I think Chief does an excellent job of contacting a large variety of individuals with knowledge of SPECIFIC weights so that he has a very educated process in making his lists. I am also pretty sure that he has researched 112 for example with other parents, coaches, and wrestlers such as you with "first hand" experience with those wrestlers. I think its great that he listens, and if he decides its warranted, he will make a change!

see but what about the guys who just had a bad weekend wrestling at regionals....they didnt beat the ranked wrestlers but they may not have wrestled them but they beat wrestlers who do beat the.....Lewis 103 from lyons placed at every tourney but regionals and state and he wrestled really good and should have a chance over the freshmen wrestlers that come in and get ranked and if hes not in the all class rankings he should definitly be in the 321a class rankings.....

Please list any ranked wrestlers that Lewis has beat.

I am back! I went to El Paso where my father-in-law was inducted into the UTEP football hall of fame. He played 62 years ago and is still #2 in career rushing touchdowns and yards per carry!

Can't wait to tackle that 103 post and lay out some credentials for the ranked freshmen. I will post that tomorrow. It's good to be back home. 15 days till the first official practice!

Hey XG, How is Schumacher my boy?

Coach Lemon,

Thanks for the input. All info is appreciated, especially those with specific insight to certain weights. I will finish more on this tomorrow but thought I would address a few points you made. All of the wrestlers you mentioned were considered. I spent a LOT of time on 103-119 and got back great information from their coaches and parents like yourself that have wrestlers in the hunt at these weights. I am releasing the 4A and 6A rankings this coming weekend and those mentioned will be ranked.

Specific losses kept many of the wrestlers you brought up off the list. Specifically:

Calderon - 15 losses
Dean - 15
Vieyra - 15
Hodges - 13
Torrez - 13
Garcia - 12
Perez - 11
Lies - 10
Avelar - 9

Wolfe, Kolterman and Dremel are moving up in weight. I never got back an answer on weights for Avelar or Goepfert. In many cases I left messages at the school, e-mailed coaches and posted on this forum, asking for their anticipated weights.

The freshmen that I have ranked have earned their spot in my opinion, through national competition. There is one notable freshman that I omitted at 112 that will probably be a human wrecking ball to my current top 10.

Again, these are pre-season rankings. Give me specific criteria and I will change them. Just being freshmen is not enough to keep them off.

I will try and add to this topic tomorrow.

see lewis only wrestled 3 ranked wrestlers and he lost but he beat wrestlers who were ranked in 321a lik drew jones was ranked and jeromy hrabe from stockton beat drew jones and lewis pinned hrabe and lewis finished 32-7

So will the 321 rankings come out november 7th then?

yes there supposed to or around there

PRE-SEASON RANKINGS: Changes at 119/125.

1. Emporia - 5A
2. Andale - 4A
3. Derby - 6A
4. Lansing - 5A
5. Clay Center - 4A
6. Valley Center - 4A
7. Andover Central - 5A
8. Colby - 4A
9. Norton - 321A
10. Goddard - 6A

103
1. Bo Pursel - 10 - LS - 5A
2. Zac Gentzler - 9 - AC - 5A
3. Cullen Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
4. Kaleb Bonilla - 11 - GD - 6A
5. Chris Burley - 9 - GB - 5A
6. Bryce Shoemaker - 9 - BAL - 4A
7. Clay Mulligan - 10 - SC - 4A
8. Troy Crane - 10 - BUH - 4A
9. Regis Weiss III - 9 - RUS - 4A
10. Dustin Reed - 9 - CB - 4A


112
1. Isaac Ruiz - 12 - JC - 6A
2. Dalton Miller - 12 - WC - 6A
3. Bo Newport - 11 - PV - 4A
4. Nathan Reed - 12 - CB - 4A
5. Trevor Boyer - 12 - MV - 5A
6. Caleb Seaton - 11 - BS - 5A
7. Aaron Seybold - 10 - PT - 5A
8. Austin Hood - 10 - LOU - 4A
9. Colby Whitten - 11 - MZ - 6A
10. Dylan Schumacher - 10 - TMP - 321A


