Newton TOC

Just wondering if anyone knows if there will be a link for updated brackets this weekend. I'm hoping the tournament directors will be using something like that PED software.By all rights I'm hoping both Newton and the bobcat use it.

Anyone out there have the time to list the ranked wrestlers in each weight for Newton like it was done for the Bobcat?

Partial list here.

Tim, that sounds like a job for Chief!!

Cut off Zach Callahan for some reason and won't let me edit.

275-
6. Callahan MV ,,

I wonder if there will be instant replay for the finals. Might save a lot of crying!

Norris from Manhattan will not be wrestling as he is still recovering from an injury.

Ranked teams attending that were left off the list

Clay Center #2 4a
Mill Valley #9 5a
Lawrence #10 6a
Dodge City #5 6a

10 ranked and 3 #1's at 125....Tough bracket right there!!

I'm not sure what happened when I copied and pasted from the word document I created, but I had those teams on the list originally!!

Ranked Teams
Ark City #9 in 5A
Campus #8 in 6A
Colby #8 in 4A
Clay Center #2 4A
Derby #2 in 6A
Dodge City #5 6A
Emporia #1 in 5A
Garden City #3 in 6A
Gardner-Edgerton #7 5A
Lawrence #10 6A
Maize #9 6A
Mill Valley #9 5A
Norton #1 in 321A
Salina South #4 5A
Wichita Heights #7 6A
Wichita NW #6 in 6A


103-
2. Anthony Calderon – GC – 10
5. Will Bardezbain – MZ - 9
5. John Risewick-Norton-9
4. Chris Sullivan–9-HUT
3. Ryan Hodges-11-MV
5. Javier Vierya-10-SS
6. Beau Johnson-10-MCP
6. Dustin Reed – CB - 9

112-
2. Dalton Miller – WC - 12
5. Skyler Olsen – MZ - 11
1. Trevor Boyer-12-MV
2. Tim Prescott-10-MCP
6. Bryce Dakin-10-EMP
2. Nathan Reed – CB – 12

119-
1. Cody Beasley – WC - 11
2. Dane Norris – MH - 11
3. Colby Witten – MZ - 11
1. Blaine Smith-12-SS
2. Adrian Salas-12-LB
5. Colby Watters–10–ARK
6. Jonathan Peterson – HUT
5. Konnor Kriss – CB - 10





125-
1. Daniel DeShazer – WH - 11
4. Jason Harper – WC - 11
5. Zack Vesta – MH - 11
6. Aaron Anguiano – GC - 12
1. Troy Bainter-Norton-11
1. Garrett Jones-12-ARK
3. Steven Plott-12-SS
5. TJ Stokes – 10 – GE
6. Matt Ziegler - - BC
2. Logan Singular – CC - 12

130-
1. Lane Greenlee – GC - 11
2. Skyler McComb – DB - 11
3. Chase Locke – MZ - 10
5. Brandon Vasquez – DC - 12
5. Billy Broeckleman-Norton-10
1. Brandon Charbonneau-10-EMP
3. Miles Johns-10-NEW
5. Spencer Ingermanson-11-SS
5. Jayde Kolterman – CC - 11

135-
2. Uylesses DeShazer – WH – 10
3. Travis Reinhart – DB – 11
4. Trevor Cox – MZ - 10
5. Braxton Medina – GC – 10
1. Kash Biddle-12-ARK
3. Kasey Lein-12-SS
4. JR Roman–12-HUT
6. Dalton Snyder – CB - 10

140-
1. Bradley Little – DB - 11
3. Hunter Edwards – DC – 12
6. Derrik Ortiz – GC - 9
3. Micah Flora-Swick-12-GE
5. Trent Hoover-12-SS
1. Tyler Anderson – CC – 12







145-
1. Joey Dozier – GC - 12
2. Cody Shavlik – DB - 12
4. Justin Blundell – DC - 12
3. Kaenon Keiswetter-Norton-12
1. Chase Sanchez-11-EMP
2. Tyler Davis-12-MCP
6. Sterling Terry–11-ARK
6. Casey Kidwell-12-GE

