Time to Bump the Magic Number to 150?

Looking at the State Brackets this year I have noticed that there are A LOT of kids with over 35 wins, and still have the State Tournament to add more wins. Personally, my son is 34-10. So I guess my question is, Is 100 wins really that big of an accomplishment anymore? I saw several kids with records of 25-25, these are .500 wrestlers that could easily hit 100 wins for their career, but also would have 100 losses. If Jake was to duplicate this record for the next three years he would be 140-40, which really is not that impressive.

Back when there were only 30 matches a year hitting 100 wins would fairly impressive. With kids getting 50 matches a year now, 100 wins does not seem that impressive. I think the number needs to go to 125 or 150. Thoughts?

Glad you said it. It is a nice round number, but easier to get than it used to be.

I have no problem with giving a little appreciation to the wrestler that gets 100 high school wins. My biggest concern when looking at the Regional brackets yesterday was seeing how many teams had a number of holes throughout their lineups. We need to be more concerned with keeping young wrestlers wrestling. By the way, I would have loved a 140-40 record, but I was pretty proud of a 103-60 record that my son had combined with his 1st Team All-Academic honors.

One hundred wins is still a commendable milestone. You have to be a really good wrestler to reach it. You have to be one of the best to reach 150.

AGREED. I see alot of wrestlers getting 25-28 wins in a season and not place in their Regional. They could do that for 4 years get 100 wins and never qualify for State. Does not make them a bad wrestler, just not the elite wrestler in their class at that time. Guess that is why there is GOOD, BETTER and BEST.

It would be great to have stronger rooms that develop 10-12+ 38 win wrestlers year in and year out instead of 2 or 3 wrestlers every 4 years.

Not only do you have to be one of the best wrestlers, you also have to have the opportunity to wrestle enough matches to get to 150 wins. I consider my son to be a pretty good wrestler, but he will end his career barely getting 150 matches. Winning percentage might be another way to compare top level wrestlers.

Do we really need to argue this?

I can see your point of view, but have to say that when my son reached 100 this year it was a milestone. He only wrestled 1/2 a season his freshman year and then was injured his junior year his first weekend back from rehabbing from an injury his sophomore year. If he had wrestled all four years without the injury he would have definitely exceeded 150 wins. However it did not end up that way.

Boy, I'm glad this talk forum carries 0 weight. 100 wins is an accomplishment. Period. So is 150. Elitist snob and wresting don't belong in the same sentence. Until you get on this forum. Good grief.

I missed 2 tournaments in my career and i only wrestled a total 137 matches. I would definitely say that for some to get 150 wins is incredible but for alot of people its just not possible.

You're right we should tell a kid that goes 100-100 Great Job. I'm not an elitist, I just don't think a .500 record is worth bragging about.

I agree with Cavanaugh, 100 wins is a great accomplishment. And Beeson be realistic. Any wrestler who gets 100 wins would never have 100 losses. I know you are trying to prove a point but that was a terrible reference.

What Patrick said. . .

I have seen a lot of 25-25 records. Its not really that too far fetched. Give wrestlers enough matches, say 50 a season, which they get easily now and they should win 100 in three or four years.

150 is elite and should be noticed but don't take away from the ones who do get 100. Not all kids have had the privilege to wrestle kids club or jr high wrestling. And to wrestle only 4 years and reach 100 plus wins to me is also elite. By the way my son Jaden Helms just got his 103 win in Fredonia this weekend, and is no. 1 in the all around rankings , so please don't rain on our parade. Thanks.

Well just for fun lets start putting the entire record...Wins and Loses 100-?? I'm curious how much bragging will go on when losses are included in the record not just wins.

First I want to make the point I am not for the socialist lets make everything equal no one gets left behind way. I think slackers should be left behind & hard workers should be recognized & rewarded. But hard work & dedication to wrestling does not always lead to a elite level of success.

Instead of only recognizing the very elite. How about the young man that wrestled all through high school & worked just as hard as the rest of our club & missed going to state by 1 point in his senior year. If I were giving out a wrestler of the year for our club he would be my choice. There is many wrestlers that never make it to 100 wins & deserve all the respect & recognition the world beaters do.

108-29 and im dang proud of my record in high school. Not asamed of a single loss.

Unless you are Roberson or Maynes then you have a loss with your 100 wins.

Ok I'll play ! First of all this isn't Jaden speaking it's all his loud mouth Father me.... First of all ask any coach that knows Jaden Helms he is a top notch kid all around and is as humble as they get. Never once bragged about any of his accomplishments, so that's where I come in. Which. He has a lot. To answer your Question 103-24. 26-12 his freshman year in Colorado wrestling for Rocky Ford. 11-4 So. Year wrestling behind stud Clay Wilcox, only wrestling a couple tournament unattached. 31-8 last year and 35-0 this year both not having a partner to practice with anywhere near his weight. Not bad.

