2006 All Star team?

REVISED EDITION

103 - Furches (Derby)
112 - Hansen (Turner)
119 - Perez/Shumate (Topeka/BVNW)
125 - Deshazer (Wichita)
130 - Isenberg(Gardner)
135 - Baker (Hoxie)
140 - Elliott (Augusta)
145 - Garcia (Colby)
152 - Cotton/Schroeder (Hutch/Andale)
160 - Jonas (Kapaun)
171 - Erisman (DeSoto)
189 - Strawn (Holton)
215 - Foster (Sedgewick)
275 - Madison/Payne (Salina, Paola)

If this is for over all high school folkstyle type team I think you are off.

It's terrible.

How would you change it?

first of all Edison is wrestling 215 this year. I know he wrestled for FS and GR but he is going 215. Second Cotton won state as a freshmen but doesn't mean it was a great match. I watched it and it was....I am not trying to put him down and do not take away from wrestlers. I just think that you based your off of watching kids this summer or kids you are familar with. Jessen should do well and there are many kids that you could put on there

Tcar,

Edison would also be a strong 215 on the list. I'll move him up. At 152, David Loos was 34-4 last year and I don't know if he's moving up. A good case could be made for Nathan Thibault, but I'll take Romero. He worked hard this summer and you can't go too wrong with a defending state champ.

Compshoes, None of these guys in the line-up are terrible.

Why do you have Erisman at 171 and further more where is Strawn? Erisman 160 and Strawn 189 easily.

I think Erisman plans on wrestling 171 next year. If Strawn is an easy 189, then I agree with him over Hardy.

Can Strawn beat Disney?

I was told Carmona is going 145

Chief is at 245.

Be a fun matchup on paper, but I think Strawn would beat Atticus.

Nothing against Atticus he's good, but I don't think he would go the distance with Jesse. I watched Malay of Wakeeney (Trego_Wrestler) beat Atticus with the same move over and over. I don't know how much better he's gotten in the last year or two but I think strawn is more of a powerhouse type wrestler than Atticus is/was because isn't he kinda a chubbier kid? Nothing agianst him as he's a stud in his own right but I don't think he's in Strawn's League. I was also told that Strawn will be at 215 this year? It's in one of my old posts I believe Bob Phillips said this...

Alex

Loos will wrestle 152, may even drop to 145

... a noticeably "missing part" to me, is Aaron Ely!

Interesting lineup ..... I agree that Ely deserves mention ...... and if we're talking about Loos, why not Bailes ..... Aliensteve stuck him in their only meeting last year at Chanute

Bronco Wrestler - I would have to agree that in a match between Atticus and Strawn that Jessie would certainly be the favorite. However, I don't think I would go as far as calling Attiucs chubby (check out the Cadet photos on the home page). And I may have just forgot the match but remind me when Atticus ever wrestled Malay? But I do agree that Strawn is the guy to beat in 4A and I also heard he may go 215.

Salyer, why haven't you mentioned Jonas yet?

Barry-

I meant nothing negative by the comment. The match(es) I was referring too took place in Clay Center I believe 2 years ago. Malay had no one to wrestle and Atticus volunteered to bump up so he did have someone to wrestle and he wrestled double time, which I commend him for. I haven't seen Atticus since then, and then he seemed chubby, but now I do not know. I did not mean anything against a kid like Atticus as he's good and has proven it over and over again. I wish him luck and I hope wins a State title before he's done in High School.

Alex Ryan

Frank Jonas two state championships and second place finish speak for themselves.

As you well know, Frank will be returning this season attempting to win his third State Championship.

Atticus is in a transition from boy to manimal.I would guess his days of wrestling anyone in highschool stronger than himself are over.I would bet he wins several state titles before he's done.Good wrestler and even better young man,chubby no.

Alex - I know you didn't mean anything negative and I didn't take it that way. I just couldn't remember the match. I do remember it now and agree w/ your description of it. That is why I probably had it blocked from my memory. It was at Clay Centers Freestyle tournament. I didn't know that was Malay he wrestled. I think there are a couple good heavyweights out west if Atticus goes heavyweight (Scott City and Goodland) and Strawn is waiting at 215 if we stay there so I'm not sure what he is going to do. Lift weights for sure.

I think that two years ago are void. I have seen kids go from 6th place one year to state champ. Much can happen in 1 year let along two.

Jhris sophomore year and Jhris junior year are completely different people. From what I have seen of Disney, he's making the same change. He doesn't seem to be chubby but he was a little shrimpy. Once he hits the weights, he'll be fine.

it was last summer at Clay Center. He won Greco and i won Freestyle. He was good then he should prolly be better now.

Here is one for you Curtis. I remember a healthy Frank Jonas being defeated quite handily by a Ryan Johnson from Manhattan in 2004. I also think that Strawn will be the man to beat at 215 this year, definitely not Edison.

OK, so let's get this team right...