152-
3. Jonathan Heiman – GC - 10
4. Sean Gaither – WNW - 12
5. Vontez Long – DB – 12
4. Landon Keiswetter-Norton-11
2. Jason Seibel-12-SS
3. Dylan Penka-11-BC
6. Andrew Laib-12-EMP
5. Ethan Stickel – CB - 12

160-
1. Reece Wright-Conklin – LAW - 10
4. Hunter Jameson – WH – 11
5. Ian Whittit – DB - 12
2. Spencer Shirk-Norton-11
1. Todd Curtis-12-GE
3. Logan Gaskill-12-EMP
6. Bryce Marr–12–ARK

171-
3. Matt Reed – WH - 10
4. Aaron DeLeon – GC - 11
5. Tevin Kendall – WNW – 12
6. Dustin Walthall – LAW - 12
3. Zane Perez-Norton-12
1. Devon Keith-11-BC
4. Nathan Flanagin-12-EMP
3. Chance Davis – CC – 12
6. Andrew Flanagin – CB – 11


189-
1. Jace Banner – DC - 12
4. Cole Carpenter – DB - 12
6. Kaid McKenna-Norton-12
3. Jake Akin-12-GE
5. Justin McPhail–10–LIB
5. Zach Anderson – CC – 11

215-
1. Kyle Caylor – WNW - 12
5. Josh Bush – LV - 12
6. Shawn Marlatt – DB - 10
1. Mark Kolmer-12-EMP
4. Leo Beck-11-MV
4. Adam Weber – CB - 12

285-
1. Trey Page – WNW - 12
2. Jesse Trent – DC - 12
3. Xavier Fisher – MH - 12
6. Josh Wilson – LV – 12
1. Lorenzo Serna-12-EMP
6. Zach Callahan–10-MV

All Class Rankings by weight class at Newton

103
9. Dustin Reed Colby
10. Chris Sullivan Hutchinson

112
2. Dalton Miller Campus
4. Trevor Boyer Mill Valley
7. Nathan Reed Colby
8. Hunter Haralson Lawrence
10. Tim Prescott McPherson

119
2. Cody Beasley Campus
3. Blaine Smith Salina South
4. Dane Norris Manhattan (Not Wrestling)
6. Colby Witten Maize
8. Adrian Salas Liberal

125
1. Daniel Deshazer Wichita Heights
3. Garrett Jones Ark City
6. Logan Singular Clay Center
8. Troy Bainter Norton

130
5. Brandon Charbonneau Emporia
7. Miles Johns Newton
9. Steven Plott Salina South (125??)

135
3. Kash Biddle Ark City
8. Ulysses Deshazer Wichita Heights
10. Travis Reinhart Derby

140
1. Tyler Anderson Clay Center
5. Bradley Little Derby
10. Micah Flora-Swick Gardner Edgerton

145
2. Joey Dozier Garden City
3. Cody Shavlik Derby
4. Chase Sanchez Garden City
5. Tyler Davis McPherson

152
6. Landon Keiswetter Norton
8. Jason Seibel Salina South
9. Dylan Penka Bishop Carroll
10. Ethan Stickel Colby

160
3. Reece Wright-Conklin Lawrence
5. Todd Curtis Gardner Edgerton
7. Logan Gaskill Emporia

171
6. Matt Reed Wichita Heights
7. Devon Keith Bishop Carroll
8. Chance Davis Clay Center
9. Zane Perez Norton

189
1. Jace Banner Dodge City
8. Cole Carpenter Derby
10. Zach Anderson Clay Center

215
1. Kyle Caylor Wichita Northwest
2. Mark Kolmer Emporia
8. Josh Bush Leavenworth

285
3. Lorenzo Serna Emporia
4. Trey Page Wichita Northwest

This was according to today's all class rankings!

Looks to be an exciting tourney!! Glad I get to be there!!

Caylor/Kolmer
Smith/Beasley
Miller/Boyer
Dozier/Shavlik

I will be at Basehor. Somebody text me on these matches!

