just a thought but i understand clay center is a good wrestling team but junction city beat clay center and also wichita heights last year in a dual how come their not ranked in top ten

Since the KSHSAA will not allows us to have a Dual State tournament the only way to establish the best team is from the scores of an invididual tournament. So these rankings are for best tournament team not best dual team.

Chief ...?

Should be a great one like usual.

That is correct about the Dual vs. Tournament team ranking. The State results are the primary criteria that is used. A Dual team ranking would be much more difficult without more head to head team competition.

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Emporia - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Wichita NW - 6A


103
1. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
2. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
3. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Colby Waters - 9 - ARK - 5A
5. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
6. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
7. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
8. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
9. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
10. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
11. Kaleb Bonilla - 9 - GD - 6A


112
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJ - 4A
3. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
4. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
5. Francis Antillon - 11 - SO - 321A
6. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
7. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
10. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
11. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
6. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
7. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
8. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
9. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
10. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
13. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
14. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
15. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A


125
1. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
3. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
4. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
6. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
7. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
8. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
9. Skyler McComb - 10 - DB - 6A
10. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
11. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
12. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJ - 4A
5. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
6. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
7. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
8. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
9. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
3. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
7. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A
8. Jake Mainz - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A


140
1. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
6. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
7. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
8. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
9. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
10. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
4. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
5. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
6. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 4A
7. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
8. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A
9. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
10. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A


152
1. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
4. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
5. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
6. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
10. Garret Fausset - 12 - SMN - 6A
11. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
12. Reece Conklin - 9 - LAW - 6A



160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
4. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
5. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
6. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
7. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
8. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
9. Sawyer Treinan - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Timmy Chadd - 11 - BC - 5A
5. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Cody Hanel - 12 - BE - 321A
8. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
9. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A
10. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
11. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
2. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
4. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
5. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
6. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
10. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
6. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
8. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
9. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A

who is Codie Bontz at 135. i see him ranked above Matt Brock but i can't seem to find him in last years state results. did he come from out of State?

He took 2nd at 321A State and went 33-4. He lost to Danny Floyd in the final and lost to Sal Tovar 3-2 at Kid's State.

Chief - Any thoughts on a top 10 list, regardless of weight?

how is Dane Norris in front of caleb seaton when caleb has beatin dane.......dane has never beat him at 112

It was more of a weight issue. Dane is a returning 112 and Caleb is moving up from 103. Am I right that the last time they wrestled was a Kid's State in 2006 at 90 pounds?

Nice question. I'll work on that.

What about Ryan Wuthnow from abilene?

Liberal will also be attending Newton. Should be a great tournament!

Thanks dallasjr. Using the chief's pre-season, all-class rankings, it now appears that the top eight (8) teams will compete at the Newton Tournament of champions:

1. # 2 Derby class 6 A
2. # 3 Wichita Heights class 6 A
3. # 4 Clay Center class 4 A
4. # 5 Wichita Bishop Carroll class 5 A
5. # 7 Emporia class 5 A
6. # 9 Liberal class 5 A
7. # 10 Gardner (*) class 5 A
8. # 10 Wichita Northwest (*) class 6 A

* Gardner & Wichita Northwest are tied for 10th place.

Only Goddard, Smith Center & Lansing are missing from the chief's top ten (10). Even if the chief's pre-season rankings do not "hold-up", this tournament nonetheless promises to be the preeminent, pre-state, high-school wrestling tournament in the state of Kansas. If you can place in this tournament, your state odds suddenly look a tad more favorable. I'd like to hear any contrary opinions.

On an entirely different note: I'd like to weigh in on the chief's contemplated (given the chief's post in these regards), "top 10 list, regardless of weight".

Well, you know in boxing, knowledgable commentators and boxing enthusiasts for years, have opined about the "pound-for-pound", best "boxer" in the world. I always loved this stuff and enjoyed arguments regarding conflicting opinions (emphasis placed on "opinions").

I'm equally aware that, by deigning to opine about such intangible, subjective and admittedly, unprovable "rankings' the chief, and any contributors to his post, will almost certainly invite the inevitable wrath of, at least some of our Kansas wrestling "purists" (1 in particular comes to mind - he shall remain nameless, but I suspect he will show his stripes) - those who believe that any "rankings", not "earned on the mat, in competition", are unnecessary and unwarranted ... and not "backed up" by any objectively provable data, and are the product of pure "opinion" - admittedly vunerable to political influences, class and league prejudices, and not worthy of further discussion.

I still want to hear from all y'all. Prove me wrong. Prove me right.

With that drum roll, here is a swipe at the top 15!

1. C.J. Napier - 106-9 - 3rd, 1st, 1st
2. Tyler Caldwell - 111-4 - 1st, 1st, 1st
3. Boaz Beard - 80-2 - 1st, 1st, 1st
4. Kyle Detmer - 98-6 - 3rd, 1st, 3rd
5. Nathan Furches - 62-4 - 1st, x, x
6. Kendric Maple - 106-9 - 5th, 3rd, 1st
7. Sharky Slyter - 109-19 - x, 1st, 5th
8. Chris Watson - 119-13 - x, 2nd, 1st
9. Chase Nelson - 89-14 - x, 1st, 1st
10. Trent Cox - 99-7 - 1st, 4th, 1st
11. Mitchell Means - 100 - 19 - 4th, 1st, 2nd
12. Chase Nitcher - 85-7 - 3rd, 2nd
13. Colt Rogers - 70-0 - 1st, 1st
14. Kyle Caylor - 69-9 - 2nd, 1st
15. Jeff Vesta - 66-11 - x,1st, 2nd

Have fun with these!

I know he is younger than most listed, but I think it hard not to put DeShazer(spelling?)somewhere on that list.

DeShazer lost to Stokes Bigpinn

It was hard but then I would have to put Cokeley on there because Ryne has beaten Dapper the last 5 times. #15 ranked Stokes also beat DeShazer in their last meeting.

Stokes is on the list.

Cokeley is deserving too. Lots of great kids around that weight!