With Loos moving down in weight, that opens up 160. Will Frank Jonas still be 160? If so, he's in.

What do you guys think about 275 between these guys;

Caleb Payne - 33-1, State champ
Tyler Jessen - 34-3, State champ
Elijah Madison - 28-2, 2nd to Payne (3-2)

Also, Aaron Ely is very tough, but I can't see him beating Shumate or Perez. I think he can beat Altman.

Now at 215. What are your votes between Edison, Strawn and Disney.

Matt Bailes graduated, right? Otherwise, he would be in the line-up.

With Strawn moving up to 215. 189 is now open, any ideas?

Bailes is a senior this year

Any opinion between Bailes and Jonas?

215 is Strawn by fall with anyone. At 160, I would say Jonas because most likely, he will be a 4 time finalist with at least 2 titles, which is pretty good. At heavy you have to go with Payne because he'll be a 3-timer and a 4 time finalist.

Jhris if you were wrestling how do you think you would fare against these beasts?

He would be undefeated because he would never make weight.

Must I remind MancerL that I made weight every single time I wrestled, and I actually won a tournament or two. I also won big tournaments very easily while I'm not sure if MancerL won one at all? If he did it must have been his crappy league full of crappy teams. We can also look at the state tournament, where MancerL lost to Carr, and I beat him. So Marky, what's up now?

As for these guys, I can only go by how I wrestled guys they wrestled. I know that I've beaten guys who have beaten most of them, but I'm also two years older than they are, so who knows.

I once took 1st place at the Maize JV trny. I should make it all star team

What's an "all start team"....?

How hard will it be for Hansen to make 112. To me he looks as if he is big enough to be a 125 pounder.

Hey man, I pinned Carr at Basehoor-Linwood and then beat him at state after choking. Ha ha ha...

And it's true, while I was in every final my senior year, aside from my flameout at regionals and state, I only won a little over half of them.

Long story short: I'm bad at wrestling.

Long story short: You weren't bad. I just was, and still am, better.

You guys aren't gonna fight are you?

hansen should make 112 pretty easy...he is only weighing about 115, and he has been working out everyday with me...plus he isn't eating right....i am guessing 112 will be a pretty good guess for him....since this is summer and he isn't trying to lose weight...

The only thing Jhris and I fight about is who hates Nathan's practices the most.

I was just trying to get his name brought up, and I was surprised that Salyer hadn't brought him up yet. I didn't mean anything else by it.

I didn't say the guys were terrible...I said the list was terrible. Kinda confusing, I know.

I bet Steve Andrus can beat all of those guys in bowling...I saw BIG STEVE at the Bowling Alley in the basement of KSU yesterday evening.

Terrible in what way?

I think I can take Steve Andrus in bowling, and maybe MancerL as well. I was about 13 when I bowled my high game of 258, which was also about the time that I quit. But I'm still the grand champion so back off.

I was 13 when I bowled a 268 so yeah, it would be quite a matchup.

Doesn't that make LancerM grand champion then?

when i was 17 i bowled a 98

Chief only one problem with ur list. u dont have one 3-2-1a wrestler on it.

That's because everyone knows 4a and 6a are superior to every other classification, by far. 5a is only on there because they're the second largest classification, so they must have at least one good wrestler out of those large numbers.

I vote for Clay Madden at 112, he is a 3x champ winning 103 in 1993, then 112 in 1994 and 1995.

Clay has a record of 88-9 currently heading into the upcomming season.

I couldn't agree with you more about 5a.

I believe you meant 2003, 2004, and 2005, as opposed to the 90's.

I would have to agree that it would be 2003,2004, & 2005 as in 2003 I lost to him 5-1 at the Jake Durham Invite then again at regionals in the semi-finals 13-2 or something horrible. But I would have to differ and go with Brett Bahe of Goodland as he has defeated Madden the last meeting for sure and possibly the one before that. Still a nice name to throw around in the mix.

Alex

WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE JESSE HARDY, NOLAN KELLERMAN, DONNY ALTMAN, AAORN ELY,COLLIN HASE, OR JED MAMIE, ALL THESES NAMES COULD FIT IN SOMEWHERE

I don't think that Jesse Hardy should be on the list. Good wrestler, but not in the same league as Strawn.

Hardy's got one wicked head throw though.

I wrestled a young Hardy when I was a senior and tech falled him about half way through the third period, something like 18-2. For someone to be on the list known as a thrower, you should be a little better than that. He's good, don't get me wrong, just not good enough to be considered the best in the state.

I agree completely. I was just saying that he has an awesome head throw.

Ok, so the list at the top is even more off than before. Strawn should be 215, he's a returing state champ and Edison is not. I don't know how well Born did at 189, but I highly doubt he's the best in the state. Is Erisman that heavy now? Didn't he compete at 160 for nationals? Won't that probably be where he is next year?

