judgement call and i completely understand that. but, i find it very hard to believe that cokeley can beat trent. i talked to trent the week before garden. trent wanted to wrestle even with a broken jaw and his coaches didnt want him to. he knew how important it was to wrestle this tourney. just goes to show that more things are important than proving people wrong on the internet. will we ever know who will win on the mat? nope. so i guess we can talk about it on this forum.

thanks for all the time spent on making the rankings. it really is time well spent.
Posted By: stloza

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 03:18 AM

lemay or slyder dont wrestle this year better check your notes
Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 03:25 AM

Originally Posted By: gregg
yeah, trent has had some misfortunes with illness and injury. however, if you watch these two wrestlers in action, you will have to agree that cox is many levels above cokeley. not to discredit cokeley, he is a great wrestler, but cox is far superior, period. yes it is a judgement call and i completely understand that. but, i find it very hard to believe that cokeley can beat trent. i talked to trent the week before garden. trent wanted to wrestle even with a broken jaw and his coaches didnt want him to. he knew how important it was to wrestle this tourney. just goes to show that more things are important than proving people wrong on the internet. will we ever know who will win on the mat? nope. so i guess we can talk about it on this forum.

thanks for all the time spent on making the rankings. it really is time well spent.


Ex Coach Gregg,

See your PM box

Since you guys are so tight bring him up to the barn ANYTIME. I think Trent is good and I think it would be a good match. This many levels and far superior are not things you say unless you are trying to discredit Ryne.

There are plenty of chances to know: Reno Worlds, Northwest FS/GR Regional, Manahattan FS/GR, Northern Plains FS/GR, State FS/GR, Southern Plains FS/GR, Fargo. I could care less about the ranking but until Trent puts forth an equal effort I don't think you should be jumping on here an spouting off. JMO
Posted By: bigblueballs

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 03:32 AM

how can someone be many levels above a guy who won state his freshman year and his only 2 losses this year were to extremely great wrestlers. I can understand the "he might be a little bit better than cokeley" arguement, but to say many levels better. Wow!! Whatever your smokin i want some buddy.
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 03:37 AM

Amen to that!
Posted By: jdoll

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 04:01 AM

Originally Posted By: bigblueballs
how can someone be many levels above a guy who won state his freshman year and his only 2 losses this year were to extremely great wrestlers. I can understand the "he might be a little bit better than cokeley" arguement, but to say many levels better. Wow!! Whatever your smokin i want some buddy.



last i checked cox has won a pair of state championships and has had his share of quality matches.

in my opinion cox is just a cut above but thats JUST MY OPINION PEOPLE
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 04:06 AM

Originally Posted By: stloza
lemay or slyder dont wrestle this year better check your notes


What do you mean by this?
Posted By: Ricky Bobby

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 04:13 AM

We wouldn't even be having this arguement about if Cox or Cokeley were better if Cox had not moved or transferred to Maize. Wish Cox could have finished up at Andale just so this dumb arguement of this guy is better because of this or that.
Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 04:19 AM

Ricky,

Are you friends with Dick Trickle? He is my all time favorite NASCAR driver! smile
Posted By: WOOD_WON

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 04:24 AM

I have this question. What is the age of both of these kids? Not taking anything from Cox but it is evident that Cokeley goes out and hunts down the competition not just during the season but year round. I agree with Will!!!! I am sure there are many people that would drive him up to the barn or better yet i am sure that Will would drive Cokeley down. "Lets get it on"
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 04:27 AM

THESE ARE STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS! LET ME KNOW OF ANY CRITERIA THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE RANKINGS!


2008-09 All-Class Ranking:

TEAMS - All-Class:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Derby - 6A
6. Wichita Heights - 6A
7. Bishop Carroll - 5A
8. Liberal - 5A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Abilene - 4A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
3. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
6. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
7. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
8. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TMP - 321A
9. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
10. Alex Wolf - 9 - SV - 4A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Francisco Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A
10. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
2. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
3. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
4. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
5. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
6. Zack Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
7. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
8. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
9. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
10t. Brett LaMar - 11 - SL - 321A
10t. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
4. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
6. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
7. Devin Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
8. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
9. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
10. Steven Plott - 11 - SS - 5A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
5. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. Kasey Lien - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Rylan Dalke - 12 - NEW - 5A
10t. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
10t. Josh Umscheid - 12 - AC - 5A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NT - 321A
8. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
9. Vance Oliver - 11 - WIN - 5A
10. Shae Hinman - 11 - AC - 5A


140
1. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
4. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
10t. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
10t. Jason Seibel - 11 - SS - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
5. Cole Zoglman - 12 - GP - 321A
6. Zane Wickham - 12 - HAY - 5A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
9. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
10t. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
10t. Quinton Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
4. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
5. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
6. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
7. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
8. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
9. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
10. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A


160
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
6. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
7. Tyler Baughman - 10 - LS - 5A
8. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
9. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
5. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
6. Noel Richardson - 12 - CH - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
10. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
5. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
6. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Luke Hirschler - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Andrew Wahlmeier - 12 - RC - 321A
9. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GL - 321A
10. Brandon Reif - 12 - WC - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
4. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
8. Taylor Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A
10. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A


285
1. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
2. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
3. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 11 - EMP - 5A
5. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
6. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
7. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Dillon Salmans - 10 - HOX - 321A
9. Luke Keener - 12 - HOI - 321A
10t. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
10t. Tank Burns - 11 - COL - 4A


**THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE KWCA RANKINGS**


Posted By: Ricky Bobby

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 04:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Cokeley
Ricky,

Are you friends with Dick Trickle? He is my all time favorite NASCAR driver! smile


Now that is one funny name. Me and Trick go way back we used to get so tore up from the floor up on Smore flavored Schnapps that we would go down to Mexico and shoot stray dogs for fun.

Fun fact about Dick: he was also widely noted for having drilled a hole in his safety helmet so that he could smoke while racing, and for installing cigarette lighters in his race cars. Trickle was allowed by NASCAR to smoke in the race car during yellow flag periods, and in the 1990 Winston 500 (now the Aaron's 499), Trickle was seen on live television by the in-car camera lighting up and smoking a cigarette.
Posted By: gregg

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 04:36 AM

Originally Posted By: WOOD_WON
I have this question. What is the age of both of these kids? Not taking anything from Cox but it is evident that Cokeley goes out and hunts down the competition not just during the season but year round. I agree with Will!!!! I am sure there are many people that would drive him up to the barn or better yet i am sure that Will would drive Cokeley down. "Lets get it on"




working on it
Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 04:57 AM

Ricky,

You are one knowledgeable dude. I would hate to have to take you on in Trivial Pursuit.

We have racing in common.

http://winfield.50megs.com/Oakley/oakleyracing.htm

My dad was a dirt track driving in the 50's, 60's, and 70's.
Posted By: RichardDSalyer

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 10:25 AM

Originally Posted By: WOOD_WON
I have this question. What is the age of both of these kids?
Not that it matters, however to answer your question I believe both have summer birthdays and Ryne Cokeley is fifteen / sixteen (15)/(16) and Trent Cox is seventeen / eighteen (17)/(18); typical ages for a sophomore and senior in high school.
Posted By: my3sons

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 01:56 PM

Hey Will interesting info on Oakley (my home town). I'll have to show that to my dad, he will get a kick out of those pics. Your old buddy Moeder used to do some racing in Oakley, but it wasn't always on the track. See ya this weekend and good luck.
Posted By: dumdertaker

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 02:48 PM

what was the score of the Cox and Houlden final last saturday


joe
Posted By: doug747

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 03:47 PM

Who would have guessed that you would have a relative with a nickname "NUT"???!!!

Do you have a nickname? How about Will "Bananas" Cokeley?
Posted By: my3sons

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 06:38 PM

I was thinking more like Will "Loose Nut" Cokeley. lol !!!
Posted By: doug747

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 08:38 PM

Apples don't fall too far from the trees do they?
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 08:48 PM

Did he have "I'm a Nut" blasting in his car while he was racing it around the track? ;-) Staying out of those ruts!

By Leroy Pullins

Beedle-dee-bah, beedle-dee-bah, beedle-dee-ree-pa-dom...

[Chorus]
I'm a nut, I'm a nut
My live don't ever get in a rut, whoop-whoop-whoop-whoop
The head on my shoulders is sorta loose
And I ain't got the sense God gave a goose
Lord, I ain't crazy, but ...I'm a nut

Is is wetter under water, if you're there when it rains?
Is it shorter to New York, than it is by a plane?
Between myself and I, I wonder who's the dumber
Is it hotter down south, than it is in the summer?

[Chorus]

I drove my Cadillac to Vegas to satisfy my lust
Wheelin', dealin', left ol' Vegas on a Greyhound bus
I shouldn't have set the woods on fire while I was there
But remember only forest fires prevent bears

[Chorus]

The poverty war will be over, when I begin to fight
If it took a dime to go 'round the world
I couldn't get out of sight
I don't mind to take the girls out
If they don't mind to go Dutch
Makes me feel like a million dollars
And I bet I ain't worth half that much

[Chorus]

Oh, crazy man! I'm a nut!
Oh, Lordy, Lordy Lordy, Lordy
I'm crazy, I'm a nut!
Posted By: papab

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/24/09 11:24 PM

how does deshazer jump up so far when he wasnt even ranked last week?
Posted By: blaise

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/25/09 12:18 AM

It's interesting how the rankings are starting to fill up with 4a and 321a wrestlers. Seems like the rankings are starting to come to true form. Are all the 5a and 6a state tournaments going to be full brackets?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 02/25/09 01:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Bud
how does deshazer jump up so far when he wasnt even ranked last week?


He beat the #1 and #3 ranked 6A wrestlers.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/01/09 10:38 PM

Wow! What a weekend it was. This will keep me busy. I will post updates a weight at a time. Don't know when I'll have them done, but will work to get a posting tonight. Any PM's are appreciated. I can tell already that 119 will be a brain buster.
Posted By: chewie

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/01/09 11:22 PM

I would think 119 would be next to impossible to come up with some sort of logical rankings.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/01/09 11:44 PM

I have 103 pretty much done but am stuck at 112 #5. I can hardly think about 119, but I do have the top 3 that I've run through my head this afternoon.
Posted By: Mike Furches

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/02/09 12:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
Wow! What a weekend it was. This will keep me busy. I will post updates a weight at a time. Don't know when I'll have them done, but will work to get a posting tonight. Any PM's are appreciated. I can tell already that 119 will be a brain buster.


Chief can we say “barn tournament”? I would gladly be there and know of at least one who would be there. We could take that $10 or $20 that some have offered to pay, come up with a donation admission, and then give it to some charity or something, How about it Will, (I already know the answer you will give, you are for it and the barn is available.). Tell you what, I will even offer a ride to the Kansas City area for some of those who may have trouble with transportation in getting to the barn.

I say take the top 8 in each weight, throw em in a bracket and there we go.
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/02/09 12:36 AM

Now were talking. Get-r-done boys! Make it happen!

;-)
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/02/09 01:46 AM

The barn's seating capacity would get in the way of inviting the top eight. I have spoken to many of the top wrestlers about their willingness to wrestle off at the "Barn Burner" event! Best two out of three. We wrestle, eat BBQ, and wrestle again! Some weights would just require two wrestlers, i.e. 130!
Posted By: Mike Furches

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/02/09 02:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
The barn's seating capacity would get in the way of inviting the top eight. I have spoken to many of the top wrestlers about their willingness to wrestle off at the "Barn Burner" event! Best two out of three. We wrestle, eat BBQ, and wrestle again! Some weights would just require two wrestlers, i.e. 130!


Now the BBQ is the gravy on the biscuit, but as to charging admission, supply and demand friend, charge $100 per ticket, of course, coaches get in for $20, but only 2 coaches per corner.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/02/09 02:29 AM

FINAL 2008-09 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS!