No link huh? bummer, KSHSAA makes enough stupid rules, why cant we have a rule that anyone hosting a tourney must post a link? every school use the same software and we would never have the weekly complaints about results not being turned in.

Here is Quarter finals matchups for 112, 119, 130
112
Dalton Miller Camp vs Skyler Olsen Maize
Ty Kolterman Clay Center vs Tim Prescott McPherson

Trevor Boyer Mil Valley vs Cody Eastman Ark City
Hunter Haralson Lawrence vs Nathan Reed Colby

119
Cody Beasley Campus vs Konnor Kriss Colby
Colt Mcelrot Garden City vs Adrian Salas Liberal

Colby Waters vs Colby Witten Maize
Colin Harington Derby vs Blaine Smith Salina South

130
Brandon Charbonnea Emporia vs Brandon Vasquez Dodge City
Miles Johns Newton vs Taylor Hilger Manhattan

Jayde Kolterman Clay Center vs Skyler McComb Derby
Chase Locke Maize vs Lane Greenlee Carden City

Mel

How is it newton tourny doesnt have a web site and basehor does seems like the small schools got it going on compared to the bigger city ran tournys

On a break from the newton tourny. Quarterfinals going on now. Rankings are going to have alot of changes next week.

Here's what I can recall. 103 Suppes over Bardizbain. Risewick from Norton majored 1st seed Hodges 11-3 Prescott loses in quarters to Clay Center. Sullivan over Viera. Haralson over Reed @112 Waters over Witten @119. Headed back now.

Caylor/Bush in 1 semi at 215

103 Risewick v Sullivan
Calderon v Reed
112 Miller v Kolterman
Boyer v Haralson
119 Beasley v Salas
Watters v Smith
125 Heincker v Stokes
Plott v Jones
130 Charbonneau v Johns
McComb v Greenlee
135 Biddle v Roman
Cox v DeShazer
140 Anderson v Pfannenstiel
Swick v Little
145 Davis v Terry
Shavlic v Dozier
152 Keiswetter v Laib
Pinka v Seibel
160 Conklin v Shirk
Gaskill v Curtis
171 Reed v Flanigan
Kendall v Davis
189 Carpenter v McPhail
Duckens v Anderson
215 Caylor v Bush
Marlett v Kolmer
285 Serna v Fisher
Trent v Page
Semi finals

Thanks to j.dale

103 Reed v Sullivan

112 Miller(18-2) v Boyer(5-4)

119 Smith(inj) v Beasley (9-2)

125 Stokes(fall) v Jones (11-4)

130 Charbonneau (9-7) v Greenlee (11-3)

135 Biddle v DeShazer

140 Anderson (fall?) v Little (12-1)

145 Davis (8-4) v Dozier (3-1 ot)

152 Keiswetter (7-6) v

Penka/Seibel in ot

Penka (8-6)

160 Conklin (8-4) v Gaskill/Curtis in ot

Gaskill (3-2)

171 Reed (7-5) v Davis (5-2)

189 McPhail (7-0) v Anderson

215 Caylor (fall) v Kolmer (8-0)

285 Page (fall) v Serna (5-2)

Derby, Garden, Clay, Emporia, Ark, Norton, Colby

Team standings...

A big thanks to Jerry Dale for taking the time to call all these in. Apologies to my wife.

Matt

There were some very good semi matches that could have went either way.
112 Boyer vs Haralson 5-4
130 Charbonneau vs Johns a 2 point match very very good match
135 Biddle vs Roman 1 point match
145 Dozier vs Shavlik 3-1 alot of defensive wrestling.
152 Keiswetter vs Laib 7-6
152 Penka vs Seibel 8-6 3 ot

Wow, what a match between seibel and penka at 152 pounds in the semis. I know both penka and seibel and it was an amazing match to watch, as i would have to say that the entire crowd thought so too. There was a very controversial call that sent that match to overtime and i believe that Jason got hosed out of his mind. Everyone in the stands knew it and so did the ref. Does anyone feel the same way about this match? Once again great match, i wish the best of luck to these two the rest of the season and hopefully we see a rematch between them at state. Congrats Penka.

we could start another forum about it like coakley/blair or we could let it rest and appriciate the match

Someone is always getting hosed, R.I.P.