Sorry guys I was extremely tired that night!

what about steven foster at 215? or tyler baker at what ever weight he goes at i mean these guys have beat some of the best in the state and never been mentioned.

Another name to throw in the mix would be Esterl of Beloit if he doesn't throw it all away like he did his freshman year. Not necessarily the best in the state last year but he's good and gave Baker all he wanted and was in the match till Baker made him pay for a stupid move and pinned him.

I know that feeling pretty well.

for some reason I sense that you do

If that guy should be on the list for giving Baker a match, then you have to add Andrew Wagner of Manhattan. He beat Geske of Abilene last year at Beliot to wrestle Baker in the finals, where he barely lost something like 2-1. Baker was quite the staller during the match as well, so if almost beating Baker is list-worthy, then we should add Wagner as well.

What place did Wagner get at State? I will admit that Baker is quite the staller on occasion, but he does have 3 State placings to his name and Esterl has one on his only trip and a runner-up at that. It's hard to compare people vs. people for all the variables to come into play, but I would still take Esterl over Wagner.

Alex

And Baker over both of them...

Wagner is 1/1 on trips to state and medals. He was varsity both freshman and sophomore year near the middle of the season when he went down with head injuries. Then, after he competed for an entire season, he placed 3rd at state I believe. I've never heard of the guy from Beliot that you speak of, so I'll take Wagner.

Here's mine...

103 - Furches (Derby)
112 - Hansen (Turner)
119 - Perez (Topeka)
125 - Deshazer (Wichita)
130 - Baker (Hoxie)
135 - Nothern (Salina)
140 - Younkin (Oakley)
145 - Garcia (Colby)
152 - Shroeder (Andale)
160 - Erisman (Desoto)
171 - Jonas (Kapaun)
189 - Foster (Sedgwick)
215 - Strawn (Holton)
275 - Madison (Salina)

The story on Esterl is... his freshman year he was ranked all year I believe then right before Regionals he got caught with something against team rules/school ruls and was removed from the team thus not allowed to compete at Regionals. He came back this year and competed all year won his regional I am pretty sure and made it to state finishing 2nd to Baker of Hoxie by fall at the 4:55 mark.

He is a numerous times kids placer/champion I believe. He is built a lot like Baldridge I think, short and muscular. He is VERY good on his feet and can make even really good kids looks like they're not so good. Just my assessment of him after seeing him wrestle a buddy of mine who holds the school takedown record wrestle him and get taken down like 20 times by him in 3 matches. He only had like 27 against him all year, and like 5 by Baker & Loyd of St. Francis. The other 2 were at the State tournament I believe.

Be careful talking about drugs unless you have proof.

Aaron would please remove or fix the quote from me as I have now reworded it to be politically correct. I am almost sure that was the case as one of my coaches told me that but I have rephrased it already and it sounds better too.

Alex

103-Pat Mosley
112-Hansen
119-Madden
125-Deshazer
130-Baker/Esterl
135-Nothern
140-Younkin
145-Cole Garcia
152-Luke Pfannenstiel
160-Erisman
171-Jonas
189-Nolan Kellerman
215-Strawn
HWT-Madison

Pat Mosley is a beast but I'll be suprised if he can make 103 this year.

Agree with Sir Randy's comment. People keep leaving Donnie Altman out. Dangerous mistake. Don't forget he is a returning state champion and is a totally different Folk-Style Wrestler. He didn't cut much at all this year because he wanted to grow and put on strength for his senior year. I am certain he will be at 112, will be a big 112, while I expect Perez and Schumate to be at 119. Donnie will be motivated to work his butt off after the Fargo experience this year.

Pat Mosley recently competed at the Sunflower Games and advanced to the finals only to be defeated 5-1 by David William of Russell.

After seeing the tape I know there is NO way he can make 103 I think even 112 would be a stretch...

Alex

After all of the input, the new All-Star team has been revised in the starting post.

2006 KS All Class Team:

103 - Furches (Derby)
112 - Hansen (Turner)
119 - Perez/Shumate (Topeka/BVNW)
125 - Deshazer (Wichita)
130 - Isenberg(Gardner)
135 - Baker (Hoxie)
140 - Elliott (Augusta)
145 - Garcia (Colby)
152 - Cotton/Schroeder (Hutch/Andale)
160 - Jonas (Kapaun)
171 - Erisman (DeSoto)
189 - Strawn (Holton)
215 - Foster (Sedgewick)
275 - Madison/Payne (Salina/Paola)

They are on there now. I couldn't tell what grade they were in from the State bracket. Younkin and Foster deserve to be on there.

I don't think Madden can beat Hansen.

All tough wrestlers. Although Hardy can't beat Strawn. Kellerman can't beat Jonas. Altman can't beat Hansen. Ely can't beat Perez or Shumate, even though Aaron looked great this summer and it might be close. If Hase wrestles 103, then I could see him in the lineup.

