Transfers, Move-ins and Impact freshmen?

Any impact newcomers?

Logan Treaster 106 Newton Brody Roberson 113 Newton tough kids with great pedigree

Definitely have pedigreed surnames. The first with a 4xer father and the second with a 4xer Uncle and a bucket load of state championships on the Harrison side of the his family tree. Good luck to both of these wrestlers, looking forward to watching them!

SJA welcomes Clay Lautt, TJ Miller, and Sammy Cokeley as members of the class of 2017.

Manhattan High School - Mason Wallace

Daniel Butler Leavenworth High School

Here is just a few incoming freshmen that will make immediate impacts to their teams:

Corbin Nirschl-Basehor
Tanner Hitchcock-Pitsburg
Dylan Gowin-Mill Valley
Thomas Lisher-Baldwin
Kendall Frame-Goddard
Kameron Frame-Goddard
Tyler Price-Holton
Zach Eck-Andale
Kai Perez-Garden City
Tristan Porsch-Hoxie
Nathan Fowler-Derby
Anthony Scantlin-Mulvane
Lane Glover-Goddard

Kaj Perez is just an eighth grader.

Don't forget about,
Paul Stuart, Andover
Jack Maki, Andover
Will Spexarth, Goddard
Conner Murphy, Carroll
Gary Joint, junction city.
Gonna be an interesting season.

Looks like Goddard is getting a good re-fill...

Shane Brock is now at Wichita Northwest. A nice addition for Coach Prichard. Every year those guys re-load and compete!

Anthony Capul wrestling for Andale should make some noise

Boo Dryden at Campus

What about?
Carter Guyer - Andover
Cody Phippen - ?
Turner Mason - ?
Zachary Grantham - Maize High

Cody Phippen is an 8th grader

So is Turner

Dacota Motter- El Dorado

Phippen and Turner are 8th grade - again?? How did that happen?

This list has turned into "List the Freshmen". Out of all of those that have been named I see about 7 that will be True Impact Freshmen.

What is your definition Chad? I am guessing this list is less than 10% of the FR who will be out for wrestling this year. I see a list of FR who have accomplished some high level achievements in Kids wrestling. They have worked hard and deserve the recognition. Not sure what your point is??

My point is the Topic was Impact Freshmen. I see 7 to 8 that will cause an impact. The rest will be wrestling JV or have a less than .500 record on Varsity. I don't consider that an impact freshman. Hell, I was less than .500 my freshman year and I can guarantee I was not an impact freshman. Let's not name every Tom, Dick and Harry. Did I clarify my point enough for you Will or would you like more clarification? If I clarify more, there are a lot of parents and kids that will get their feelings hurt. I don't think we want that. Kids should not get recognition just because they have worked hard. Results are what people get recognized for, not trying.

I guess we just disagree. I reviewed all of the names and I think ALL of them will most likely be varsity and have better than .500 records. Mine might not as our line up is loaded this year but he will have an impact in the room and in the future. Nearly ALL of these kids have extraordinary accomplishments in the level they participated in last year. There are 30 listed here and that is a LONG way from every Tom, Dick and Harry although I am quite certain those three names are much less frequently used today as they were long ago. You say only 1/4 of these names will .500 or better records. I say 2/3. Talk you about this again in February.

My definition of an impact freshman would be a freshman who can place at the state tournament! We won't know that until then!

I agree with Will,
Almost every kid listed stood on a State or National podium last year, (some did both) Nobody said they would be varsity. But, really Chad wouldn't you want quality partners at a high school level, to possibly push upper class men? I've watched everyone on the list wrestle for more than 8yrs. now and NONE of them are slouches. I guess the tale of "impact" will be told in a couple of months.

I never said any of those listed were not any good, I just said that I only see 7 or 8 that would make an impact. My definition mirrors that of Coach Prieto...a State Placer or at least one that will score points at State. Just being in the practice room to me is not an impact freshman. Some of these kids are very good but will not be Impact for various reasons: They are Too Small, they are on a loaded team and wont be able to make varsity to be able to help, or another impact freshman will be in their weight. No fault of their own, but they will not be an impact freshman. That is just how life is, just cause you try and are good does not mean you will be listed. We can start a list of freshmen that were good in little league and we hope will do well if that would make everyone feel like a winner.

"Quality partners"?? That is dependent on the room! I still say "impact" is someone who can place at the state tournament regardless of grade!! I know kids get hurt, don't make weight and won't have that chance of placing but if they make the state tournament and as Chad said score points or place then that is making an impact! Yes I want my VARSITY kids to have good partners but those partners don't score points at the state tournament! Like I said we will see who all makes an impact come February! I'm hoping for a few impact freshmen!!!