Or we could appreciate your ability to spell correctly.

I think we could forgive and overlook a little spelling mistake on a post made at midnight on an internet talk forum! Its not like misspelling is a major crime like say Grand Theft or something!!

Anyone have a complete list of finalist and what time the finals will start?

well heck its close enough to wichita do u think we can sue newton school system for not having live updated brackets the school systems seem to be able to just for about anything

what happened to Watters to injury default?

Finals start at 6

Jones Ark 12-6 Dec Stokes ge

Greenlee gc 4-3 Dec 3ot charbonneau emp

Chewie what was the result of the smith beasley match i havent talked to blaine today

Started @ 125

ok thanks

Biddle Ark Dec 8-6 Deshazer wh

Anderson CC 10-7 Dec little der

Dozier gc 10-7 Dec Davis McPherson

Thanks Chew...

Penka BC 7-4 Dec Keiswetter NT

Gaskill emp 5-4 Dec Wright - conklin law

Atta boy Logan. So proud of you.

Matt

Chewie, do you know how the teams were placed?

Reed wh 7-4 Dec Davis CC

Anderson CC fall 1:58 mcphail lib

Garden city is going to win with 190
Clay center will get second with 164

Kolmer emp 4-2 Dec caylor wnw

Thanks Chewie

Page wnw 3-2 Dec serna emp

Emporia 146
Derby 144
Norton 138

Reed CB 4-2 Dec Sullivan hutch

Colby 123
Arkansas city 109

Add .5 to the scores of emporia and Norton also

Maize 90.5
Wnw 90
Wheights 88

Miller campus 14-5 MD Boyer mv

Liberal 82
Gardner edgerton 81
Hutch 76.5
Mac 72.5
Newton's 71
Lawrence 67
Dodge city 64
Mill valley 52.5
Bishop Carroll 48
Manhattan 41.5
Leavenworth 36
Sm west 16
Maize south 10
Campus 76
Salina. South 105

Beasley campus 9-1 MD Smith SS

Thanks Chewie for posting these results.

Wow. The Campus duo was on fire!

Did Sanchez of Emporia wrestle? He's ranked at 145.

Also, was the Roman at 135 J.R. Roman? He wrestled 145 last year.

come on someone from newton get the results up basehor kinda beat you on that.

I dont have all the scores but here are the results I remember
103 Dustin Reed over Chris Sullivan
112 Dalton Miller Campus1st place over Trevor Boyer 9-2 ?
119 Cody Beasley Campus 1st over Blaine Smith 9-1
125 Jones Ark City 1st over Stokes
130 Greenlee GC 1st over Charbonneau Emporia
135 Biddle Ark City 1st over Deshazer WH
140 Tyler Anderson Clay Center 1st over Bradley Little Derby
145 Joey Dozier GC 1st over Tyler Davis McPherson
152 Dylan Penka BC 1st over Landon Keiswetter Norton
160 ?? 1st over Conklin Lawrence
171 Reed WH 1st
189 Anderson Clay Center 1st
215 Kolmer Emporia 1st over Caylor W.NWST
285 Trey Page W. NWST 1st

Sanchez got 5th I do believe.

Newton Tournament of Champions
Jan. 15-16, 2010

Place Team Score
1. Garden City (GC) 190.0
2. Clay Center (CC) 164.0
3. Emporia 146.5
4. Derby 144.0
5. NORTON 138.5
6. Colby 123.0
7. Ark City 109.0
8. Salina South 105.0
9. Wichita NW 94.0
10. Maize 90.5
11. Wichita Heights 88.0
12. Liberal 82.0
13. Gardner-Edgerton 81.5
14. Huthchinson 76.5
15. Campus 75.0
16. McPherson 72.5
17. Newton 71.0
18. Lawrence 67.5
19. Dodge City 64.0
20. Mill Valley 52.5
21. Bishop Carroll 48.0
22. Leavenworth 41.5
23. Manhattan 36.0
24. Shawnee Mis. W. 16.0
25. Maize South 10.0
Outstanding Wrester Award: Mark Kolmer (EMP)
Outstanding Coach: Monte Mosier- Garden City