Kellerman was undefeated last year.
Wat about Baker from Hoxie?
Madden should be on the list.

What about Jordan Gienger he has beat younkin numerous times and has only been beat by him once.

While Clay is good, if you want him on the list you must put on Brett Bahe of Goodland. Last year in their couple meeting Bahe won both.

Going by records in HS and performance, you would have to take Kelly Younkin as he was an undefeated Freshman in 321A. Gienger of St. Francis is good but didn't win state. That could by why Kelly was chosen over Jordan.

Isn't Clay a 3-timer so far? I think that's worthy of being on the list. You, Bronco Wrestler, are an idiot for saying he's not that good when you didn't even place.

Did Levi Younkin graduate? I wasn't talking about Kelly. Shows you how much I know about 321A. Kelly wouldn't be on the team.

A 3 timer in 321A is great but he still can't beat Hansen. Who were his 3 losses this year?

Scott Elliot anyone?

Exactly. Better than Ellison. He's in there.

this is my linup the best of our state


103-furchuse;rogers,derby-northwest

112-ely,levenworth

119-shumate;perez

125-anybody

130-deshazer,west

135-anybody

140-hentzen,maize

145-elliot,?

152-cotton,hutch

160-jonas,kapun

171-eirsmen,desoto

189-?

215-edison,northwest

275-madison,salina central

I have already made my point for him not being included on the list. So I will say it again for those too ignorant to do some reading. Clay Madden was defeated by Brett Bahe 2 times last year. So before I would put Madden on there I would put Bahe on first. He's very good, as are all 3x's but to be beat not once in a fluke but 2 by the same kid in the same year, I would have to go with Bahe.

I believe Madden's 3 losses were:

2- Brett Bahe Goodland
1- a Kid from Kearny Neb. in a dual with Hays/Kearny/Norton

The loss to the kid from Kearny was pretty bad if my memory serves me right... a major decision?

Chief Renegade.

I appreciate you nominating my son for your all-star team.

However, Steven is closer to 225 than 215 right now.

He is a little taller and he spent the summer working in a Grain Mill. He does not have much fat on him.

I am hoping that the football season brings him back down a hair.

Our goal is to be at 215 but we will wait and see...


Thanks Again.

I almost forgot about pete eck he will be smashn skulls up at 171 next year

madden lost to metzler to at newton

171's gonna be a little tougher than 140 was last year for him though. He's a really good wrestler, but I think Erisman would dominate him.

Alex Kelly didnt place as a freshman. Jordan on the other hand did, and i forgot about Jordan.

That will weaken our 189 spot, I'll change the line-up. Looks like he has a great future ahead of him. Good luck next year!

hows caleb payne beat elijah madison in the state finals and madison is on everyone's list at heavyweight? payne is a 2X state champ reutrning for his sr. year, right? i'm not sayin madison cant beat him but he hasnt yet. correct me if payne graduated....

is Deshazer goin 125 or 130??? ive seen him at both

I was wondering about Jason Pyle at 135, I know he is one of my wrestles but I just thought he should be in consideration even though we wrestle in NE Kansas and are 321A. But then again you got Strawn and he will be (prolly) undefeated this year again. Guy is an animal. Can't wait to dual them this year!
Coach Brown

Im just going to say that we can all talk about whos better now but I have a feeling we will get to see the best at the Fort Hayes Grand State tourny in december. T
hen well see who the best in the state is.

I agree with doughboy - there's sleepers out there and a lot that you all have overlooked! Think about it. Yep.

Is Strawn really going 215? and is Erisman going 171?

Nominate them and the board will decide.

Yep and Yep.

You are exactly right. Payne won 3-2 in the finals. Payne was 33-1 and Madison finished 28-2.
I think it's the "wow' factor that puts Madison on the list. Next year shoould be fun with those two. I'm going to put Payne back on the list with Madison also.

Hey has anyone said anything about Sutton Kern or did something happen to him that i don't know about

If Sutton Kearn is 189 then maybe put him in if Strawn isn't there. If Erisman isn't at 171 then maybe there. Don't know if he is a 1st teamer though.

I don't think kearn will be at 189...he was makin 171 pretty easily this summer...I'm suprised nobody has mentioned anyone from Goddard...being a Goddard guy myself I'll throw some in...for the 125 spot Freeman COULD be in there somewhere...he is a state champ and injury defaulted this year at state...and at 135 Traina took third and beat Hentzen once last year and he COULD possibly be mentioned...as for me I'm looking at 130 and me and Tristen have talked about us wrestling next year so he is going 130 too..should be interesting I think anyways...we'll see when season starts...

Bronco Wrestler,
Tell when Bahe and Madden met ? I was there when he lost to Bahe at the Holiday Classic,but I don't remember the second time.
I only missed the Hays/Kearney dual. But since you know so much about Clay,especially since you lost twice to him in 2003 that should classifie you as a expert on the subject.
As for this topic.....Don't put Clay on any list,he will prove himself...he doesn't need any Pre-All Star status .......