The Confusion comes because we are using a term that was originally used for College Freshmen in Football and Basketball. Scouts would say a kid was an impact freshmen, meaning they would start their freshmen year and make a difference on the playing field. The coaches would still recruit other freshmen to build their program but knew the others would need a red-shirt season plus a year or two to be an impact player. I think that everyone on the list will definitely be an impact player their Jr. and Sr. year, but I only see 7 or 8 that will be impact freshmen. AND, I GUARANTEE THERE ARE 2 OR 3 FRESHMEN THAT HAVE NOT BEEN NAMED THAT WILL BE IMPACT FRESHMEN.

I still say 2/3 will have winning varsity records and 1/2 will be state placers. Those will be instant impact freshmen but clearly the phrase "impact freshmen" is very gray and wide open for interpretation. I agree that some have been missed... Tyler Flood, Brock Budke, Jonathon Ball, Colby Johnson, Tate Carney should ALL be state point earners.

Dalton Dultmeier Silver Lake . 106 or 113. Big impact in Class 3A

What schools will they be wrestling at

Tyler Flood Louisburg??
Brock Budke ??
Jonathon Ball Hoisington ??
Colby Johnson Burlington ??,
Tate Carney Colby ??

Budke will be at Lansing.

Tyler Flood - Paola

I think the term impact is relative to each team. An athlete can impact his team and program without impacting 4A or 6A or whatever, and for my time I would just as soon see as comprehensive a list as possible, to give us all something to do and talk about this time of year.

Beeson,
Who are your top 7 - 8?

Logan Treaster
Brody Roberson
Kendall Frame
Kameron Frame
Paul Stewart
Jack Macki
Anthony Capul
Dacota Motter

Those were my top 8 when I first posted. I can't guarantee theses guys will be impact freshmen, but I like their chances. I'm also sure a couple may make an impact that I didn't think would for whatever reason.

Hard to argue with that list. I would also agree that to be considered an impact wrestler said wrestler would need to place at State.

As a ranker, I attribute points to a projected placer as well as a wrestler that scores points at state. In my opinion, points at state make an impact for your team.

I am going to have to point out that there is an OBVIOUS Wichita and proximate area bias on this list. You will find 0 western KS, 0 eastern KS, and 0 north central KS kids on this list. Either it is bias or a limit to Beeson's geographic range he is capable of evaluating. Maybe both?

Remove one of mine and who would you add?

I don't want to remove anyone but I will guarantee these two, barring injury, will be on the podium in March. Tate Carney and Tristan Porsche

My top 7 would be:
Anthony Capul-a beast of a freshman, he has won a lot of big tournaments and really showed himself at folkstyle nationals
Kendall Frame-Almost went undefeated at Schoolboy Duals and won Folkstyle Nationals, in the past he has won Tulsa as well. Will be in 6A could potentially meet up with Deshazer.
Paul Stuart-He has done very well with I believe 3 kids state titles in a row and has been on many dual teams I have coached and has rarely lost on any of them. In 5A could run into some guns if he is at 113.
Clay Lautt-He was a folkstyle national runner-up and has wins over Frame. He has also won 3 state titles I beleive as well. He is extremely strong and aggressive. In 5A with a projected weight of 125-130. Might run into some guns their as well.
Corbin Nirschl-He dominated at Kids state and he had 7 wins at Cadet Duals coupled with his wins over Rosen at Southern Plains. He will be huge at 106.
Thomas Lisher-When he is on, he is on. He won kids state with the likes of Maki, Pemberton, Kester, Joint and Delforge.
Mason Wallace-He is another kid when he is on, he is on. He beat Pool in the state finals last year that knocked of Kendall Frame.

Excluding Capul, how many of the freshmen listed here will wrestle above 132 this year?

Finally, Travis has hit it on the head!
What division are they gonna be1/2/3, 4a, 5a, 6a? And what weight? Lots and lots of quality boys moving up but what weight and what division? All are young and looking to do well, but, can they handle the upper class men? Time will tell. Impact? Start the list of which CLASS, they will fall under. Not everyone listed, is in the same division.

Now this is a list I can honestly say is full of impact freshmen. I still like the other 5 guys on my list and think they will score points if not place at State. Will had some good arguments for his two guys to place as well. I sure like a list of these 14 compared to a list of 40 or so.

I am not sure if they will be freshman, but the three below guys I was really impressed with at Middle School State, along with a few our own Dodge City kids. These three are all middle weights.

Daniel Butler - Leavenworth
Jesse Nunez - Garden City
Ayrus Jones - Junction City

Thanks,

Lars Lueders
Dodge City High School
Head Wrestling Coach

Travis

The Frame brothers will be in 5A if they attend Goddard.

My bad, wasn't sure if Goddard was 5A or 6A forgot about the Goddard split in schools from last year.

BUMP...
Now that the season is in the last three weeks lets take another look at WHO are the impact freshmen...