Championship
103lb Dustin Reed (CB) WBD 4-2 over Chris Sullivan (Hutch)
112lb Dalton Miller (Campus) WBMD 14-5 over Trevor Boyer (MV)
119lb Cody Beesley (Campus) WBMD 9-1 over Blaine Smith (SS)
125lb Garrett Jones (AC) WBD 12-6 over TJ. Stokes (GE)
130lb Lane Greenlee (GC) WBD 4-3 OT over Brandon Charbonneau (EMP)
135lb Cash Biddle (AC) WBD 8-6 over Ulysses Deshazier (WH)
140lb Tyler Anderson (CC) WBD 10-7 over Bradley Little (D)
145lb Joey Dozier (GC) WBD 10-7 over Tyler Davis (MAC)
152lb Dylan Penka (BC) WBD 7-4 over Landon Keiswetter (NT)
160lb Logan Gaskil (EMP) WBD 5-4 over Reese Wright-Conklin (LAW)
171lb Matt Reed (WH) WBD 7-4 over Chance Davis (CC)
189lb Zach Anderson (CC) WBF over Justin McPhail (LB)
215lb Mark Kolmer (EMP) WBD 4-1 over Kyle Caylor (WNW)
285lb Trey Page (WNW) WBD 3-2 over Lorenzo Serma (EMP)

Consolation
103lb Javier Vieyra (SS) won by MD 10-2 dec. over John Risewick (NT)
112lb Nathan Reed (CB) won by 10-4 dec. over Tim Prescott (MAC)
119lb Coby Witten (MZ) won by Fall 1:58 over Konnor Kriss (COLB)
125lb Steven Plott (SS) won by 7-1 dec. over Aaron Augiano (GC)
130lb Miles Johns (NEW) won by dec. 2-1 over Skyler McComb (DER)
135lb J.R. Roman (Huth) WBD 6-4 over Braxton Medina (GC)
140lb Micah Flora-Swick (GE) won by a dec. 10-4 over Derrik Ortiz (GC)
145lb Cody Shavlik (D) WBD 9-2 over Kaenon Keiswetter (NT)
152lb Jason Seibel (SS) WBD 6-3 over Andrew Laib (EM)
160lb Spencer Shirk (NT) won by 7-0 Dec. over Colton Easterberg (CC)
171lb Teven Kendall (WNW) WBD 5-3 OT over Andrew Flannigan (CB)
189lb Dane Myers (GC) WBF OT over Cole Carpenter (D)
215lb Parker Johnson (MAC) WBD 3-0 over Jake Delp (CC)
285lb Jesse Trent (DC) WBF over Josh Wison (LEV)

5th Place
103lb Anthony Calderon (GC) won by 11-7 dec. over Ryan Hodges (MV)
112lb Hunter Haralson (LAW) WBF over Ty Kolterman (CC)
119lb Adrian Salas (LIB) WB Inj. Def. over Colby Watters (AC)
125lb Logan Singular (CC) won by dec. 2-0 over Brady Heincker (DER)
130lb Brandon Vasquez (DC) won by dec. 9-7 over Jayde Kolterman (CC)
135lb Trever Cox (MZ) won by a dec. 5-1 over Travis Reinhart (DER)
140lb Trey Schrindcher (WH) WBD 9-4 over Connor Pfannenstiel (NT)
145lb Chase Sanchez (EM) WBD 3-1 over Sterling Terry (AC)
152lb Sean Giather (WNW) over John Heimn (GC)
160 lb Bryce Marr (AC) WB def. over Todd Curtis (GE)
171lb Nathaniel Flannigan (EM) WB Inj. Def. over Andy Davison (MZ)
189lb Kaid McKenna (NT) WBD 5-2 over Christian Ducknes (WH)
215lb Shawn Marlett (D) WBF over Josh Bush (LEV)
285lb Xavier Fisher (Man) WBD 8-4 over David Garcia (NEW)