I do not claim to be any expert. That was merely a joke to how bad I was and how good he IS. As I said... I BELIEVE... meaning I wasn't exactly sure... don't try to make things out of what's not there. Clay is a 3 time State Champion and very talented, I know first hand. But he did lose to Bahe so before you put him on there you would have include Bahe as was my point.

Alex

I hate to do this, but I have to.
*Swish*

Norton 47, Kearney 24
103: Logan Keiswetter, N, won by tech fall over Collin Rees, 17-0.
112: Shane Castillo, K, won by decision over Clay Madden, 3-1.
119: Daniel Rodriguez, K, pinned Nathan Broeckelman, 3.23.
125: Kent Mann, N, won by decision over Warner Phipps, 4-2.
130: Jon Harding, N, pinned Justin Dekok, .36.
135: Jeremy Harding, N, pinned Jon Crocker, .38.
140: Luke Pfannensteil, N, won by decision over Reese Florang, 9-8.
145: Marvin Peterson, K, won by decision over Blake Vanaton, 3-1.
152: Lance Roe, N, pinned Jon Pearson, 2.31.
160: K won by forfeit.
171: David Stanley, N, pinned Eli Clifford, .44.
189: Kyle Brill, K, pinned Paul Janemann, 4.52.
215: Blake Hillbrand, N, pinned Nathen Welch, 1.12.
275: Michael Sprigg, N, pinned Sam Icenogle, 2.52.

I thought the score was different from 3-1. I was wrong as I have been many times before. Those would be his losses then.

Castillo Kearney- 3-1
Bahe Goodland- 4-0
Metzler Newton- 12-8

Those were his 3 losses this year and to who. Before I would put Madden on there I would put Bahe or Metzler since they have beat him.

Alex

They may have beaten him on certain occasions, but he's the only 3-timer on that list. I think the three titles say more than those three losses last season.

No disrespect to anyone on the list but billy_mcjackson-ripjs makes a great point here. A state championship should exit out all other defeats, even if it is like a 1-3 record against another individual if the one win was a state championship. That is why I am still giving Altman the respect over some of the other kids. I know those kids at that weight they are great kids, great wrestlers, but Altman is a defending state champion.

103-Furches
112-Mosley
119-Madden
125-Deshazer
130-Baker
135-Elliot
140-Jordan Geinger
145-Garcia
152-Pfannenstiel
160-Jonas
171-Erisman
189-Malay (JK) (HAHAHAHAHAHA) no chance
215-Strawn/Foster
275-Payne

i'm tellin ya gienger should b on there before younkin

Mosely and Madden over Hansen and Perez? That would put you down at least 0-6 in a dual match. Pfannenstiel can't beat Cotton or Schroeder. Has Baker ever wrestled Isenberg?

hansen was hands down the best 103 in the state this year...i know that doesnt mean somebody wont show up and beat him but he definitly has to be the top of his weight class until proven otherwise in my opinion.

What will Hansen be going? At kids state he was at 110 and looked like a huge 110 at that. I would have thought that he has grown some since then. I would imagine 112, likely even 119. Both of those classes are going to be very tough this next year. It will be fun to watch.

Sorry Ron i forgot again

Based on his last reported weight (being when I asked him at the Dodgeball tournament) the Hamburglar will be a beasty 112 this next year

If he is at 112, he will be a beastly 112.

Mike is correct ..... "beastly" would be the better adjective ....... although "beastie" refers to a small animal (which he is), he would be a "beastly beastie" ...... "beasty" is apparently not a word ..... my bad ..... thanks, Mike.

LEVI YOUNKIN GRADUATED

From what I heard Madison is up around 310 thats alot of weight to cut even if he does I still dont think anyone can touch payne.

I meant Kelly Younkin. But now I'm putting in Gienger instead.

Payne beat Madison 3-2 in the state finals. A junior vs. a freshman. Not exactly "untouchable".

Madison beat Sean Hoffman(SH,senior who was 32-2) in the semi-finals at state 14-7. Hoffman ended up pinning the other semi-finalist in :55 to take 3rd. He pinned the same guy who lasted 4:19 against Payne. I'm making the early call that Elijah will make 275 and will be the 2006 class 5A state champion.

Madison beat Sean Hoffman(SH,senior who was 32-2) in the semi-finals at state 14-7. Hoffman ended up pinning the other semi-finalist in :55 to take 3rd. He pinned the same guy who lasted 4:19 against Payne. I'm making the early call that Elijah will make 275 and will be the 2006 class 5A state champion.