Below is a comprehensive list of everyone mentioned preseason. How many will qualify for state? win some matches? place? WIN it!? Who was overlooked??


Logan Treaster - Newton
Brody Roberson – Newton
Shane Brock – Wichita Northwest
Mason Wallace – Manhattan
Daniel Butler – Leavenworth
Corbin Nirschl-Basehor
Tanner Hitchcock-Pitsburg
Dylan Gowin-Mill Valley
Thomas Lisher-Baldwin
Kendall Frame-Goddard
Kameron Frame-Goddard
Tyler Price-Holton
Zach Eck-Andale
Kai Perez-Garden City
Tristan Porsch-Hoxie
Nathan Fowler-Derby
Anthony Scantlin-Mulvane
Lane Glover-Goddard
Paul Stuart - Andover
Jack Maki - Andover
Will Spexarth -Goddard
Conner Murphy - Carroll
Gary Joint - junction city
Anthony Capul – Andale
Boo Dryden – Campus
Carter Guyer – Andover
Zachary Grantham - Maize High
Dacota Motter- El Dorado
Tyler Flood – Paola
Brock Budke – Lansing
Jonathon Ball – Hoisington
Colby Johnson – Burlington
Tate Carney – Colby
Tristan Porsche – Hoxie
Clay Lautt – SJA
Thomas Lisher – Baldwin
Jesse Nunez - Garden City
Ayrus Jones - Junction City
Dalton Dultmeier - Silver Lake

Dultmeier from Silver Lake. If he continues to wrestle as he has been, he will win 113# 321A state.

Idris Elias Wichita West was definatly overlooked

I think Dalton Hensley from Ellis will make some noise at 321A state. He is wrestling well this year.

Monti enriquez 120lb Eudora freshman has 25 wins and will make it to state. I'm not partial or anything. Haha! I see a lot of kids on this list should make a impact at state.

Sammy Cokeley has had some quality wins at 138, 145, and 152 this season.

Looks like the list is pretty darn close. As far as qualifiers. @70% made it through, if my math is right, ( may have missed a couple) With at least 15 making the finals. This is one tough group of freshman, good luck at State to all, you've proven to us all you've earned it.

What about Norton's BIG man Jacob Green ranked #2 in the state at 220 being at an upper weight like that and wrestling mostly juniors and seniors am having a 32-7 record and his only losses are to ranked wrestlers

REGIONAL CHAMPS

Logan Treaster - Newton
Shane Brock – Wichita Northwest
Mason Wallace – Manhattan
Corbin Nirschl-Basehor
Kendall Frame-Goddard
Tristan Porsch-Hoxie
Paul Stuart - Andover
Gary Joint - junction city
Tyler Flood – Paola
Colby Johnson – Burlington
Tate Carney – Colby

STATE QUALIFIERS
Brody Roberson – Newton
Daniel Butler – Leavenworth
Tanner Hitchcock-Pitsburg
Thomas Lisher-Baldwin
Kameron Frame-Goddard
Tyler Price-Holton
Zach Eck-Andale
Nathan Fowler-Derby
Anthony Scantlin-Mulvane
Lane Glover-Goddard
Jack Maki - Andover
Will Spexarth -Goddard
Conner Murphy - Carroll
Zachary Grantham - Maize High
Dacota Motter- El Dorado
Brock Budke – Lansing
Jonathon Ball – Hoisington
Sammy Cokeley - SJA
Clay Lautt – SJA
Thomas Lisher – Baldwin
Jesse Nunez - Garden City
Ayrus Jones - Junction City
Dalton Dultmeier - Silver Lake



NON QUALIFIERS
Anthony Capul – Andale - Injured
Boo Dryden – Campus - 8th grader, ??
Carter Guyer – Andover
Kai Perez-Garden City - 8th grader, not sure who listed him
Dylan Gowin-Mill Valley - JV


92% qualified for state. I think the agreed upon definition for impact freshman was one who scores team points at state. 34 of these wrestlers can do that this weekend. I am counting on the 11 regional champs to do so! This is one tough freshman class. I think 4A 106 is very deep with talent as is 5A.

Kai is only an 8th grader.

I think Shane Brock is a sophomore.

To the best of my knowledge, you are correct. Garrett lost to him and Moses at Newton in 1 point matches. These young guys just keep getting better every year. Last year, Garrett's State bracket had four Freshman finish 1-4.

This was in the post earlier so I just took his name from the stream. Chief!

I watched Tristan Porsch win at Beloit and was instantly impressed. He went up against some big dogs there and didn't even flinch.

I have to give a shout out for the 3 Freshmen Dodge City is bringing to the State Wrestling Tournament..

- Devon Asebedo (132)
- Tylor Garcia (138)
- Dylan Servis (160)

I have to give a shout out to the only Freshman from Hutch High to make it to State at 126 Dakotah Gruver..