7th Place
103lb Jared Suppes (NW) won by 8-2 dec. over Jeffrey Morrow (DER)
112lb Cody Eastman (AC) won by MD 8-0 over Skyler Olsen (MZ)
119lb Colt McElroy (GC) WBD 9-3 over Jonathan Peterson (Hutch)
125lb Troy Bainter (NT) won by Fall 4:55 over Javon Haines (LVN)
130lb Zach Litvak (GC) won by a dec. 5-1 over Taylor Hilgers (MAN)
135lb Kasey Lien (SS) won by a dec. 6-2 over Andrew Denning (LAW)
140lb Trent Hoover (SS) WBMD 14-2 over Levi Flohnschqtz (LAW)
145lb Justin Lundell (DC) WBF over Casey Kidwell (GE)
152lb Vonlez Long (D) WBMD 10-2 over Tyler Allen (SMW)
160lb Carlos Rodriguez (Lib) WBF over Eddie Gomez (GC)
171lb Devon Keith (BC) WBD 8-2 over Stewart McConnell (NEW)
189lb Hugh McConnell (NEW) WBD 5-0 over Jake Akin (GE)
215lb Adam Webber (CB) WBD 7-5 over Tyler Ediger (DC)
285lb Tyler Cook (NT) won by Inj. Def. over Dalton Converse (CC)

At 160 lbs. the Fifth place match was a double injury default.

Marr from Ark City and Curtis from Gardner both placed Sixth.

Anybody gonna upload video to the net of the finals? Thank you for posting results here.

WOW!!! They placed all the way to 8th. Technically a wrestler could get beat out of this double elimination tournament TWICE!!!! I hope the "P" club gave out ribbons to everyone that entered the tournament, that would only be fair. When are tournaments, including STATE, going to stop coddling kids. Place the top 4, all other places do not matter.

"Place the top 4, all other places do not matter." Beeson

Not following your thought process here. What is wrong with wrestling as many matches as is possible/practical? This tournament "cost" the same number of participation points whether a kid wrestled two, three or six times during the two days of competition.

ha dont say that i agree with beeson but i like his style he's probally gonna get taken to the wood shed for that kinda comment

Yea, that is pretty much a dumb comment. I am going to call the NCAA up and tell them to take away All-American honors from those 5-8 place kids today....

As a local team, we spent a lot of money to go the TOC. I can't even imagine how much Colby, Clay Center, Mill Valley, Gardner Egerton etc. had to spend to travel to this tournament. With this many teams 8th place is warranted as it does give extra matches to some kids. You might want to check which teams were there this week-end and figure out how tough this tourney really was and how 8th place was not bad at some weights.

Church

Greg, My thought process, back in "the good ole days" it meant something to place at some of these tournaments. I just have a hard time wrapping my head around placing 8. Is everyone looking for QUALITY matches, or watered down QUANTITY matches? What were the medals? 1st Gold, 2nd, Silver, 3rd Bronze, 4th Copper, 5th Lead, 6th Wood, 7th Ribbon, and 8th Paper. Kind of like reverse Anniversaries.

Apples to Oranges, NCAA's is Nationwide. There are qualifiers to get into the tournament. So lets not keep track of Dumb comments.

It wasn't any tougher than when they only placed 4.

I would bet if there were an all state tournament that the Champions at this tournament would be in the finals.


Mel

wrestling now is more competitve than it was when you were in high school beeson not saying all kids are better but you have more freestyle and just more wrestling than there was available not sure if i spelled that right

Then why have the 4x champions had such an increase since when I was in High School? If that is what you have to tell yourself to justify adding 8th go right ahead. More competitive does not mean better, it just means that they are more evenly matched. I'm not sure that is good.

Flanagin actually won this match and placed third. They entered it wrong on the brackets, but corrected in during the finals.

when will brackets be up

Final Team Scores added to post

"Placing" 5-8 has little to do with medals/awards as it does having the opportunity to wrestle another match or two. Quanity vs. quality is, IMO, not really critical to this discussion; the kids are there--might as well be wrestling, don't you think?