Just for the record I wasnt bragging , just proud.....

Its ok for you to brag. You are a father. That is your job.

I think it is ok to recognize any kid who wrestles regardless of record. The number of wins one reaches in a career has many variables that can be outside of a wrestler's control. Each team gets 30 competition points but if the school is in a league many of those may be burned for a single match in a dual limiting the total number of matches a wrestler could get in a career. Theoretically, if a school used 28 points for 7 two day events and 2 points for duals a wrestler could get 72 matches in a single season. It is highly unlikely you will find events that achieve the 10 match count in two day events.

I would leave to each to decide what "success" means in their own terms. I am grateful for each and every wrestler who laces them up! You can't have wins if you don't have anyone to wrestle!

I would bet that those 25-25 records are underclassmen, that each year of progression take 5-10 off the loss column and add to the win column.

I do agree that if a kid can almost be half way there in one year. There will be some 44 wins for some kids. Very impressive with out a doubt but does the 100 mean that much to that kid...it shouldn't.

I look at Austin Cook, missed his entire Sophmore year and hit over 100 this year. That is worth talking about.

Few other things to look at if we are splitting hairs so to speak.

A 25-25 Jr or Sr did not go 25-25 for the first two years, I would bet it is quite the opposite.

Fresh/soph is middle weights, in theory a freshman starting above say 132/138 is going to see a mainstay of juniors and seniors. Lighter weight will be seeing alot less. Not discounting lighter weights but the facts are the facts. So does it carry more weight where the wins started at?

Strength of schedule also plays in, just for example is a 100 career season the same at STJ and Bluestem?? To some it may be but I know my opinion.

Again not calling anyone out just asking the questions.

It is kind of like the 4 timers that start at 103/6, although a great accomplishment it still doesn't IMO mean what some of the guy that started out in the middle weights and were 4 timers. Those are the impressive one again in my opinion.

I like the winning percentage idea. But what would be the #? 85%? 90%?

100 wins is a "Magic Number" for the young athlete that achieves it! Why pooh paw that?

I remember the day my 1977 Monte Carlo turned over 100K! I stopped in the middle of the street in Hastings, NE and ran around the car like a chinese fire drill. 100,000 was a big deal for that two toned blue monster!

Now my daughter has a 1995 honda civic that has 258K. Will it be as big a deal when it turns over 300K? It will be for my daughter! This is the best $500 car she has ever had!

Celebrate each milestone, Each step in the journey!







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Right on target, backintheday!

I asked my son which match he will celebrate as a milestone. His answer: "The next one".

Every time a wrestler steps on the mat, win or lose, it could be his last time.

150 wins would be very impressive! Winning percentage would be good, but you still would have the runners, not showing losses when they ran from an opponent. No matter what you do, you'll have an impressive percentage when somebody was "sick" at certain tourneys or duals. Maybe you should think about an average number of matches for your team, compare individual wins, that percentage is what is posted for each kid, then show it for four varsity years.

As I already posted, Garrett went 103-60 (32 at 103, 25 at 120/113, 24 at 126 and 22 at 132).

His sophomore year he started 4-9 wrestling up a weight class at the start of the season (with losses to Dallas Vesta 2-9, Chandler Gordon by Fall, Isaac Dulgarian 10-25, Tyler Sharp 0-1, Cullen Hood 1-2, Clayton Himple 1-14, Kaleb Konitzer 0-4 and Willie Dieckman 2-9). He dropped to 113 and finished out the year winning 21 and losing 10 (with losses to Javier Vieyra 0-1 in 3OT, Garrett Whitson 0-2 in OT, Jacob Wilders 0-2, Marco Perez 1-2, PJ Chaney 1-9, Nick Haug x2 2-7 and 1-4, Alex Garcia 4-7 and Armond McCray 3-4).

My point is, his freshmen year he did have an easier schedule but he still wrestled solid competition and had some great wins against very good opponents. I know the competition he faced and I know how many close losses, and wins, he had against quality wrestlers. He was pinned 5 times in 163 matches with only one of those being by a wrestler he should have beat but he got caught.

I am sure that there are plenty of other wrestlers who barely got to 100 but were so close to getting to 125-130, or more. You have to know more about each wrestler than just the number of wins versus losses they had.

I wrestled high school in Oklahoma in the late 80's and early 90's, I started all 4 years and only wrestled 98 matches in my entire career. I qualified for 2 state tournaments and was fortunate enough to win one as a junior. I live in Arkansas now and our state hs tournament was this last weekend. There were freshman that ended the season with 60 wins, and a senior had 150..... falls out of 182 wins. A lot more matches these days, but 100, 125 or 150 if the competition is tough they are all great milestones. On a serious note, I do think that everyone should hug after each match, I know Beeson will love that !!