103
1. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TM - 321A
5. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
7. Konnor Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Ty Kolterman - 9 - CC - 4A
10. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A


112
1. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
10. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
7. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
8. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
9. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
10t. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
10t. Ky Biddle - 9 - BC - 321A


I will release the weights as they are completed. I will also accept any material criteria that could change these results.

*THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH KWCA*
Posted By: BLT

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/02/09 03:20 AM

How many people will the barn seat?
Is there any chance of a venue that could seat more?
I don't mind the cost!
I just think that if everyone buys into this it could get HUGE!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/02/09 05:01 PM

FINAL 2008-09 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS!

103
1. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TM - 321A
5. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
7. Konnor Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Ty Kolterman - 9 - CC - 4A
10. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A


112
1. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
10. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
7. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
8. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
9. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
10t. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
10t. Ky Biddle - 9 - BC - 321A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Zach Peters - 12 - AU - 4A
5. Devon Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Steven Plott - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Tyson Schmidtberger - 11 - RUS - 4A
10 - Kyle Johnson - 10 - COL - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Josh Umscheid - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Cody Wildin - 11 - MA - 321A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10t. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A


I will release the weights as they are completed. I will also accept any material criteria that could change these results.

*THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH KWCA*

Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/02/09 06:44 PM

FINAL 2008-09 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS!

103
1. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TM - 321A
5. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
7. Konnor Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Ty Kolterman - 9 - CC - 4A
10. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A


112
1. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
10. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
7. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
10. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Zach Peters - 12 - AU - 4A
5. Devon Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Steven Plott - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Tyson Schmidtberger - 11 - RUS - 4A
10. Kyle Johnson - 10 - COL - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Josh Umscheid - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Cody Wildin - 11 - MA - 321A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10t. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A


135
1t. C.J. Napier - 12 - COL - 4A
1t. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Vance Oliver - 11 - WIN - 5A
9. Beau Hentzen - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Dillon Stucky - 11 - SC - 4A


I will release the weights as they are completed. I will also accept any material criteria that could change these results.

*THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH KWCA*


Posted By: bigfatwrestler

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/02/09 08:30 PM

schmidtberger beat plott
Posted By: chewie

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/02/09 09:02 PM

When did they wrestle?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/02/09 11:48 PM

FINAL 2008-09 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS!

103
1. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TM - 321A
5. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
7. Konnor Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Ty Kolterman - 9 - CC - 4A
10. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A


112
1. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
10. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
7. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
10. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Zach Peters - 12 - AU - 4A
5. Devon Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Steven Plott - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Tyson Schmidtberger - 11 - RUS - 4A
10. Kyle Johnson - 10 - COL - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Josh Umscheid - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Cody Wildin - 11 - MA - 321A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10t. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A


135
1t. C.J. Napier - 12 - COL - 4A
1t. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Vance Oliver - 11 - WIN - 5A
9. Beau Hentzen - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Dillon Stucky - 11 - SC - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Zach Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
7. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
8. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Trevor Oliver - 11 - OS - 321A
10. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A


I will release the weights as they are completed. I will also accept any material criteria that could change these results.

*THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH KWCA*

Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 03:37 AM

FINAL 2008-09 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS!

103
1. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TM - 321A
5. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
7. Konnor Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Ty Kolterman - 9 - CC - 4A
10. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A


112
1. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
10. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
7. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
10. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Zach Peters - 12 - AU - 4A
5. Devon Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Steven Plott - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Tyson Schmidtberger - 11 - RUS - 4A
10. Kyle Johnson - 10 - COL - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Josh Umscheid - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Cody Wildin - 11 - MA - 321A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10t. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A


135
1t. C.J. Napier - 12 - COL - 4A
1t. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Vance Oliver - 11 - WIN - 5A
9. Beau Hentzen - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Dillon Stucky - 11 - SC - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Zach Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
7. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
8. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Trevor Oliver - 11 - OS - 321A
10. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A


I will release the weights as they are completed. I will also accept any material criteria that could change these results.

*THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH KWCA*
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 12:17 PM

FINAL 2008-09 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS!

103
1. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TM - 321A
5. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
7. Konnor Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Ty Kolterman - 9 - CC - 4A
10. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A


112
1. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
10. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
7. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
10. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Zach Peters - 12 - AU - 4A
5. Devon Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Steven Plott - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Tyson Schmidtberger - 11 - RUS - 4A
10. Kyle Johnson - 10 - COL - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Josh Umscheid - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Cody Wildin - 11 - MA - 321A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10t. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A


135
1t. C.J. Napier - 12 - COL - 4A
1t. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Vance Oliver - 11 - WIN - 5A
9. Beau Hentzen - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Dillon Stucky - 11 - SC - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Zach Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
7. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
8. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Trevor Oliver - 11 - OS - 321A
10. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - Goddard - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Quinton Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
10. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A


I will release the weights as they are completed. I will also accept any material criteria that could change these results.

*THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH KWCA*
Posted By: XGHSWC

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 04:41 PM

No disrespect to Bo Pursel, he is awesome, huge, big time, arguably the best technician in the state. But I do not see how you can put anyone at 103 above Windham. Windham did everything that was asked of him. Clearly, 5A 103 was a loaded monster bracket and 6A's was not as "tough". The champion of that 5A bracket is totally legit, but after all, we already knew that about Pursel watching him come up through the ranks. You still cannot "punish" Windham because he did not win that bracket. He won the one that he was in and already proved that he could have won the 5A bracket having two wins over Watters. Yes, Watters did beat Windham, but the last two victories went to Windham. Additionally, Windham also beat Seybold a stud as well who beat Watters at regionals. Pursel did beat Seybold at state but one of his losses was to Seybold at Basehor. Windham obviously knew that he had something to prove at state and he did as he completely destroyed by tech fall another stud, Whitten of Maize, in the finals. Whitten was second at the now Mythical Garden City Tournament and only lost to Pursel 12-7 (I believe)at Emporia. The are both great, but I still do not see how you can put anyone ahead of Windham.
Posted By: KC Sportsmom

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 06:18 PM

How can you show such bias in your rankings and arbitrarily place one wrestler over another when the two have actually gone head to head? Why is the standard for injury default acceptable for one wrestler and not for another? Please feel free to elaborate, I'd love to hear your reasoning.
Posted By: "bumble" beasley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 06:23 PM

i beat logan singular.. once again
Posted By: 2coach

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 06:57 PM

Cause chief's a joke, he puts who he wants thats all....
Posted By: S Biddle

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 08:10 PM

but he finished higher than you at state beasley
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 09:14 PM

Originally Posted By: KC Sportsmom
How can you show such bias in your rankings and arbitrarily place one wrestler over another when the two have actually gone head to head? Why is the standard for injury default acceptable for one wrestler and not for another? Please feel free to elaborate, I'd love to hear your reasoning.


Explain which arbitrary bias and unacceptable injury default standard you are talking about. I have always freely talked about ranking decisions. I just can't talk in code.

P.S. I'm a Jake Walker fan...
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 09:15 PM

Originally Posted By: 2coach
Cause chief's a joke, he puts who he wants thats all....


That's a good one. Usually when someone disagrees, they state their case. Do you have one?
Posted By: HEADUP

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 09:17 PM

does place at state matter? or is it head to head? everyone who questions the chief's rankings should make their own. the tournament is over the hardware has been passed out. no offense, chief, but the rankings are kind of like the bcs, they don't mean much. but i commend you for your time and effort. they are fun to read, but some people just get bent out of shape over another man's opinion.
Posted By: Mike Furches

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By: 2coach
Cause chief's a joke, he puts who he wants thats all....


The rankings are what they are, one mans opinion who happens to do a lot of research, and spend a lot of time. Does that make them right? Nope, but I will say, they are still fun. The personal attacks though, they are uncalled for. If you don't like the rankings, do your own thing, do your own rankings. I agree with Chief, maybe giving some justification would be a good thing. I will be the first to tell you, I personally believe you can take any of the top 10, and come up with an argument on any given day. I also believe that you can take a kid from a weight class up and down and come up with an argument in a different weight class, but those are all besides the point. I for one am glad Eric takes the time to do these, even if I disagreed with some of the rankings, and I do, I wouldn't blast the guy unless I was willing to say something here with some substance.
Posted By: shwrestlingmom

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 10:16 PM

These are just his opinions. Chief gives no credit to my son and I used to take offense. Since then my son and his dad have got to talk with the 103lb kids and parents and to me those are the opinions that count. The ones that are on the mat together. So lets hear from the wrestlers: RANK YOUR WEIGHT CLASS. I'm sure there will be some shake ups in chiefs rankings. I'm sure Chief never expected my son on the stands this weekend but his opponents did.

Michelle Kmiec
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 10:17 PM

Yeah, don't be hating on the Chief. He is a good dude. If you don't like his ranking - spend the time and energy to create YOUR own. And, don't forget your criteria.

As Teddy Roosevelt said, 'its not the critic who counts, but the one who is in the ring getting bloodied.' Something like that. I got the full quote on my upstairs computer. I'll add it later if I remember.

Thanks Chief for you labor of love. I have enjoyed it.

Dean
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 10:35 PM

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." Teddy Roosevelt, 1899

To help some of you read between the lines... Chief is the one that dares 'mighty things' with his rankings. The one's that whine about his rankings yet have none of their own - fall under the second part of the passage ('poor spirits . . . ').
Posted By: shwrestlingmom

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 10:37 PM

I'm not hating on anyone I just know I had a hard time with his rankings and decided that it is just his opinion and have decided that the opinions of the wrestlers themselves have more validation to me since they are the ones on the mat.
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 10:45 PM

Sounds good. Opinions are just opinions. Kind of like noses. Everybody has one.

And, on just about any day - just about any of the top 3 can beat each other as was evident by kids that got their first lost to a particular kid that they have never lost to before (happens every year at state).

So, even the kid's opinions don't amount to much.

For example, I don't think Feldkamp (sp?) had EVER beat Nelson (with Nelson probably beating Feldkamp at least 4 times) prior to the finals on Saturday night. . .

Take care.

BTW, hate was too strong of word. My apologizes. My students use it in a joking manner and I was picking up on their lingo. They say things like, "don't hate the player -- hate the game." Then they laugh . . .
Posted By: GT Williams

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 11:01 PM

Let the rankings rest. We decided who was the best last weekend. If you are in the top 6 in your class, then that puts you in the top 24 overall, maybe. If you have 10 or 15 losses then you probably will not get ranked in the the overall top 10, because the guys there do not have that bad of a record. These are subjective, do not count and so what is the big deal? Eric spends all his time for free to make this fun and 9 out of 10 criticize him. Usually the criticism is from people who have a poor record or a poor schedule.

Tom Williams
Posted By: shwrestlingmom

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 11:16 PM

No need to apologizes I know what you ment. I'm just a mom getting frustrated cuz she thinks her son is a top contender. (Don't we all).
Posted By: esj

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 11:17 PM

The" wrestlers themselves" opinions may have more validation than chief,but their opinions I think would be less unified than that of the fans.I think most of the placers believe that they are the best,thats the kind of attitude it takes for most to reach the medal stand,even in defeat they think they should of won and will beat the winner next time.
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/03/09 11:19 PM

Agreed. Well said esj.
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 12:28 AM

2x second place winner > 2x 6th place winner


Logan Singular > Cody Beasly


not to hard there
Posted By: 2coach

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 02:33 AM

I'm not bent, just like you said it's like the bcs a joke....
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 03:02 AM

Originally Posted By: 2coach
I'm not bent, just like you said it's like the bcs a joke....


It is amazing that there are still posters that make sweeping general comments without any specifics.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 03:13 AM

Originally Posted By: shwrestlingmom
These are just his opinions. Chief gives no credit to my son and I used to take offense. Since then my son and his dad have got to talk with the 103lb kids and parents and to me those are the opinions that count. The ones that are on the mat together. So lets hear from the wrestlers: RANK YOUR WEIGHT CLASS. I'm sure there will be some shake ups in chiefs rankings. I'm sure Chief never expected my son on the stands this weekend but his opponents did.