I am a little timid about bringing this up because I think someone might take it serious and implement it. Go ahead and place the top 8 for the matches. Let's not stop there though, anyone that loses their first two, should be thrown into a hard luck bracket, and place the top 8 their also. Lots of mat time and 50% of the participants get a medal. I have not figured out how to make the other 50% feel good yet, but I'm working on it.

I think you may be the first person ever on this forum arguing that FEWER matches should be wrestled!

Seems like your concern is giving medals for low placings; in your way of thinking this is rewarding mediocrity. However, IMO awarding/winning medals is NOT the point of wrestling the additional matches. If possible, shouldn't a kid get four (or more) matches over the two days they are there instead of two?

Actually your idea has merit; what is wrong with wrestling the maximum number of matches that are allowed? Kids who are not very good can use all the mat time they can get. Forget the medals.

And, no matter how you structure it, half of the kids will finish the day/week end with a loss.

Wrestling the maximum number of matches allowed is NOT another example of the "pussification" of America.

Awesome!! Greg Mann used my new word!! High five!

I feel what Beeson is saying. Back in the day I would have hidden a 4th place medal let alone an 8th. Even in kids they didnt have anything but 1st-4th.

I think Beeson should start his own club. The HA Club. I would like to be an honoree member and the chair of the committee of "if you ain't first you're last."

Does anyone have any input on the 119 lb final? Its been an amazing match the first two times into ot, this score just seemed like it was one sided this time.

way to go beeson, i was getting ripped on a couple of other threads. you really help take some of the pressure off.

I have intel that Beasley ate a box of the limited edition Cale Sanderson Wheaties before stepping onto the mat in Newton.

I'm not gonna get behind Beeson 100%, but we do coddle our kids a little too much with pats on the back. I think they need just as many reality checks, aka "you got beat becuase you don't work hard in practice", or whatever the reason might be, as they do pats on the back. I agree that sometimes an 8th place finish for one kid might be a huge accomplishment, whereas a 2nd place finish might be underachieving for another. Some kids will quit when you push them, others dig in and work harder. I made a post a couple of years ago when I returned from middle school duals,maybe it was Schoolboy duals, about a rather "out of shape" kid that was taking a beating, but kept coming back the next round for another beating. He was obviously not an athlete, but kept trying. There were a few matches where he didn't get pinned, thus saving his team some forfeit points if he hadn't wrestled at all. He caught my eye and I had to mention it. That is the type of situation, on the complete opposite side of this argument, that we need to balance out. Who knows, that kid may fill out and be an animal one day. Maybe not, but I bet he learned some valuable lessons from wrestling.

I like the idea of a hardluck bracket, like Tulsa Nationals used to do before they started their novice nationals tourney. Pretty generic medals, but mat time.

I found that post:

Must read for all kids.....
doug747
Member

Registered: November 04, 2002
Posts: 563 ...as I was sitting there keeping score at the duals this weekend, the Montana Vs. Team KS Wildcats match was well in hand for Team Wildcats. Our heavyweight stepped on the mat against a kid from Montana that was in less than tip top physical condition. You know the type, man boobs, big spare tire, the type of kid that probably draws more than his share of teasing from kids. As I watched this kid wrestle our kid, who is a pretty salty, but maybe undersized, heavyweight, I began to think, and told Coach Locke: This kid probably goes to school and hears some punk kids tease him about his belly and his boobs, among other things. But here he is, at the National middle school duals, competing. This is a sport that very few people have the guts and mental toughness to take on. The brutal practices, the multiple beatings, among other things, that it takes to become a better wrestler and person. Taking beating after beating, and to continue to step on to that mat again and again. Like I told a few of our own kids that were struggling and getting thumped this weekend: that kid is here working to get better. All those punks that are talking trash are sitting at home watching cartoons and eating candy bars. I couldn't help but go over to this kid after the match (while he is laying down totally exhausted) and tell him "good job Big Man" and shake his hand. With apologies to Nicky Dikin ( we had the dual in hand), I was hoping that this kid wouldn't get pinned by Nicky. The kid went 3 full periods, and left it all on the mat. That is a kid that will be a winner on the mat at some point, and also when he gets out and becomes an employee, husband, father, grandfather, etc. My guess is that the NCAA heavyweight champ was a similarly built kid as a youngster. Look at him now.