That big line doesnt matter because payne won head 2 head

Im not saying madison isnt a great wrestler because he is I just dont think he can beat payne

heres mine
103- Keller/Rogers/Hase - I dont pick furches because hes not even wrestled a HS match yet
112- Donny Altman/Aoarn Ely- I think they both beat paulie.
119- Larry Perez - Hands down
125- Tristen Deshazer- DUHHHHH
130-Aldon Isenberg- cant think of anyone else around thats better
135- Scott Elliot/ Aaoorn Ellison- could be a good match up
140- ?? Maybe Andy Hurla or Kyle Grape
145 Garcia- dont see anyone who can beat him
152- Schroder- Its a toss up between him and cotton i think judd is just a bit better
160 Erisman- Nough said
171- Bailes/Kellerman/Mamie- All very good wrestlers.
189 Hardy- Team Headlock him self
215-Strawn/Eddison- Toss up i think strawn wins though
275- Payne - very tough to beat.

Also Theese kids could be considered also

Darrin Stroot, Blake Fiscer Andale
Atticus Disney -Andover
Kevin Callahan Baldwin

I agree that 103 is up for grabs. Keller, Gage, Hase and Furches all have a shot as well as others. It is kinda fun throwing an incoming freshman on the list. I think he has a reasonable chance at the title. At 112, I think Altman would be the best choice to challenge Paulie, but still think Hansen beats him. I would list Hansen, Altman, Ely, and Mosely as the top 4. A brutal weight class. Now at 119, Perez and Shumate are above everyone. I wouldn't say that Larry would be a "hands down" choice. He barely beat Nick at state and those matches could go either way. I think Erisman will be at 171, which opens up 160 and shuts everybody else out at 171. Jonas is at least a 2X champ. I agree that Strawn and Edison are close and we've already talked about 275.

bking,

I agree with your Furches comment which is why I have him in there at 103. Altman beat an undefeated Ely 12-2 at state which was impressive but I believe Hansen will make 112 and is too much to handle for Donny. I forgot about Baker at 130, so I added him along with Alden. 140 seems up in the air. I could see Hurla, Gienger or many others step up there.

John Paul Shepherd who is in town visiting this week used to cut from about 315 or so...it don't take much to lose it when you are goo. Big John is now 6'6 360 though!

Most who know me know I don't get into debates like this. One reason is that everything has to be proven on the mat and the time for that is coming up. I would include other kids there as possible at 103, including possibly Aaron Haug (sp?). I do think that the cut for Elijah if he is up that high will be tough, nothing like a good year of football to help though. I will detract and say it would be fun to see Nathan in the finals, and if I had to say who I would like to see him go against, it would be friend and neighbor, literally 2 doors away, Dante Rodgers. Talk about a human interest story, imagine that, 2 kids who live 2 doors apart wrestling against each other in a state finals.

That would be awesome to say the least. Both of those guys are great at 103. Elijah may want to do cross country! LOL

Also 103
Tyler Mcormick,& Dennis Wood,

Elijah may want to do cross country! LOL [/QUOTE]

That would be one of the coolest things I've ever seen...next to the kid with the mullet on XC with me...

If Furches & Rogers live that close why aernt they going to the same School?

Dante goes to North West, just moved in the area and will finish out his senior year at North West where he has gone all through high school. Nathan goes to Derby where his mom teaches and he has gone to school there since we moved here from Oklahoma except for his first year here. She got the job there before he went into the 7th grade. We had him transfer when she got the job for a variety of reasons. He will finish high school at Derby, at least we hope he does.

well if u guys r puttin mosely in there wat about trevor richard he is gonna be able 2 make 112 again this year

That would be one of the coolest things I've ever seen...next to the kid with the mullet on XC with me... [/QB][/QUOTE]


It would look like a hodgepodge group of Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids.

Straight from the horses mouth Strawn is wrestling at 189....

The record between Strawn and Edison is ... Strawn 2 - Edison 0 ... 2005 Kids State & Brute Nationals

Edison is definitely not as good as Strawn.

Is he out for a fall sport? I was curious with some of the schools being thrown around it sounded as if he would have ended up in either a 5a or 6a school. Not sure how he would have done there though with whatever 5/6a has.

Thanks Champ, I moved Strawn back to 189 and Foster goes in at 215.

I would love to see Ely wrestle Hanson at 112. Are Leavenworth and Turner on each others schedule? That would be a dogfight.

24/7

seems like Madden and Bahe are not getting much respect on this string-- 3 times state champ in the case of Mr. Madden should be worth mention if you are going to list people who have not won nearly that many, and, again in the case of mr. Madden, 88-9 record overall. Granted, he has not won all his matches, but there arent too many undefeated wrestlers on that list. Same can be said for Baker of Hoxie. several of the folks that seem to be shoe-ins on the list haven't won a title yet. I would think that to pick someone with less titles or no titles over one with a proven record reflects some bias. (of course, I don't have any.)

what weight will madden be at this year?

There is NO WAY Elliot will be 135 again...I'm thinking 145...MAYBE 140...that dude was pulling some major weight to get to 135...and he has definitly gotten bigger over the summer...what did he wrestle at fargo?? 145???