Michelle Kmiec


Congratulations to your son's achievement at State! The All-Class rankings are TEN wrestlers deep at each weight. It is certainly not intended to offend anyone. With 4 State tournaments, we have 24 wrestlers that place. Fourteen of them will not make the top ten. Aspen had a fine season and I have heard many complimentary things about him. In the end, he finished 4th in 5A. He pinned Dakin, beat Dean by 5 and Williams by 2. I had several conversations with those that saw his win earlier in the season over Seybold and when Aaron beat him 14-2 at State, that confirmed my thoughts. Along with the other seven losses, I could not justify a top ten All-Class ranking. To say that I didn't expect him to place in 5A is reaching.
Posted By: Ed Goben

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 03:21 AM

Chief,
I’ve really enjoyed reading your rankings this season but what gives…how can you move Maple into a tie with Napier in the final rankings at 135? What did you see this weekend that would make you think they are now even?

Napier pinned #4 (Hood, 34-2) in the semi finals and gave #3 (Anderson 38-0) a takedown lesson in the finals of 4A that wasn't even close?

Maple beat Wagner who had 11 loses in the finals of 6A, but other than Maple no other kid in the bracket is even listed in the All Class Rankings.

…and I believe Napier beat Maple last summer in both freestyle and greco?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 03:40 AM

A critical point that many posters are missing....

Disagreements are fine and I have never taken them personally. I have solicited help from every willing source to improve the accuracy of the rankings. I can search results for many hours each week and still miss common opponents or even head-to-heads. What doesn't contribute to the rankings are vague comments or generalities. I have stated clearly many times that I appreciate any material criteria. Hundreds of times I have taken that criteria and changed the rankings. What I can't do is try to guess what someone means when they say that "I'm just biased". That adds nothing to the conversation.

With 4 classes across the state, there are many times when there are no commons or head-to-heads. Quality wins or State tournament placing's have to be considered. At the end of the day, I have just tried to have fun with the rankings and enjoy trying to promote Kansas wrestlers. I can assure you that I spend a lot of time every day attempting to make them accurate. For anyone to really think that I have something personal against your wrestler ask yourself, why would I? I have helped assemble many of our National dual teams and I sponsor a Kansas team for the Park Hill duals every year. Like everybody that loves this sport, I just want the best wrestlers that Kansas has to offer to represent our state.

Again, disagreements actually help the rankings as long as they are accompanied by criteria. Emotional comments without rationale are just noise.
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 03:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Special Ed
Chief,
I’ve really enjoyed reading your rankings this season but what gives…how can you move Maple into a tie with Napier in the final rankings at 135? What did you see this weekend that would make you think they are now even?

Napier pinned #4 (Hood, 34-2) in the semi finals and gave #3 (Anderson 38-0) a takedown lesson in the finals of 4A that wasn't even close?

Maple beat Wagner who had 11 loses in the finals of 6A, but other than Maple no other kid in the bracket is even listed in the All Class Rankings.

…and I believe Napier beat Maple last summer in both freestyle and greco?


Good points regarding FS and Greco. And, someone told me that CJ would be too smart and too fast and too good on his takedowns to let it be decided down on the mat. Meaning, he would take Maple down, then let him up and try to repeat the process. Much like he did in his final this year. They are both VERY IMPRESSIVE athletes and I hope I get to see them wrestle each other one time in folkstyle before they move on to the next level.

Good luck and congrads to both.
Posted By: Curtis Chenoweth

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 03:45 AM

In Chief I trust!
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 03:47 AM

It is not Maple's fault he has no competition. Therefore, it is/was hard to tell how good he really is. Who did Maple beat that was the caliber of say a Ryne Cokeley this year?

When one handles an undefeated wrestler in the finals, and one beats Ryne Cokeley during the regular - I'm IMPRESSED.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 03:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Special Ed
Chief,
I’ve really enjoyed reading your rankings this season but what gives…how can you move Maple into a tie with Napier in the final rankings at 135? What did you see this weekend that would make you think they are now even?

Napier pinned #4 (Hood, 34-2) in the semi finals and gave #3 (Anderson 38-0) a takedown lesson in the finals of 4A that wasn't even close?

Maple beat Wagner who had 11 loses in the finals of 6A, but other than Maple no other kid in the bracket is even listed in the All Class Rankings.

…and I believe Napier beat Maple last summer in both freestyle and greco?


Good post. I know C.J. Napier very well. He is an elite wrestler. I have had him ranked #1 all season and he did nothing to disappoint. In Freestyle, I would rank him above Maple every time. What has changed over the last year is the improvement of Kendric Maple. Four of the five Big 12 schools are not interested in him for nothing. He has been dominant and I know personally that many of the states top wrestlers have scattered from his weight class. We will hopefully see these two warriors battle in the Big/Small dual.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 04:29 AM

Here is a prime example of miscommunication...

A previous poster claimed bias without giving specifics. They then PM'd me, telling me to look at 3 tournament results, mentioning only the weight class but not the wrestler. Finally they actually posted this....

***Son placed behind Mullins at Eudora who didn't even make top 6 at 145 state. Hattabaugh was beaten handily by Walker and Sanchez was upset 5-1 on his own home turf at Regionals. Those are specific comparisons. Walker also lost to Means by the lowest score by four (it was within 2 for at least 2 periods) that was found out there at Bobcat. Others ranked higher were pinned. During the season, Walker was only upset by 6A champ Means and 4A champ Sommers. Bad luck occurred at State or maybe the 5A outcome could have been different.***

Now we are talking. I changed the 145 ranking based on this info. Please feel free to offer criteria first, instead of claiming bias and keeping the facts secret.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 04:51 AM

FINAL 2008-09 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS!

103
1. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TM - 321A
5. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
7. Konnor Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Ty Kolterman - 9 - CC - 4A
10. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A


112
1. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
10. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
7. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
10. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Zach Peters - 12 - AU - 4A
5. Devon Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Steven Plott - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Tyson Schmidtberger - 11 - RUS - 4A
10. Kyle Johnson - 10 - COL - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Josh Umscheid - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Cody Wildin - 11 - MA - 321A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10t. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A


135
1t. C.J. Napier - 12 - COL - 4A
1t. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Vance Oliver - 11 - WIN - 5A
9. Beau Hentzen - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Dillon Stucky - 11 - SC - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Zach Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
7. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
8. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Trevor Oliver - 11 - OS - 321A
10. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - Goddard - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Quinton Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
10. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
3. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
9. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
10. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A


160:
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
8. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Travis Rogers - 12 - NT - 5A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
6. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
7. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
8. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
9. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
10. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A


I will release the weights as they are completed. I will also accept any material criteria that could change these results.

*THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH KWCA*

Posted By: 2coach

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 11:55 AM

Chief, I know it is hard to rank these kids. I should not of said what I said, sorry. I have no kids in high school but I follow it a bunch. I just wish the top four from 6a,5a,4a and 123a, could wrestle it off. There are even some kids that did not even place that could probably wrestle in the mix, like 145lb Wickham from Hays, ranked for most of the year and has a bad tournament which to bad has to be the biggest one and the last one of his high school career. All I wish is that they could wrestle one last time so there would have to be no guessing as to who is in the top ten.
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 12:26 PM

Even if the above is done - there would still be injuries, bad calls, etc...(hence there is no solution to the ranking controversy/mystery) BUT, we could still have a great time watching some great wrestlers.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 12:42 PM

FINAL 2008-09 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS!

103
1. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TM - 321A
5. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
7. Konnor Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Ty Kolterman - 9 - CC - 4A
10. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A


112
1. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
10t. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
10t. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
7. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
10. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Zach Peters - 12 - AU - 4A
5. Devon Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Steven Plott - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Tyson Schmidtberger - 11 - RUS - 4A
10. Kyle Johnson - 10 - COL - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Josh Umscheid - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Cody Wildin - 11 - MA - 321A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10t. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A


135
1t. C.J. Napier - 12 - COL - 4A
1t. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Vance Oliver - 11 - WIN - 5A
9. Beau Hentzen - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Dillon Stucky - 11 - SC - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Zach Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
7. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
8. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Trevor Oliver - 11 - OS - 321A
10. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - Goddard - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Quinton Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
10. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
3. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
10. Cullen Demerest - 11 - LS - 5A


160:
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
8. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Travis Rogers - 12 - NT - 5A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
6. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
7. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
8. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
9. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
10. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A


I will release the weights as they are completed. I will also accept any material criteria that could change these results.

*THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH KWCA*

Posted By: XGHSWC

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 02:36 PM

What about Windham? How can he be #2.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 03:49 PM

Originally Posted By: XGHSWC
What about Windham? How can he be #2.


Windham's two losses were to Watters, 8-5 at Newton and 4-3 at Derby. Pursel's two losses were to Seybold at Basehor and a default at regionals. Bo beat Seybold 11-6 in a dominating match and beat Watters in their only meeting in the finals. I realize Roger beat Watters in their last meeting, but weighing all the facts including the way Bo finished in a loaded bracket, put him at #1.
Posted By: Scrapdog

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 04:30 PM

For what it's worth, Cullen Demerest of Lansing should be mentioned at 152 all-class. Cullen placed 3rd at state (152)and finished the year with 30 wins. He would be in bottom, 8th to 10th somewhere in the all class.

1. Cullen lost to Fullbright of Maize (state champ)at a tournament earlier this year in the last 10 seconds on a takedown. Lalo lost to Fullbright 4-2.

2. Wright-Conklin took 5th in 6A, Demerest took 3rd @ 5A.

3. Jordan Brown went 0-2 at state (152 5A). He was pinned in the 2nd round by Zeb Peak from Emporia. Demerest beat Peak 5-2 at state. Brown also quit after being stuck by Peak. (He forfeited his next match).

Just something to think about. Thanks Chief for looking at this.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 04:36 PM

I have thought about that issue with Brown at State and I agree with your information about Demerest. I'll add him.
Posted By: 140ish

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 04:40 PM

John Lynch from Lakin beat trevor oliver 10-3 in the state semis at 140 and placed higher then zahorsky, maybe some consideration that way?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 04:58 PM

That was a tough one for me and I gave it a lot of thought. I know that Bainter and Zahorsky have handled John every time they have wrestled. Oliver does tend to overlook people though 10-3 is convincing. I will look at that again. Does John have any other quality wins?
Posted By: 140ish

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 05:03 PM

two wins over jesse gantz 15-2 and 8-3, 5-4 win over cody hill, 5-4 win over kelly form abilene. the finals match was the worst bainter has ever beaten john every other time it has only been two or three point matches
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 07:05 PM

Need some help at 189!

1. Darnell Bortz - Who was his 1 loss too?

2. 321A! Any input on how I deal with Krone, Hickel and Martinez?
Posted By: XGHSWC

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 07:14 PM

Well, if Pursel would have wrestled Watters 4 times, he probably would have lost a couple of those. Windham beat Watters in their last two meetings. Seybold pinned Pursel and Windham beat Seybold at Chanute. And again, Pursel beat Witten 12-7 while Windham beat Witten by tech. Pursel beat Watters who split with Windham and Windham beat Seybold who beat Pursel. I still do not see how Pursel would have criteria over Windham. If anything, they should be 1t as with Napier and Maples. Otherwise, you are punishing Windham because he was in the "wrong" bracket and that is not right. But thanks for the effort Chief and the response.
Posted By: Dylan Campbell

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 07:17 PM

Martinez beat Hickel at Regionals, Krone beat Martinez and Hickel at state. Based on these head to heads, it would go Krone, Martinez, Hickel in that order. In my opinion Martinez is the best of the three, but you have to admire Krone for beating the field that he beat at state. Krone vs. Martinez was a battle with a last 1/10 second call that could have gone either way going in Krone's favor in the quarter finals.
Posted By: jojo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 07:18 PM

Eric I think that Bortz lost to Nate Davis earlier
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 07:46 PM

FINAL 2008-09 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS!