And another thing to remember is that the kids don't make the rules, the adults do, so we have to be careful not to hang crap on a kid that is wrestling that match for 7th and 8th. It was top four only back when I was in school also, but let me tell you, I would much rather be a kid today than back then. As a whole, we are pushing each other to get better. Coaching is better, parents as a whole ask for more dedication from the kids, awards are better, and most teams got rid of the distraction of cheerleaders...........Well, maybe the cheerleaders would be something I would still want to keep around if I were a HS kid again.........The booze and lack of dedication is what I needed to get rid of!!!!

I don't believe in coddling kids either and I sometimes think we have become too soft in some areas but now you are just being an arse to get a rise out of people (it worked).

Guilty as charged. I did go to extremes to prove my point. The more I think of it though, instead of placing 8, maybe there should be a hardluck tourney. Kids that need it would get extra matches. I did notice that most of the kids wrestling for 5th-8th were upperclassmen. I know there are two, three, or even more points of view, but I can not understand how we place lower than 4th. Use the Hardluck for the kids that need extra mat time. There has to be a cut off, I personally think 4th is that cut off.

I guess when you are in charge of the Newton or Bobcat tournament you can change that.

I understand the sentiment for believing we're spoiling the kids a bit. I just don't agree with it. Oh sure, I would rather have been someplace else Friday and Saturday than watching 300 kids roll around in Basehor for 25 hours. And I know it seems there were an exhausting number of kids on the podium posing for their photos. I will also tell you my son was one of those gangly, get pinned as much as he pinned, lanky, slowish shooting kids we all watched and cringed at, while we wondered why he ever wanted an 8th place medal at a JV tournament as a freshman.

He stuck with it and worked his tail off and stood on the podium in 4th place at the Bobcat holding a piece of pot metal he will treasure like the Ko-E-Noor diamond all his life. What do I know?

Chad,

Are you in favor of the NCAA changing their 8 deep placements?

Doug747: Nice 3 posts! Thanks, Dad

You sir, would have been well advised to hide any medal for fear of the five-o coming to take you away for possession of stolen property....I'm jusy sayin'.....

Yes Will, but it sounds better when I use it.

Don't know either one of you but that was Funny!

As a coach and a coaches kid who used to and still does enjoy the seeding meeting process when ran well. I think that in a 32 man bracket, seeding 8 was simple and logical, just as well as 8. Team races, back door/consolation bracket matches, bonus points, and how well the teams near you in team points just add to the fun of the whole sport.

For instance, when a Kansas Team places in the U.S. Top 10 it is a very proud moment. But they can't just get the team points by having a handful of wrestlers in the finals, they need people winning as many matches as they can at other weight classes, getting 3rd, 4th... all the way to 8th. And Newton TOC's 8th placers will be state placers in their respective classes.

That was a good one but he will pay for it tomorrow!

This is comparing Apples to Oranges. The NCAA has 76 D1 schools, that have to go through qualifying tournaments. The tournament then is a 64 man bracket. Counting the Qualifying Tournaments, they are awarding the top 10% in the NATION. If you would like to compare it to a grading scale, The "A Students".

Newton had 25 teams participating, and awarded the top 30%. Continuing with our grading scale analogy, "C- Students".

6A has 31 Schools. They award the top 6, which is the top 18.75%, or B- Students. If they only awarded the top 4, they would award the top 12.5%, or B to B+ Students.

To answer your question, I think the NCAA's is just right.

Once again here we are talking about something as ridiculous as how many places medal and still have no protection from felons officiating.

Dale, go Hi-Jack your own thread. I stole this one fair and square.

lol i thought that would work