Probably 119-125 would be my guess

I agree and moved Elliott up to 140. I also moved Tyler Baker (Hoxie) up to 135. He was the 125 321A champ and deserves to be somewhere in the line-up.

first off, i dont think pat mosley is the BEST 103 lber in high school, im thinking altman is better. Deshazer will be going 130 or so ive heard. scott elliot ? didnt he go undefeated and win state? as a freshman...?. loos ? even if he goes 45, you count him out? pfannenstiel?- didnt place a newton. madison? did he even win state.
just a thought
doing all-kansas team is impossible
in wrestling there is so many factors to look at and it is more than 3 months from the season. until we see what weight people are going, its kinda pointless to talk about who is the best!

Maybe...but its fun to discuss

Mosley won't be anywhere near 103 this year guaranteed.

Deshazer made 125 for Nationals, makes you wonder why he wouldn't do it for High School?

Elliot is good, no contest there. I think though if he's at 135, Baker or Esterl could challenge him. He is a good candidate though and should make a lot of lists. 140/145 might be a little tougher to make the list.

Loos was at 152 last year so I'm not sure if 145 is really an option right now? I may be wrong but we'll see. Still a good choice but I think that Garcia of Colby is better.

Pfannenstiel of Norton is tough, already have a couple state medals, just because he didn't place at Newton doesn't mean anything? If that's what you were implying.

Madison, is a stud. Losing 3-2 to Payne in the finals, and he'd already beaten Jessen earlier in the year. Finishing 27-2 as a freshman in Heavyweight is an achievement and being the State Runner-up? I think that speaks for itself as to why he's considered a "Front-Runner" as well.

Alex

It's not impossible. Wait until after the FHSU tournament and I'll give you one!

Alex

But yea until then it's fun

Altman will be at 112, or 119. I would also say don't forget about Garrett Miller who was out last year. Depending on where he is at he could be a tough 103-119.

isn't Guy Miller coming back at heavyweight? also i think Deshazer is at the point where he can go at whatever weight he wants and win.

I don't think he could win heavyweight.

hmmm good point it is fun..
if we could play around with it, making people cut a lot of weight.
103-hansen
112- ely
119- madden
125- deshazer
130- baker
135- elliot/ younkin
140- garcia
145- loos
152- schroder
160- jonas
171- erisman
189- strawn
215- edison
275- payne

oh and off the record. deshazer told me he was going 30

off the record, I heard Guy Miller might not wrestle next year, he has no desire...? Not quoting a specific source but was told by a very respectable source.

Alex

guy miller at 275! he lost in double overtime to sprigg, madison lost like 11-5

Guy Miller is the man at Hvy... he took Sprigg to the coin toss twice last year, and dominated 4a last year, also has been a placer when he has been healthy, believe he was third as a frosh, losing to Bedore of Goodland,then had a knee reconstructed the year that Scott City won as a team... hard to beleive that he would sit out his Sr. year but I reckon stranger things have happened. If he comes back, I would think that you would have to respect his record and placement history and place him at the top of 275, Madison may be better but has never had the opportunity to prove it in a match, and as has been stated before did prove that he was not close to the ability of mr. Sprigg.

Bronco and Trego wrestler I think Younkin may have graduated.

Miller probably is looking to play football in college and doesn't want to get hurt during wrestling season. Either that or graduating at semester.

Yes LEVI Younkin graduated. Kelly his younger brother didnt graduate hes a soph.

I was talking about Kelly Younkin. Levi Younkin is attending Colby Community College.

What is all the hype about Madison........He wont even make weight

How much is he weighing? John Paul Shepherd who was a pretty good heavyweight cut from 315 to 275 almost yearly.

If you guys dont remember. Payne was in superior shape last year and Madison quit the last 30 seconds of that match...Payne wrestled a cautious match but one easily despite the score......i will make a prediction that he wins a third state championship like his older brother

i have no idea if its accurate or not but salina central's football roster has madison listed at 283. so thats no problem for 275...plus football rosters usually add a few pounds..but who knows.

thirdone-

It was dissappointing to watch the way Madison finished in the last 30 seconds of the match. If you don't lock up with him you have a great chance of beating him plain and simple.

Brenvoth-

I agree on your assesment. I look foreward to Elijah being back this year.

Madison is a defensive wrestler who waits for others to make mistakes he can capitalize on. If you wrestle smart and have an offense he is beatable which Payne proved last year and will again if they meet. The score of their match does not tell the whole story, you would have had to see it. Payne was by far the superior wrestler!

here is my list.
103 Keller BC
112 Hansen Turner
119 Perez Topeka
125 Deshazer W. West
130 Baker Hoxie
135 Arnold BC
140 Youkin Oakley
145 Elliot Agusta
!52 Cotton Hutch
160 Jonas Kapun
171 Erisman Desoto
189 Foster Sedgwick
215 Edison WNW
HWT Jensen WNW

Some one Everyone forgot about is a kid named marvio Tiscauser, i know he didnt wrassle last year but he is still whicked.

ksbevo
great except i still think 112 os either altman or ely,but that is my opinon.