103
1. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TM - 321A
5. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
7. Konnor Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Ty Kolterman - 9 - CC - 4A
10. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A


112
1. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
10t. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
10t. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
7. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
10. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Zach Peters - 12 - AU - 4A
5. Devon Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Steven Plott - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Tyson Schmidtberger - 11 - RUS - 4A
10. Kyle Johnson - 10 - COL - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Josh Umscheid - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Cody Wildin - 11 - MA - 321A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10t. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A


135
1t. C.J. Napier - 12 - COL - 4A
1t. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Vance Oliver - 11 - WIN - 5A
9. Beau Hentzen - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Dillon Stucky - 11 - SC - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Zach Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
7. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
8. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Trevor Oliver - 11 - OS - 321A
10. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - Goddard - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Quinton Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
10. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
3. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
10. Cullen Demerest - 11 - LS - 5A


160:
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
8. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Travis Rogers - 12 - NT - 5A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
6. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
7. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
8. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
9. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
10. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
3. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
6. Treat Bugbee - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Brandon Reif - 12 - WC - 6A
9. Sawyer Krone - 12 - BE - 321A
10t. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GD - 321A
10t. Jarad Sanches - 12 - SMW - 6A


I will release the weights as they are completed. I will also accept any material criteria that could change these results.

*THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH KWCA*
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 08:31 PM

FINAL 2008-09 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS!

103
1. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TM - 321A
5. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
7. Konnor Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Ty Kolterman - 9 - CC - 4A
10. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A


112
1. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
10t. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
10t. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
7. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
10. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Zach Peters - 12 - AU - 4A
5. Devon Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Steven Plott - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Tyson Schmidtberger - 11 - RUS - 4A
10. Kyle Johnson - 10 - COL - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Josh Umscheid - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Cody Wildin - 11 - MA - 321A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10t. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A


135
1t. C.J. Napier - 12 - COL - 4A
1t. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Vance Oliver - 11 - WIN - 5A
9. Beau Hentzen - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Dillon Stucky - 11 - SC - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Zach Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
7. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
8. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Trevor Oliver - 11 - OS - 321A
10. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - Goddard - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Quinton Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
10. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
3. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
10. Cullen Demerest - 11 - LS - 5A


160:
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
8. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Travis Rogers - 12 - NT - 5A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
6. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
7. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
8. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
9. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
10. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
3. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
6. Treat Bugbee - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Brandon Reif - 12 - WC - 6A
9. Sawyer Krone - 12 - BE - 321A
10t. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GD - 321A
10t. Jarad Sanches - 12 - SMW - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steve Kyler - 12 - ES - 321A
4. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
5. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
6. Taylor Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Levi Kindel - 12 - CON - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A
10. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A


One more weight to go! I will accept any material criteria that could change these results.

*THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH KWCA*


Posted By: jojo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 08:48 PM

Chief, don't forget the all class final team rankings!
Posted By: Svo69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 09:38 PM

Chief:

You've already shown that you have some pretty "hard-bark" on you to endure the lame comments and caustic remarks which periodically surface on these posts.

You handle all posters with respect and dignity (although, presumably, some with gritted teeth).

I, for one, find your contributions to the world of Kansas high school wrestling,invaluable.

I don't know where, or how, you find the time, or where you got the inclination, to do what you do ( or for that matter all rankers of every class), but this sport will surely miss your departure - which, I hope is not soon.

Every tournament is "spiced-up" or, made a little more meaningful - or at least interesting - given your considered, all-class "rankings".

I don't know who will take your place when you decide you've had enough, but it's gonna take a pretty knowledgable, devoted and committed fan of wrestling to fill your shoes.

Great job. Again, thanks alot. I can only hope that there was something in this for you.

Thanks again.
Posted By: Go Time

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 10:04 PM

Bortz lost to Davis from Liberal (7-5) at the Liberal tourney, but then beat him in the Pratt/Liberal dual in Liberal the week before Regionals.
Posted By: Go Time

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/04/09 10:07 PM

Didn't Travis Rogers (Newton) take 3rd at state in 5A @ 171?
Posted By: RLW3

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 02:02 AM

Does Worrell get any consideration? He wrestled Caldwell even for the first period in the 6A finals, beat Sanders and Rogers in the Husky Invitational, Gagliano (who finished 3rd in Missouri Group 4) by a 13-5 score at the Blue Springs South tournament. He would have given Wittmeyer a much tougher match in the finals (lost 12-4) at the same tournament if he didn't have to lose 4 pounds midnight Friday night (Dad had him drink too much!!!). In 2009, his losses are to Caldwell, Wittemeyer (2x) and Lalo.
Posted By: papab

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 02:36 AM

i beat dane norris at 112 7-2 at newton...
-Boyer
Posted By: J Murdock

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 02:41 AM

How does Nelson drop below Feldkamp? Chase beat him 3 out of 4 times with the only loss coming from what in my opinion was a very questionable call at state.
With that being said I was impressed with Feldkamps flexibility and ability to avoid the takedown.

Jason Murdock
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 02:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Bud
i beat dane norris at 112 7-2 at newton...
-Boyer


So did Ruiz and others. Its about peaking at the RIGHT time I guess. That has to count for something.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 02:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Go Time
Didn't Travis Rogers (Newton) take 3rd at state in 5A @ 171?


No, 160.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 02:55 AM

Originally Posted By: J Murdock
How does Nelson drop below Feldkamp? Chase beat him 3 out of 4 times with the only loss coming from what in my opinion was a very questionable call at state.
With that being said I was impressed with Feldkamps flexibility and ability to avoid the takedown.

Jason Murdock


I saw the match and agree that the call was questionable at best. I was surprised that Chase let that possibility happen. However, as close as the previous matches were and the fact that Feldkamp won the State final match, I had no other choice.
Posted By: J Murdock

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 02:57 AM

Chief-

I appreciate the reply , but I would definately take the guy who has won 75% of the time.

Jason Murdock
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 03:02 AM

Excuse the roundball reference, but Oklahoma trounced Kansas twice in 1988, but lost in the finals and the banner is hanging at Allen Fieldhouse.
Posted By: J Murdock

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 03:04 AM

There are no excuses for roundball references here.lol

Jason Murdock
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 03:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Bud
i beat dane norris at 112 7-2 at newton...
-Boyer


Trevor,

Great accomplishment at State! As for Norris, he beat Dalton Miller, defending champion Ruiz and a much improved Scoot on his path. He cannot be denied a top 4 spot.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 03:06 AM

Originally Posted By: J Murdock
There are no excuses for roundball references here.lol

Jason Murdock


That's true. I should delete that post.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 03:07 AM

HWT should be out within 20 minutes...
Posted By: sum876

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 03:27 AM

these rankings are a joke
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 03:30 AM

Originally Posted By: sum876
these rankings are a joke


Strong point.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 03:36 AM

FINAL 2008-09 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS!

103
1. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TM - 321A
5. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
7. Konnor Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Ty Kolterman - 9 - CC - 4A
10. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A


112
1. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
10t. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
10t. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
7. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
10. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Zach Peters - 12 - AU - 4A
5. Devon Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Steven Plott - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Tyson Schmidtberger - 11 - RUS - 4A
10. Kyle Johnson - 10 - COL - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Josh Umscheid - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Cody Wildin - 11 - MA - 321A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10t. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A


135
1t. C.J. Napier - 12 - COL - 4A
1t. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Vance Oliver - 11 - WIN - 5A
9. Beau Hentzen - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Dillon Stucky - 11 - SC - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Zach Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
7. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
8. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. John Lynch - 12 - LA - 321A
10t. Trevor Oliver - 11 - OS - 321A
10t. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Quinton Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
10. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
3. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
10. Cullen Demerest - 11 - LS - 5A


160:
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
8. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Travis Rogers - 12 - NT - 5A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
6. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
7. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
8. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
9. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
10. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
3. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
6. Treat Bugbee - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Brandon Reif - 12 - WC - 6A
9. Sawyer Krone - 12 - BE - 321A
10t. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GD - 321A
10t. Jarad Sanches - 12 - SMW - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steve Kyler - 12 - ES - 321A
4. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
5. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
6. Taylor Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Levi Kindel - 12 - CON - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A
10. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A


285
1. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
2. Tank Burns - 11 - COL - 4A
3. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
5. Lorenzo Serna - 11 - EMP - 5A
6. Jared Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
7. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Dennis Devader - 12 - HOL - 4A
9. Cody Huffman - 12 - DO - 321A
10. Dillon Salmans - 10 - HOX - 321A


Team Rankings tomorrow! I will still accept any material criteria that could change these results.

*THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH KWCA*
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 03:36 AM

Sum876, where are YOUR rankings so all of Kansas can analyze them with a fine-toothed comb?

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." Teddy Roosevelt, 1899

To help some of you read between the lines... Chief is the one that dares 'mighty things' with his rankings. The one's that whine about his rankings yet have none of their own - fall under the second part of the passage ('poor spirits . . . ').
Posted By: HEADUP

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 11:23 AM

i totally agree with chief on any ranking, that takes the last victory. i mean come on i was undefeated when i was 8 doesn't that count for something.
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 11:49 AM

Pats were undefeated until they meet the Giants in the Super Bowl. And, on and on we could go.
Posted By: Mike Furches

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 11:51 AM

Originally Posted By: dwelsh
Pats were undefeated until they meet the Giants in the Super Bowl. And, on and on we could go.
Dean be easy on the fellow, those rankings did mean something when he was 8 or so, but once you hit 10 or 11 the rankings are based on what you have done at that age.

Actually my point, and Chief has said it a number of times, one disagrees then provide evidence and reason, he has actually changed his rankings based on that.

Now anyone that puts any weight to those rankings watch out. I have stated before and believe it, that on any given day, most anyone ranked can beat anyone else ranked. I know that to be the case at 119 and several of the other weights. Chief has dedicated himself to helping and entertaining us on these boards with real, and lively discussion, to blast him because you disagree with it really is something I would expect an 11 or 12 year old to do.
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 11:55 AM

Mike,.
I'm not following you. I'm slow. My point was simply that chief is correct (in my opinion) that the last win/lost at state carries a ton of weight when he is making his rankings.

I assume you were being sarcastic but I'm still too sleep or slow to pick on on it. Time to get to the shower and wake up.
Posted By: Mike Furches

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 12:01 PM

A little sarcastic, just implying that the one young man stated he was undefeated when he was like 8 or so, agreeing with him also implying that once you reach an older age, which he likely has, that age is what matters, wasn't anything towards you. Time for me to get to the gym, after making one more post in the other related field. I do agree with you 100% on Chief, I think he knows that. Have a good one and good morning.
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 12:42 PM

Mike, I know and trust you. I didn't feel like you were jabbing me or demanding me to 'COWBOY UP'! hahahaha

I was just asking for an explanation to your comment. After a shower and some coffee - I get it.

Here it is again sarcastically -- "hey, I was UNDEFEATED back in 1978 -- why am I not on the 2009 FINAL rankings? There are 'kids' ahead of me with one or two losses! Ghez, man. Thats not FAIR." hahahaha

Thanks Mike. Take care.

Dean
Posted By: OnHwt10

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 04:38 PM

chief, i'm not sure where but serna beat page
Posted By: Ricky Bobby

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 04:56 PM

At heavyweight Jeff O’Daniel of St. Paul, the fourth place finisher in 321A, beat Tony Marquez of Bishop Carroll 4-0 at the SEK Tournament in Chanute.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 05:22 PM

Originally Posted By: OnHwt10
chief, i'm not sure where but serna beat page


I do see that Serna beat Page 3-1 at Newton. I had weighed the recent tech fall by Page over Marquez vs. a closer match between Serna/Marquez. What are Serna's 3 losses and did Page wrestle him again anywhere?

Thanks for the info!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 05:53 PM

FINAL 2008-09 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS!


TEAM RANKINGS:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Derby - 6A
4. Colby - 4A
5. Lansing - 5A
6. Bishop Carroll - 5A
7. Smith Center - 321A
8. Clay Center - 4A
9. Maize - 6A
10t. Abilene - 4A
10t. Wichita Heights - 6A



103
1. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TM - 321A
5. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
7. Konnor Kriss - 9 - CB - 4A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Ty Kolterman - 9 - CC - 4A
10. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A


112
1. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
10t. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
10t. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
7. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
10. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Zach Peters - 12 - AU - 4A
5. Devon Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Steven Plott - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Tyson Schmidtberger - 11 - RUS - 4A
10. Kyle Johnson - 10 - COL - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Josh Umscheid - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Cody Wildin - 11 - MA - 321A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10t. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A


135
1t. C.J. Napier - 12 - COL - 4A
1t. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Vance Oliver - 11 - WIN - 5A
9. Beau Hentzen - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Dillon Stucky - 11 - SC - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Zach Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
7. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
8. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. John Lynch - 12 - LA - 321A
10t. Trevor Oliver - 11 - OS - 321A
10t. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Quinton Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
10. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
3. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
10. Cullen Demerest - 11 - LS - 5A


160:
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
8. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Anson Worrell - 12 - BVNW - 6A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
6. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
7. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
8. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
9. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
10. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
3. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
6. Treat Bugbee - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Brandon Reif - 12 - WC - 6A
9. Sawyer Krone - 12 - BE - 321A
10t. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GD - 321A
10t. Jarad Sanches - 12 - SMW - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steve Kyler - 12 - ES - 321A
4. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
5. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
6. Taylor Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Levi Kindel - 12 - CON - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A
10. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A


285
1. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
2. Tank Burns - 11 - COL - 4A
3. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 11 - EMP - 5A
5. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
6. Jared Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
7. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Dennis Devader - 12 - HOL - 4A
9. Cody Huffman - 12 - DO - 321A
10. Dillon Salmans - 10 - HOX - 321A


I will still accept any material criteria that could change these results.

*THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH KWCA*

_________________________
Posted By: blaise

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 09:46 PM

I'm surprised you even have Smith Center of 321a ranked. There has to be some more 5a and 6a power teams out there. Maybe Beloit could be in your top ten. Whoops there 321a also.
Posted By: blaise

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 09:52 PM

If I remember correctly, I think Abilene took 6th at the Beloit inv...
Posted By: EMPhwt

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/05/09 11:50 PM

I lost to starnes and patenaude in the beginning of the season. then to bj at garden city. i only wrestled page once.

didn't burns lose to finney twice before?
Posted By: jdoll

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/06/09 12:14 AM

Originally Posted By: EMPhwt
I lost to starnes and patenaude in the beginning of the season. then to bj at garden city. i only wrestled page once.

didn't burns lose to finney twice before?


finney did beat burns 3-1 at basehor and 2-1 at rose hill i believe both were OT. but burns won 3-1 where it counted... state.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/06/09 03:06 AM

Originally Posted By: EMPhwt
I lost to starnes and patenaude in the beginning of the season. then to bj at garden city. i only wrestled page once.

didn't burns lose to finney twice before?


I moved you ahead of Page.
Posted By: Fraggle Rocks!

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/06/09 03:48 AM

Lorenzo beat Trey Page of Wichita Northwest 3-1 in the finals of the Newton T.O.C.
His losses are...
One loss came from Michael Starnes of Andover Central during the first tournament of the season.

I can't think of the loss in between these two losses.

Another loss came from B.J. Finney at the Garden City/Rocky Welton Tournament. I believe he lost to B.J. in Overtime 2-1
Posted By: wrestle007

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/06/09 02:42 PM

has vincent ever met burns? i'm certainly not questioning the ranking, just wondering if the two have wrestled each other in high school
Posted By: RJW1

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/06/09 03:45 PM

Hard to believe Colby can beat Derby by 75.5 points at Newton and be ranked below them in your final team rankings! Very interesting! crazy
Posted By: MAS

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/06/09 04:10 PM

Originally Posted By: RJW1
Hard to believe Colby can beat Derby by 75.5 points at Newton and be ranked below them in your final team rankings! Very interesting! crazy

Good point RJW1 Also according to your rankings

Derby is ranked 2nd at 103 about 20 points in a tournament 10th at 140 about 2 points in a sixteen man bracket and 2nd at 171 20pts. at total of 42 points.

Colby 10th at 112 2 points, 1st at 171 24 pts. 6th at 189 7 pts. 1st at 215 24pts. 57pts total.

In a mythical all class tournament in which all these wrestlers were to wrestle and keep placing points out to 6th place. Then Colby would have a total of 57 pts. to Derby's 42 points. Puts Colby ahead of Derby not to mention we were 2 and half points behind Emporia at Newton and beat Derby by the above mentioned 75.5 points at Newton.

Am I Missing something Chief?
Posted By: RJW1

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/06/09 04:22 PM

Originally Posted By: MAS
Originally Posted By: RJW1
Hard to believe Colby can beat Derby by 75.5 points at Newton and be ranked below them in your final team rankings! Very interesting! crazy

Good point RJW1 Also according to your rankings

Derby is ranked 2nd at 103 about 20 points in a tournament 10th at 140 about 2 points in a sixteen man bracket and 2nd at 171 20pts. at total of 42 points.

Colby 10th at 112 2 points, 1st at 171 24 pts. 6th at 189 7 pts. 1st at 215 24pts. 57pts total.

In a mythical all class tournament in which all these wrestlers were to wrestle and keep placing points out to 6th place. Then Colby would have a total of 57 pts. to Derby's 42 points. Puts Colby ahead of Derby not to mention we were 2 and half points behind Emporia at Newton and beat Derby by the above mentioned 75.5 points at Newton.

Am I Missing something Chief?


The only thing your missing is that Colby is also ranked at 103 in the all-class rankings!
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/06/09 04:35 PM

Colby ROCKS! ;-)
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/06/09 08:37 PM

Originally Posted By: MAS
Originally Posted By: RJW1
Hard to believe Colby can beat Derby by 75.5 points at Newton and be ranked below them in your final team rankings! Very interesting! crazy

Good point RJW1 Also according to your rankings

Derby is ranked 2nd at 103 about 20 points in a tournament 10th at 140 about 2 points in a sixteen man bracket and 2nd at 171 20pts. at total of 42 points.

Colby 10th at 112 2 points, 1st at 171 24 pts. 6th at 189 7 pts. 1st at 215 24pts. 57pts total.

In a mythical all class tournament in which all these wrestlers were to wrestle and keep placing points out to 6th place. Then Colby would have a total of 57 pts. to Derby's 42 points. Puts Colby ahead of Derby not to mention we were 2 and half points behind Emporia at Newton and beat Derby by the above mentioned 75.5 points at Newton.

Am I Missing something Chief?


At one point during the year, I changed the criteria for the Team Rankings. That change reflected a Grand State scenario. Due to popular demand, I reverted back to a scenario where the entire team would be represented. If you look at the individual placers for each team and assign point totals for each of the medalists, it will get you pretty close to my top ten team ranking. Once you do that, you have to consider the strength of each of those brackets. That's where the subjectivity creeped in. Knowledgable subjectivity that is!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/06/09 09:00 PM

I just looked at my notes and it was extremely close between those teams. Reinhart, Little, Curry, Kuipers, Carpenter and Westmoreland would score points on the backside for Derby. As close as those points are, I will look at that again. It does seem like Arnberger and Kriss with titles, would edge them ahead. I know that Feldkamp injury defaulted at Newton after losing to Nelson.
Posted By: EMPhwt

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/07/09 12:44 AM

the loss was to patenaude same meet i lost to starnes. and i'm not trying to take anything from burns he's a good wrestler but i was only wondering if he had lost to finney before.
Posted By: OnHwt10

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/07/09 02:14 PM

I think the last time I wrestled burns was my freshman year at basor and it was a first period fall.
Posted By: RJW1

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/07/09 06:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
I just looked at my notes and it was extremely close between those teams. Reinhart, Little, Curry, Kuipers, Carpenter and Westmoreland would score points on the backside for Derby. As close as those points are, I will look at that again. It does seem like Arnberger and Kriss with titles, would edge them ahead. I know that Feldkamp injury defaulted at Newton after losing to Nelson.


Feldkamp did default for 3rd and 4th, but not after he lost to Nelson, which means he could have socred 4 more points at Newton. Weren't all those guys wrestling when Colby beat them by 75.5 points at Newton? You say it is extremely close in your notes, but it sure wasn't very close at Newton!

I guess it does not really matter the more thought I give this situation as they don't give out trophies based on your rankings, but it seems to me your credibility as a ranker takes a big hit when you rank Colby behind a team they beat so badly at a major tourney, not to mention Clay Center behind them as well. Maybe that is my Colby bias speaking or maybe it is my common sense that recognizes your apparent big school bias at work??
Posted By: titan dad

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/08/09 01:14 PM

I don't think that Tank wrestled Basehor his freshman yr. Moore wrestled varsity that yr. I think that the last time he wrestled Vincent was kids wrestling probably in Pittsburg.
Posted By: OnHwt10

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/08/09 06:06 PM

oh yeah thats right
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/08/09 09:05 PM

FINAL 2008-09 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS!


TEAM RANKINGS:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Derby - 6A
5. Lansing - 5A
6. Bishop Carroll - 5A
7. Smith Center - 321A
8. Clay Center - 4A
9. Maize - 6A
10t. Abilene - 4A
10t. Wichita Heights - 6A



103
1. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TM - 321A
5. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
7. Konnor Kriss - 9 - CB - 4A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Ty Kolterman - 9 - CC - 4A
10. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A


112
1. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
10t. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
10t. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
7. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
10. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Zach Peters - 12 - AU - 4A
5. Devon Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Steven Plott - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Tyson Schmidtberger - 11 - RUS - 4A
10. Kyle Johnson - 10 - COL - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Josh Umscheid - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Cody Wildin - 11 - MA - 321A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10t. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A


135
1t. C.J. Napier - 12 - COL - 4A
1t. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Vance Oliver - 11 - WIN - 5A
9. Beau Hentzen - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Dillon Stucky - 11 - SC - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Zach Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
7. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
8. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. John Lynch - 12 - LA - 321A
10t. Trevor Oliver - 11 - OS - 321A
10t. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Quinton Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
10. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
3. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
10. Cullen Demerest - 11 - LS - 5A


160:
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
8. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Anson Worrell - 12 - BVNW - 6A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
6. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
7. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
8. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
9. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
10. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
3. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
6. Treat Bugbee - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Brandon Reif - 12 - WC - 6A
9. Sawyer Krone - 12 - BE - 321A
10t. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GD - 321A
10t. Jarad Sanches - 12 - SMW - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steve Kyler - 12 - ES - 321A
4. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
5. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
6. Taylor Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Levi Kindel - 12 - CON - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A
10. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A


285
1. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
2. Tank Burns - 11 - COL - 4A
3. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 11 - EMP - 5A
5. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
6. Jared Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
7. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Dennis Devader - 12 - HOL - 4A
9. Cody Huffman - 12 - DO - 321A
10. Dillon Salmans - 10 - HOX - 321A


I will still accept any material criteria that could change these results.

*THESE RANKINGS ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH KWCA*
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/08/09 09:13 PM

Originally Posted By: RJW1
Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
I just looked at my notes and it was extremely close between those teams. Reinhart, Little, Curry, Kuipers, Carpenter and Westmoreland would score points on the backside for Derby. As close as those points are, I will look at that again. It does seem like Arnberger and Kriss with titles, would edge them ahead. I know that Feldkamp injury defaulted at Newton after losing to Nelson.


Feldkamp did default for 3rd and 4th, but not after he lost to Nelson, which means he could have socred 4 more points at Newton. Weren't all those guys wrestling when Colby beat them by 75.5 points at Newton? You say it is extremely close in your notes, but it sure wasn't very close at Newton!

I guess it does not really matter the more thought I give this situation as they don't give out trophies based on your rankings, but it seems to me your credibility as a ranker takes a big hit when you rank Colby behind a team they beat so badly at a major tourney, not to mention Clay Center behind them as well. Maybe that is my Colby bias speaking or maybe it is my common sense that recognizes your apparent big school bias at work??