What weight will Tischauser be at?

Thanks Swayz,
I wanted to put David Loos in at 160. He is very gifted but Jonas is my pick.
I think he has been runner up past 2 years.

Scarecrow_103
Some one Everyone forgot about is a kid named marvio Tiscauser, i know he didnt wrassle last year but he is still whicked.
Great post, but he still has to prove himself. I think he will.

KSBEVO - At 189 you listed Foster out of Sedgwick. If you are talking Steven I don't think he will be at 189 but instead something higher (I don't know for a fact but that is my assumption). If you are talking about Dustin I thought he graduated. Am I wrong about that? I have no problem w/ Stevie being on the list but 189?

Hold the horses, did I just read what I thought I did! An all-star team with five 5A kids. Plus if you count Payne at 275 instead of Jessen, that would be six. What is the world coming to.

well what about a 321a, 4a, 5a, 6a individual all star teams...and who wins...ooooo have at it

Sounds like a great idea!!!

Jessen is awfullly tough hmmmmmm.Steve has grown a little . wow 225 ! I also see that David Loos
may be wrestling down. If that is the case Put Loos in at 145. He is one competitive person.

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Didnt Madison lose to someone at kids state

Madison lost to Donte Jones from Bishop Ward, I believe.

That is correct and Donte Jones didn't even qualify for 4a State coming out of the Ft.Scott(east 4a regional).

If memory serves me right, he was thrown and then pinned? I maybe wrong.

it was quick though within the 1st minute

Live by the throw die by the throw.

Elijah hooked up a lateral and started to throw but Donte tripped him.

Once they hit the mat, well lets just say that Donte is a pretty big fella.

Donte capitalized on a fatal mistake.

I would not let one match define Elijahs wrestling ability.

I do not think that Donte could repeat the performance against Elijah.

There will be a lot of really good wrestlers this year at both 215 and 275.

Elijah has that throw, but he really needs to open up more and get some basic fakes under his belt and a good high single or something to help make the throw more random and catch guys off guard that way.

Bishop Carroll lineup, here is a good lineup:
109: John Keller 2nd State 5A soph
112: Jordan Keller soph
119: Detmer frosh
125: Issac Johnston sr
130: Jordan Johnston
135: Tom McDonald sr
140: David Loos sr
145: Mitch Arnold soph
152: Tyler Rossnhammer soph
160: ?
171: Ben Meyer sr
189: Roman Cabales jr
215: Brenden Cody Sr.
275: ?
This is purely a guess as to where Coach will have them.I think the team will be better. Three 2nd place finishers,3rd place finishers and several 4 th place finishers. Looking forward to wrestling season.

Carroll? Who cares about Carroll. They are a 5A team, so they cannot be any good.

I don't know why Strawn isn't 215 on every list. He's the only 2-time champ at that weight this year and realistically the only really talented 215 out there. Easy choice.

Elijah reminds me of Jason Duffy from the same school. If you would get caught you were done, but if you wrestled your match, he was fairly easy to beat as long as you were decent yourself.

Ditto on Strawn, the dude is smooth.
Edison is a bad mo jamma too and Edison and Strawn are close, but Strawn has earned the edge. The college people, including O-State, that I have talked to are asking about Strawn. The biggest problem is that he does not compete in the off-season so they have not had an opportunity to see him.
Erisman is also a hot topic right now especially since he has been so succesful in the off-season. Erisman is bigger than Jonas, but I would love to see that one go down. That would be a war.

I think Strawn would beat Edison probably 7 out of 10 times....

Erisman would beat Jonas, probably by 2 or 3 points.

My my opinions...

Alex

Strawn is not on the list at 215 because apparently he is going 189.

I usually don't brag or talk about my own wrestlers, but I am a little suprised Kenneth Livengood has not been mentioned anywhere. He is very deseving. Three time state place winner. Runner-up 2005. Has near 120 career wins. Has beaten both Shumate and Perez(they have also beaten him before)He is a great kid, and works harder than anyone I have ever seen. Just thought someone should give him is props, even if it is his coach.

I know he had a great camp up at JROBINSON this past summer. The coaches up there really were impressed with his toughness

Until Edison beats Strawn for the first time, I say Strawn wins 10 out of 10 times. I also don't think it matters what weight he goes because he will dominate 215 or 189. I also think that Erisman would probably beat Jonas by at least 5 and I would even venture to say around 8. I saw Jonas wrestle a match against our 160 when Jonas was a sophomore and to say the least it wasn't impressive. Erisman probably would have pinned RJ because he's a little wimpy man.

I don't think Detmer will make 119, but wherever he goes, others will have to make room. He will be at least a 4 time placer and has a chance to win it 4X.