After running through each bracket at State, I have given the edge to Colby and have moved them up to #3. A question for you Rick... What would be the upside for me to have a big school bias? Why would I care how big the school is? Certainly the level of competition comes into play, but especially in 4A that is not an issue. I applied a point system to each team's State placer's and then looked at the strength of the brackets. I just can't imagine someone having a motivated preference for schools based on enrollment and every time I hear that it makes me laugh a bit.
Posted By: RJW1

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/09/09 12:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade

After running through each bracket at State, I have given the edge to Colby and have moved them up to #3. A question for you Rick... What would be the upside for me to have a big school bias? Why would I care how big the school is? Certainly the level of competition comes into play, but especially in 4A that is not an issue. I applied a point system to each team's State placer's and then looked at the strength of the brackets. I just can't imagine someone having a motivated preference for schools based on enrollment and every time I hear that it makes me laugh a bit.


I'm not sure your big school bias is intentional, just a result of where you are, the State tournament you attended, and the schools you watch most of the year. I don't think you have some evil plan to under rank the smaller schools from West of where you live and see all year, it just happens at times in my opinion.

No person on earth is capable of not having some bias in their opinion and I would have never said a word about it except it seemed a little ridiculous that Colby (and even Clay Center) were ranked below a team that they both beat so badly at a major tournament. You are always saying to provide criteria and you will take that into consideration (which you apparently have now done) so that is what I did.

I hope you know that if we had never seen Derby anywhere, I would have never pointed anything out because when there is no criteria, your opinion is what it is and cannot be spoken against. I also want you to know that I am not one of those people who would say "these are a joke" or whatever those people who have no criteria to point to say, but I felt like your ranking said one thing and the criteria said another. That is what I meant by a big school bias (but not an evil plan)!
Posted By: moeder

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/09/09 12:30 AM

Chief, its called seizing the moment/or the "15 minutes" of fame. Will not be an issue in the future. Do not lose any sleep over it. Please continue your rankings next year even though your creditibility holds no substance since you are so prejudicial....:)
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/28/09 10:48 PM

FINAL FINAL 2008-09 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS!


TEAM RANKINGS:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Derby - 6A
5. Lansing - 5A
6. Bishop Carroll - 5A
7. Smith Center - 321A
8. Clay Center - 4A
9. Maize - 6A
10t. Abilene - 4A
10t. Wichita Heights - 6A



103
1. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TM - 321A
5. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
7. Konnor Kriss - 9 - CB - 4A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Ty Kolterman - 9 - CC - 4A
10. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A


112
1. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
10t. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
10t. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
7. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
10. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Zach Peters - 12 - AU - 4A
5. Devon Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Steven Plott - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Tyson Schmidtberger - 11 - RUS - 4A
10. Kyle Johnson - 10 - COL - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Josh Umscheid - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Cody Wildin - 11 - MA - 321A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10t. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A


135
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. C.J. Napier - 12 - COL - 4A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Vance Oliver - 11 - WIN - 5A
9. Beau Hentzen - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Dillon Stucky - 11 - SC - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Zach Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
7. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
8. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. John Lynch - 12 - LA - 321A
10t. Trevor Oliver - 11 - OS - 321A
10t. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Quinton Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
10. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
3. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
10. Cullen Demerest - 11 - LS - 5A


160:
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
8. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Anson Worrell - 12 - BVNW - 6A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
6. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
7. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
8. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
9. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
10. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
3. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
6. Treat Bugbee - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Brandon Reif - 12 - WC - 6A
9. Sawyer Krone - 12 - BE - 321A
10t. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GD - 321A
10t. Jarad Sanches - 12 - SMW - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steve Kyler - 12 - ES - 321A
4. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
5. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
6. Taylor Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Levi Kindel - 12 - CON - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A
10. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A


285
1. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
2. Tank Burns - 11 - COL - 4A
3. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 11 - EMP - 5A
5. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
6. Jared Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
7. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Dennis Devader - 12 - HOL - 4A
9. Cody Huffman - 12 - DO - 321A
10. Dillon Salmans - 10 - HOX - 321A

Posted By: XGHSWC

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/31/09 01:00 PM

Originally Posted By: sum876
these rankings are a joke


They are as long as Windham of Derby is not #1 at 103.
Posted By: badbo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/31/09 02:05 PM

Windham is a great wrestler, but why are the rankings a joke as long as he is not #1. He won in a weak class and was 2-2 against Waters and 1-0 against Seybold. Bo beat the #3,#4 all class in route to win 5A and was 1-0 against Watters and 1-1 against Seybold. To me it could go either way. Obviously I am biased, so if you want to put Windham #1 who cares, but it certainly is not a joke that he is not. To me what you are saying is Bo is a joke and that is offensive for all he has accomplished. I would be fine with your stating you think Windham should be #1, but to post more than once with words like the 103 is a joke is offensive.

I also believe that the top 5 are all within a fraction of each other, that if done all again it could shake out differently. I completely respect all these kids. I am just saying this is the way it shook out, and to say it's a joke takes away from their accomplishments.

Mike Pursel
Posted By: Mr. Me

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/31/09 02:26 PM

i agree on badbo because there are alot of weight classes in the rankings that could go the other way

man i really wish we could have a grand state would be great to see some match-ups
Posted By: wrestle007

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/31/09 02:33 PM

to the guy who thinks they are a joke because windham isn't #1-

whats his criteria over pursel? they both went 38-2, they were both state champs, no head to head and no obviously common opponent advantage either way. that ranking is coin flip and it comes down to personal opinion. chief's personal opinion is no more of a joke than yours. the only way you can say these rankings are "wrong" is if you can provide obvious criteria for windham being number one than please do. otherwise shut your mouth.
Posted By: XGHSWC

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/31/09 06:28 PM

I think we all know that Bo is totally legit. I certainly do because my son has been in more than one of his brackets over the years. Bo is one of the most skilled and accomplished wrestlers that I have ever witnessed wrestle. I certainly mean no disrespect to Bo. Like I said, Bo is totally legit.
You say that what I said about Windham disrespects Bo and could be offensive. Well do you not think that it would be offensive to Windham to know that he was ranked behind Bo and did not even get a chance to wrestle him and prove otherwise. The thought of Bo being ranked behind Windham should not be an offensive thought to Bo or anyone else also. If it were, then wouldn't Watters and Seybold already be offended.
Bo is a great wrestler. He is an even better kid and I would never say anything to intentionally disrespect Bo. It is not about Bo, it is about Windham.
Additionally of course, the "weak class" comment is very offensive Mr. Pot calling the Kettle Black. I do not see how you could base the ranking decision on Windham being in a "weak class" because that would be absurd. The statement "weak class" itself is absurd. The kid that was 5th in Windham's bracket beat the 4A runnerup. Another kid in the alledged "weak bracket" has beaten the 3,2,1A runnerup and he did not even place in Windham's bracket. Are you prepared to say that those brackets were weak as well? Another kid who was JV this year to the kid who beat the 3,2,1A runnerup mentioned beat a medalist from Bo's bracket 3 times this year. The said 3,2,1A runnerup also beat the 4th place medalist in Bo's bracket. Bo beat Witten 12-7. Did you see what Windham did to Witten at state?
I am certainly sorry now that I said anything. I knew that I should have bitten my tongue because I did not want to start a mud sling. But honestly, I am tired of seeing Windham not get his dues. Yes, Windham lost to Watters but he beat him the last two times and Windham did beat Seybold. If anything, they should at least have been tied and I would not have said anything. I see nothing that would warrant Windham not being #1.
And wrestle007, you can shut your mouth because I already have provided "criteria" for Windham being #1 and I just provided more. I have still seen nothing, "criteria" as you put it, to justify Bo being ranked over Windham. Also, I have seen nothing to warrant the "weak class" comment as well and I also gave results that would refute that.
But again, there was no disrespect or offense intended to Bo. The comments were more about giving Windham his dues. Perhaps I should not have used the "joke" comment but I was quoting someone else. It seemed appropriate based on my feelings about Windham and his accomplishments.
Congratulations to Bo for another Kid's State Title and best wishes at Brute Nationals.
And congratulations to Windham for having a stellar senior year. What a way to go out.
Posted By: badbo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/31/09 07:22 PM

As I stated as well I would have no issue with Windham #1, I was only taking offense to the "joke" comment. We have both said our piece. I have no hard feelings. Good luck to you and your son.
Posted By: XGHSWC

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/31/09 07:32 PM

Originally Posted By: badbo
As I stated as well I would have no issue with Windham #1, I was only taking offense to the "joke" comment. We have both said our piece. I have no hard feelings. Good luck to you and your son.



Thank you, you too.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 03/31/09 08:06 PM

Well, at least that was settled.
Posted By: wrestle007

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/01/09 02:42 AM

same record, both champs, no head to head, no common opponents that decide things...you really think theres any criteria that clearly establishes one above the other?
Posted By: Stevie08

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/01/09 02:16 PM

Should just be a tie
Posted By: XGHSWC

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/06/09 07:17 PM

Congratulations to Roger Windham of Derby for finishing 3rd at the very prestigous Senior Nationals. Not bad for not even being ranked #1 in your own state. I believe that this proves my point that Windham should be #1 even on the all-mighty, all-seeing, all-knowing Chief Renegade's Mythical Top Ten list unless you believe someone else in his weight could have placed 3rd. Again, no hating or disrespect intended. Windham deserves his dues.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/06/09 08:22 PM

Congrats to Roger! He had a fantastic career and I wish him much success in college! We did have a National Champion that was also ranked #2 in his state in CJ Napier. Both of those weights could have went either way, so a decision was made based purely on observation. I'd be glad to go through my thoughts in detail through a PM if you would like.

Roger does definitely deserve his dues!
Posted By: BigPin22

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/07/09 02:53 PM

Windaham is certainly good, but how many seniors are actually at 103lbs. Getting 3rd at senior nationals is a great accomplishment, however there are many underclassmen at such a small weight that could easily compete in that division. It has nothing to do with in state ranking for all age groups.

Are you saying that Pursel, Seybold, and Watters would not have been able to place at that tournament?

Senior nationals at 103lbs. is not near as deep as nationals for underclassmen at that weight!
Posted By: badbo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/07/09 03:18 PM

Put Windham #1 and let's be done with it. Bo doesn't really care.

Mike Pursel
Posted By: BigPin22

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/07/09 03:29 PM

If Chief lets certain parents decide who is ranked instead of his own personal opinion the rankings would lose any sort of credibility. He puts a lot of time and energy into his work. They are his informed opinions. I don't know why people get upset over this.

Windham will not be on the rankings for much longer anyways. Let XGHSWC keep crying. These are last years rankings. There are three stud freshman waiting in the wings!!!!!
Posted By: Jeremy Molloy

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/07/09 03:53 PM

Originally Posted By: BigPin22
If Chief lets certain parents decide who is ranked instead of his own personal opinion the rankings would lose any sort of credibility. He puts a lot of time and energy into his work. They are his informed opinions. I don't know why people get upset over this.

Windham will not be on the rankings for much longer anyways. Let him keep crying. These are last years rankings. There are three stud freshman waiting in the wings!!!!!
What is your problem with Windham? I dont see where he is crying and I doubt he gives a crap about these rankings. He won a state title and earned AA status and is now choosing what college to attend. The person on here supporting him is XGHSWC. Which if Im not mistaken is X goddard wrestling coach
Posted By: BigPin22

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/07/09 03:58 PM

It was not directed towards Windham at all, it was directed towards XGHSWC. I am sure Windham could care less. I wish XGHSWC would stop dragging his name through this.
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/07/09 04:03 PM

Originally Posted By: badbo
Put Windham #1 and let's be done with it. Bo doesn't really care.

Mike Pursel


Classic!

Let a young man like Bo help us old dudes get our priorities straight. I love it! Thanks Mike.
Posted By: XGHSWC

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/07/09 05:45 PM

Way to take away from Windhams accomplishment BigPinhead22. I knew that at least someone couldn't resist hating.
No, Pursel, Seybold and Watters are still just as fabulous, and don't forget Schumacher.

I know Bo doesn't care. I talked to him again at Brute and he is still that same wonderful humble kid that I have talked to every other time in the past. I am sure that he is just as fantastic of a wrestler as he was before as well. I am sure also that he is taking the discussion much better than the "adults" appear to be taking it. Windham does not care either I am sure.

No hating to Chief Renegade as I know that he puts in lots of time and energy. That is obvious. But quite frankly, I am sure that I know more about the 103 pounders than he does as my son has wrestled all of them, many this year. I know that he is more informed about the other weights and that is why I have not responded about them.
And no one is getting upset, Windham deserves his dues. Windham is a great kid like Bo. Windham has not said a thing either BigPinhead22 so why would you say "Let him keep crying."? Great immature response.

Chief Renegade, thanks for the appropriate mature response. I am done with this, there is nothing left to say.
Posted By: XGHSWC

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/07/09 05:59 PM

Nice move Bigpinhead22. That is some slick back tracking.
Way to edit your original post while I was writing my response to make it look like you said "Let XGHSWC keep crying" when we all know that you said "Let him keep crying" as verified in Molloy's response containing your quote. I will say though that for the sake of argument you were not directing it at Windham as you say. But clearly there no defense for this comment below.

Originally Posted By: BigPin22
Windaham is certainly good, but how many seniors are actually at 103lbs. Getting 3rd at senior nationals is a great accomplishment, however there are many underclassmen at such a small weight that could easily compete in that division. It has nothing to do with in state ranking for all age groups.

Senior nationals at 103lbs. is not near as deep as nationals for underclassmen at that weight!
Posted By: WillyM

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/07/09 06:15 PM

Did Pursell wrestle the Brute? Did not see his name on the list of wrestlers on the Brute web page.
Posted By: BigPin22

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/07/09 06:30 PM

"Let him keep crying" was a reference to you. You are "him" dipshat!

As for my other comment, I don't need to defend it. It's a fact. Sorry that the truth upsets you.

In our state alone we have 8 freshmen ranked in the top ten all class ranking at 103lbs. and only 2 seniors.

62.5% of the 103lbs. state placers were freshmen.
79.2% of the 103lbs. state placers were freshmen and sophmores.
This weight class is clearly dominated by underclassmen!

That does not mean they are not studs, they are simply young studs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Jeremy Molloy

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/07/09 08:50 PM

The reason it is mostly underclassmen is because most seniors grow. Most not all. I guess by your reasoning those seniors that are small are not studs.
Posted By: BigPin22

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/07/09 10:22 PM

No, they are still studs! There are just a lot fewer of them!!!
Posted By: badbo

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/08/09 12:18 AM

Bo did not wrestle at Brute. His sister was playing volleyball next door so he went over to watch for a little bit. Great job to all who competed.
Posted By: XGHSWC

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/08/09 02:21 PM

Ok, Wow!

My involvement in this thread was not about you BigPin22 and your stats. When I said there was no excuse for your comment, I did not mean the clerical aspect of it, I meant the derogatory nature of it. Do you not get that?

Here is what it was about, giving Roger Windham his dues. My opinion is that he should be #1. He has done everything that he could have and should have to, in my opinion, to deserve that bestowment (I do realize that the same could be said for Bo, Bo is clearly special). But I can have an opinion just like Chief. Others have had opinions on this thread contradictory to Chief, so can I. The responses on the threads add some "life" to it. It is fun, interesting and entertaining. I do not expect everyone to agree with me and I certainly didn't make the comment because I expected Chief to agree. I just felt that alot of people do not realize how good Windham really was this year, especially down the stretch. So I was compelled to tell them. Windham just got better and better. At the end of the year, there was no "criteria" that I could see that would show that Windham should not be #1 (again I realize the same could be said for Bo). I guess I should not have brought up the Senior Nationals. But it was another way for me to say, "Hey, look how good Windham is!". I know he is a Senior and 103 is loaded more with stud freshmen. Like I said, my son has been wrestling them for years. That did not need to come up.

Your comments were unneccesary. You really did not even need to comment. There was no need to defend Bo or any other of the fabulous freshman. Believe me, I know how good Pursel, Seybold, Watters, etc. are. It was supposed to be about recognizing Windham. Your comments were derogatory and they took away from his accomplishment. You were more concerned about slamming me than how your comments offended others. It is ok though, you are not alone, others did that as well with previous comments. I myself even made a couple of comments that perhaps would have been offensive if I had been on the other side of them. But again, they were truly designed to promote Windham and not offend others. I thought that I had clarified that previously but just in case I did not make that point, I am again now. I should have let it go, but people were responding with derogatory comments which I felt needed to be addressed. I hope that everyone feels better and will stop the negativity.

I just should have created my own top ten and posted it and everyone could slam me which I would not have enjoyed. There would probably still be people that would be derogatory and offensive to others in their attempt to get me or prove their point and that would be sad. But one thing is for sure, in the end, at the top of the list, would still be, Roger Windham #1.
Posted By: jimmie

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/08/09 02:25 PM

You guys are like a soap opera, who cares, leave it alone and let it be.
Posted By: Dean Welsh

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/08/09 03:58 PM

We can call this soap opera, "The Old and the Restless". Or, better yet - take Bo's advice and get a life.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/29/09 02:48 AM

In honor of the 2008-09 #1 ranked All-Class wrestlers, I have decided to reward them with a T-shirt signifying their accomplishment and look forward to continuing this tradition for years to come. I had thought about starting this next year but am now having shirts made for each of these 14 wrestlers. I hope to have them finished by the Park Hill Duals on May 16th and will mail or deliver them to each wrestler that finished #1 in my final rankings on March 28th.

103 - Bo Pursel
112 - Taylor Moeder
119 - Nathan Furches
125 - Chase Nitcher
130 - Ryne Cokeley
135 - Kendric Maple
140 - Parker Madl
145 - Mitchell Means
152 - Chris Watson
160 - Tyler Caldwell
171 - Breck Arnberger
189 - Boaz Beard
215 - Tanner Kriss
285 - Lucas Vincent
Posted By: yzgi

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/29/09 12:23 PM

Thats cool Chief.
Posted By: thebest

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/29/09 03:06 PM

Chief I'm wondering how you have Vincent at Number 1 in the all class ranking since Finney pinned him at The Bobcat? Just want some thought into the process
Posted By: XGHSWC

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/29/09 04:04 PM

Yes, especially now that there is a cool shirt on the line.
Its one thing when they are just names on the Chief proclaimed list, but it is a horse of a different color when someone is actually going to produce something to give to them that they can promote in public. The shirt is a really cool idea though Chief, I have to give it to you on that one. Congratulations go to everyone on your list, they are all very deserving. I do commend you once again for your efforts with the list which I admit I really have enjoyed following. I also commend you for your generosity Chief, but you know that I expect Windham to get a shirt as well, with his name on it.
Posted By: yzgi

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/29/09 04:51 PM

Chief, I'd have no problem paying for Mitchell's shirt, just let me know how much. I also wouldn't mind paying for one for myself if it was possible.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 04/30/09 03:21 PM

An interesting twist on the shirt idea....

According to Rule 20 Article 2 of KSHSAA's rules, I can go ahead with the shirts but they must be purchased by the recipient. Once I get them done, I will notify each wrestler on the roster.

Onward and upward!

- Chief
Posted By: lakemats

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 02:55 AM

really? a t-shirt for a ranking? whats next? "runner-up" on the back of my old timers jv torney t-shirt? appreciate the rankings all year. but a reward for your vote as the #1 ranked wrestler i find a little egotistical.
Posted By: wrestle007

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 02:57 AM

i dont see why not. while these rankings aren't necessarily official they are heavily followed, they are educated rankings, and they bring a lot of interest. i think these rankings are just as legit as anything else and i don't see why kids shouldn't be rewarded by the ranker if he so chooses.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 03:30 AM

Originally Posted By: lakemats
really? a t-shirt for a ranking? whats next? "runner-up" on the back of my old timers jv torney t-shirt? appreciate the rankings all year. but a reward for your vote as the #1 ranked wrestler i find a little egotistical.


That's it Tim. No Silver Lake wrestlers will be ranked next year.... wink
Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 03:42 AM

Originally Posted By: lakemats
really? a t-shirt for a ranking? whats next? "runner-up" on the back of my old timers jv torney t-shirt? appreciate the rankings all year. but a reward for your vote as the #1 ranked wrestler i find a little egotistical.


I think it is awesome. Way better than an a piece of paper for Regional OW. I am still appalled that Rabid Rick dug deep to find a lame excuse to not allow the shirts to be given for nothing. I am assuming the Seniors could have them without paying since they are untouchable at this point. What the heck would KSHSAA due, suspend you from competing because someone gave you a t-shirt. Absolutely ridiculous.
Posted By: lakemats

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 03:57 AM

chief, i think you have the wrong horgan. honestly, you're handing out a t-shirt based on your opinion of the kid? dont come at me with these are "educated rankings". of course they are but what is accomplished by your ranking? you get a medal for being ranked? a prize just seems a little overboard thats all. look forward to your input next year.
Tim Horgan
Silver Lake
Posted By: Curtis Chenoweth

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 06:44 AM

I wouldn't say Chief's rankings have to much opinion in them at all. He does tons of research on all the kids all year long finding out who beats who and who places higher than who, finding common competition, etc etc. I would say the research he does proves how unopinionated his rankings really are.
As for the shirts, why not? I think it's a pretty cool idea, and it can help get some of our elite wrestlers out for f/s and greco. If Chief's rankings are held in high regard, and a reward is a possible outcome of it, then maybe that incentive can help motivate them to come out and prove themselves during the summer.
Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 10:13 AM

Originally Posted By: lakemats
chief, i think you have the wrong horgan. honestly, you're handing out a t-shirt based on your opinion of the kid? dont come at me with these are "educated rankings". of course they are but what is accomplished by your ranking? you get a medal for being ranked? a prize just seems a little overboard thats all. look forward to your input next year.
Tim Horgan
Silver Lake


I cannot think of any reason why you should even care? Are you jealous because you aren't getting one or because you didn't come up with the idea. Applaud the Chief for his passion and outside of the box thinking that does nothing less than promote wrestling. I am assuming that if you are reading this forum you love wrestling so embrace those who share your love of our great sport and roll with it! Promotion is critical to the survival of wrestling and we should not be throwing stones at anyone who is willing to DONTATE his time to recognize our kids' extreme efforts. Keep up the GREAT work Chief.
Posted By: RJW1

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 12:44 PM

Originally Posted By: lakemats
you get a medal for being ranked?



No you get a t-shirt and I think this is really cool. I know the Colby kids who got their medals for being undefeated state champions think a t-shirt for being the overall #1 ranked wrestler in their weight class is pretty darn cool. Thanks a ton Chief!
Posted By: Stevie08

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 02:11 PM

Would anyone care if I made runner-up or co-champion shirts for Roger Windham, Chaz Lawrence, Trent Cox and Cade Blair since there is no clear cut reason as to why they don't hold a #1 ranking?
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 02:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Stevie08
Would anyone care if I made runner-up or co-champion shirts for Roger Windham, Chaz Lawrence, Trent Cox and Cade Blair since there is no clear cut reason as to why they don't hold a #1 ranking?


I would guess that Roger, Chaz, Trent and Cade would care.
Posted By: Stevie08

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 02:53 PM

Perhaps they want one and feel there is no reason they shouldn't get one.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 03:22 PM

I would guess they wouldn't want one.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 03:24 PM

I know most of these wrestlers e-mails and t-shirt sizes, but please PM me with that info if you haven't already. There will only be 14 shirts made, so as to keep them exclusive. I will let you know the cost and mail them if necessary by May 18th.

Thanks!


103 - Bo Pursel
112 - Taylor Moeder
119 - Nathan Furches
125 - Chase Nitcher
130 - Ryne Cokeley
135 - Kendric Maple
140 - Parker Madl
145 - Mitchell Means
152 - Chris Watson
160 - Tyler Caldwell
171 - Breck Arnberger
189 - Boaz Beard
215 - Tanner Kriss
285 - Lucas Vincent
Posted By: Stevie08

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
I would guess they wouldn't want one.

My opinion is that this entire idea is ridiculous.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 05:56 PM

Ridiculously good or bad?
Posted By: Stevie08

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 06:06 PM

Bad. I know many are relevant rankings, but it seems as with those ones you are rewarding your bias. I suppose it is your deal, however, so do what you want with your godly rankings.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 06:24 PM

Bad for who?

Stevie,

22% of your lifetime posts on this forum have been on this All-Class thread. In what way do you see them as Godly?
Posted By: Cokeley

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Stevie08
Bad. I know many are relevant rankings, but it seems as with those ones you are rewarding your bias. I suppose it is your deal, however, so do what you want with your godly rankings.


There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with what the Chief is doing. Someday these same kids will get overlooked for a promotion or something else they may strive to achieve. Throughout life you will be confronted with situations where there exists more subjectivity than objectivity. It is okay to fall short of what you want, it builds character. Isn't that what we are ultimately doing here? Preparing today's youth for tomorrow's harsh realities? If you don't agree with Chief's rankings then perhaps next year we can see the Stevie08 rankings. I tried to do all of the 4A weights and it took WAY too much time so I cannot even imagine how much Eric invests into the integrity of his rankings. Again, our sport needs all of us who are passionate to rally together to promote and support not to throw stones at someone who gives more than most to our sport. Respect his efforts and if you don't like the results do something positive for wrestling instead of taking shots at the Chief.
Posted By: XGHSWC

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 07:04 PM

Those "others" mentioned probably would want a shirt, why wouldn't they? They would obviously not be alone. Apparently there are others that feel they should get one as well. I definately want Windham to get one. But forget runnerup. Windham deserves no less than Co.
As I have already stated though, I really do enjoy the Chief list and I do "applaud" him for his passion/efforts and "outside of the box thinking" but yes, they are opinions. I do believe that Chief probably knows more about the overall picture. He probably knows more about most of the weights than I do, but no, he does not know more about my son's weight than I do (unless his son was at the same weight). My son has wrestled all of the list-makers at his weight, most this year, or at least been in their bracket. I have seen all of them wrestle many times over the last 10 years and I have studied the results from competitions this year that I was not able to bear witness to. There would obviously be someone just like me that could speak about the weight that their son/grandson/brother/etc wrestled at.
I am not trying to hate, this is supposed to be a positive thing. I am just tired of all of the justifications/excuses for the supreme legitimacy of the Chief list and then the derogatory comments directed at others who might not totally agree with "the list". The list is what it is, Chief's opinion. I do agree with the overall list as the best possible representation of what Kansas has to offer based on opinion, but obviously see some possible discrepancies and warranted disagreements. But that's ok. Keep doing what you are doing, etc, Chief because I certainly follow the list and enjoy it. I already look forward to the list next year.
Now let the mud fly!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 07:07 PM

See, now that was a legitimate post. Healthy discussion is always great for the sport.
Posted By: Stevie08

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 07:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
Bad for who?

Stevie,

22% of your lifetime posts on this forum have been on this All-Class thread. In what way do you see them as Godly?

Obviously, the "godly rankings" (hint no capitalization of the word) was sarcasm. It's not that I think your rankings are awful, it's just I see no reason why some are set the way they are. Before you ask me to give criteria for why I think that, give me some for why you have chosen to give certain people criteria over others with no head to head. Example, both Blair and Madl lost to Dozier. Neither of them lost any other matches all season. Both state champs, Blair's second. What gives Madl superiority over Blair? Should they not be co-champions such as Maple and Napier were before their head to head? And now that there is a "prize" involved in reaching the apex of your rankings, why would it not be argued that some others may deserve one too?
Posted By: XGHSWC

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 07:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
See, now that was a legitimate post. Healthy discussion is always great for the sport.


Whew, that's a relief.
Posted By: Svo69

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 07:48 PM

I think it's a great idea.

You know, every kid who has ever been fortunate enough to break into the chief's "all-class rankings" will probably cherish that exalted status and memory for a life-time.

Some time back, someone (maybe the chief) said that "it" (i.e. the "all-class rankings") "belonged to them" (i.e. any kid who, if for a brief period of time, broke into the rankings), and I thought that was so true. Shoot, from my high school athletic career, I can remember meaningless details of absolutely no importance to anyone, but me and my family. Does anyone truely labor under the delusion that even mention in the chief's all-class rankings hold no allure, or will not forever be impressed in some young athletes (or their family's) memory?

Keep in mind that we don't have a grand state to sort all of this out. Thankfully, We do have the chief. The idea that an athlete was deemed to be one of Kansas's best wrestler's by someone (yeah, it's an opinion), but an extremely educated and researched one, and I can't even fathom the time that the chief has invested toward this worthy endeavor, nor, for that matter why he chooses to put himself "out there")

Sure,the chief's opinions are not state issued hard-ware, but it's pretty exalted recognition for a alot hard work and sacrifice, and it's gives us a pretty good idea how these kids would likely stack up at a grand state. It goes without saying that the chief could be wrong, as on a given night, for most of these truely elite wrestlers, anyone could prevail. So be it.

Mark my words, when the chief has had enough, and decides to check out, the perenial debate as to who is the best at any given weight in the sundry classes will not end. We will simply not have a convenient forum in which to debate, argue and/or discuss the issue.

Anyway, for all of you out there who are critical of the chief for his perceived intrusions into your "order of things", hide and watch: until we ressurect the concept of a grand state, I can't imagine someone willing to step into the chief's shoes and do as credible a job as the chief does,and has done, year-in/year-out.

As an aside, I've never met the Chief; but his regular contributions on this forum have contributed immeasurably to my knowledge and enjoyment of matches in this sport, and for that I'm genuinely grateful.

My son's have graduated. I no longer have anything invested in this sport. I just wanted to weigh in with a sincere not of gratitude to the chief for his contributions to this sport that I have come to love.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 08:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Stevie08
Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
Bad for who?

Stevie,

22% of your lifetime posts on this forum have been on this All-Class thread. In what way do you see them as Godly?

Obviously, the "godly rankings" (hint no capitalization of the word) was sarcasm. It's not that I think your rankings are awful, it's just I see no reason why some are set the way they are. Before you ask me to give criteria for why I think that, give me some for why you have chosen to give certain people criteria over others with no head to head. Example, both Blair and Madl lost to Dozier. Neither of them lost any other matches all season. Both state champs, Blair's second. What gives Madl superiority over Blair? Should they not be co-champions such as Maple and Napier were before their head to head? And now that there is a "prize" involved in reaching the apex of your rankings, why would it not be argued that some others may deserve one too?


Now we are talking. You gave me some criteria without me even asking. Nice job. OK, let's talk about Madl vs. Blair...

Both great wrestlers and the margin is very thin. However...

Madl lost to Dozier in OT after getting tied in regulation with less than 5 seconds to go. Parker was also sick with the flu at that tournament. He then beat Peoples for the 5th time last season after Peoples had just beaten Dozier. The real criteria comes in when you compare the strength of the 140 brackets in 5A vs. 6A. That 6A/140 bracket was one of the toughest brackets in the state in ANY class. The top four wrestlers were Madl, Peoples, Dozier and Shavlik. 5A/140 had Blair, Dikin, Langford and Seibel. All quality wrestlers but as a whole, below 6A. Two other things seperated Madl from Blair. #1 - Madl began the season weighing 138 and never cut weight the entire season, moving up from 119 the prior year. Blair wrestled 160 at Kid's state a month after the HS season. #2 - Madl wrestles 9 months out of the year and was a Fargo All-American in 2008.

After considering this criteria, I ranked Parker Madl #1.
Posted By: Stevie08

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/01/09 08:10 PM

Now I can see where you are coming from, even if I have some disagreement. Now I know why you chose what you did. However, I don't think you can choose that based off of strength of the state bracket. Blair won with what he was given. Had he been 6A, he could have won that just as well. I also don't see what weight cutting has to do with it. They both made the same weight at the same time.

XGHSWC has given many on Windham, and I am still not sure as to why Pursel is ranked higher. Again, if it comes down to strength of the state bracket, which kind of puts down those other placers that may feel like they are just as good as other classes placer, I don't see how that can validate it. Windham won with what was put in front of him, and in stellar fashion.
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 05/05/09 07:59 PM

The design is finished for the All-Class T-shirts and they look fantastic! Thanks to Blue Chip Athletic for the design!

Please e-mail or PM me with your address if you will not be at the Park Hill Duals. If you will be there, I'll have them for you. As soon as I get the total cost per shirt, I will let you know.

Senior shirts are free!
Posted By: Chief Renegade

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking - 06/20/09 04:15 PM

(Bump to end this thread...)

FINAL FINAL 2008-09 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS!


TEAM RANKINGS:

1. Goddard - 6A
2. Emporia - 5A
3. Colby - 4A
4. Derby - 6A
5. Lansing - 5A
6. Bishop Carroll - 5A
7. Smith Center - 321A
8. Clay Center - 4A
9. Maize - 6A
10t. Abilene - 4A
10t. Wichita Heights - 6A



103
1. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
4. Dylan Schumacher - 9 - TM - 321A
5. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
6. Hunter Stalford - 9 - CV - 4A
7. Konnor Kriss - 9 - CB - 4A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Ty Kolterman - 9 - CC - 4A
10. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A


112
1. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
5. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
7. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
8. Trevor Boyer - 11 - MV - 5A
9. Bo Newport - 10 - PV - 4A
10t. Nathan Reed - 11 - CB - 4A
10t. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Zack Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
3. Garrett Jones - 11 - ARK - 5A
4. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
7. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
8. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
9. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
10. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Zach Peters - 12 - AU - 4A
5. Devon Frye - 12 - EU - 321A
6. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
7. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
8. Steven Plott - 11 - SS - 5A
9. Tyson Schmidtberger - 11 - RUS - 4A
10. Kyle Johnson - 10 - COL - 4A


130
1. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
2. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
5. Kash Biddle - 11 - ARK - 5A
6. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
7. Josh Umscheid - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Cody Wildin - 11 - MA - 321A
10t. Aaron Geist - 12 - OS - 321A
10t. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A


135
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. C.J. Napier - 12 - COL - 4A
3. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Cade Hewitt - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Vance Oliver - 11 - WIN - 5A
9. Beau Hentzen - 12 - BC - 5A
10. Dillon Stucky - 11 - SC - 4A


140
1. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
6. Zach Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
7. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
8. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. John Lynch - 12 - LA - 321A
10t. Trevor Oliver - 11 - OS - 321A
10t. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Colby Crank - 12 - HUT - 5A
3. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
4. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
6. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
7. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A
8. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
9. Quinton Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
10. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
3. Blake Fulbright - 12 - MZ - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Marshall McCall - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Reece Wright-Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A
10. Cullen Demerest - 11 - LS - 5A


160:
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. John Hambleton - 11 - LC - 4A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
8. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A
10. Anson Worrell - 12 - BVNW - 6A


171
1. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
5. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
6. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
7. Ryan Taylor - 12 - GL - 321A
8. Chaston Hoeme - 12 - SC - 4A
9. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
10. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
3. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
6. Treat Bugbee - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
8. Brandon Reif - 12 - WC - 6A
9. Sawyer Krone - 12 - BE - 321A
10t. Fernando Martinez - 12 - GD - 321A
10t. Jarad Sanches - 12 - SMW - 6A


215
1. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
2. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
3. Steve Kyler - 12 - ES - 321A
4. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
5. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
6. Taylor Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Levi Kindel - 12 - CON - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A
10. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A


285
1. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
2. Tank Burns - 11 - COL - 4A
3. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 11 - EMP - 5A
5. Trey Page - 11 - WNW - 6A
6. Jared Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
7. Tony Marquez - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Dennis Devader - 12 - HOL - 4A
9. Cody Huffman - 12 - DO - 321A
10. Dillon Salmans - 10 - HOX - 321A
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