119
1. Blaine Smith - 12 - SS - 5A
2. Cody Beasley - 11 - WC - 6A
3. Dane Norris - 11 - MH - 6A
4. Adrian Salas - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Colby Watters - 10 - ARK - 5A
6. Tre Humphrey - 11 - SMS - 6A
7. Robbie Hines - 11 - ULY - 4A
8. Tim Prescott - 10 - MCP - 5A
9. Hunter Stalford - 10 - CV - 321A
10. Tim Wrestler - 11 - CH - 4A


125
1. Garrett Jones - 12 - ARK - 5A
2. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A
3. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 5A
4. Steven Plott - 12 - SS - 5A
5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A
6. Logan Singular - 12 - CC - 4A
7. Zach Hoehn - 11 - WEL - 321A
8. Troy Bainter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Uylesses DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
10. Riley Soward - 10 - HAL - 321A


130
1. Colt Rogers - 12 - SC - 321A
2. Daniel DeShazer - 11 - WH - 6A
3. Taylor Moeder - 11 - SJA - 4A
4. Alex Bontz - 10 - AC - 5A
5. Kyle Johnson - 11 - COL - 4A
6. Tyson Schmidtberger - 12 - RUS - 4A
7. Mario Corado - 11 - PIT - 5A
8. Colton Eck - 11 - AN - 4A
9. Ky Biddle - 10 - BC - 321A
10. Billy Broeckelman - 11 - NO - 321A


135
1. Chase Nitcher - 12 - VC - 4A
2. Danny Floyd - 12 - OS - 321A
3. Spencer Blew - 11 - LS - 5A
4. Zack Tanenbaum - 11 - BVN - 6A
5. Jace Campbell - 12 - OA - 321A
6. Kash Biddle - 12 - ARK - 5A
7. Brandon Charbonneau - 10 - EMP - 5A
8. Trey Houlden - 11 - GD - 6A
9. Hunter Edwards - 12 - DC - 6A
10. Travis Reinhart - 11 - DB - 6A


140
1. Tyler Anderson - 12 - CC - 4A
2. Bryce Hood - 12 - LOU - 4A
3. Derrick Weller - 12 - PI - 4A
4. Cody Wildin - 12 - MAR - 321A
5. Brent Koehn - 10 - PIT - 5A
6. Vance Oliver - 12 - WIN - 5A
7. Bradley Little - 11 - DB - 6A
8. BT O'Hara - 11 - COL - 4A
9. Courtney Strauss - 11 - AB - 4A
10. Micah Flora-Swick - 12 - GE - 5A


145
1. Ryne Cokeley - 11 - SJA - 4A
2. Joey Dozier - 12 - GC - 6A
3. Chase Sanchez - 11 - EMP - 5A
4. Cody Shavlik - 12 - DB - 6A
5. Tyler Davis - 12 - MCP - 5A
6. Connor Middleton - 10 - ONW - 6A
7. Codie Bontz - 12 - AC - 5A
8. Trevor Oliver - 12 - OS - 321A
9. Dakota Hayes - 12 - SC - 4A
10. Kaenon Keiswetter - 12 - NO - 321A


152
1. Jake Walker - 12 - STA - 5A
2. Dylan Penka - 11 - BC - 5A
3. Dillon Charland - 12 - JC - 6A
4. Sean Gaither - 12 - WNW- 6A
5. Trip Hiller - 12 - OS - 6A
6. Sam Son - 10 - CH - 4A
7. Colten Picking - 11 - AB - 4A
8. Cullen Demerest - 12 - LS - 5A
9. Landon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
10. Josh Rodriguez - 12 - ULY - 4A


160
1. Cade Blair - 12 - VC - 4A
2. John Hambleton - 12 - LC - 4A
3. Reece Wright-Conklin - 10 - LAW - 6A
4. Jake Hattabaugh - 11 - AN - 4A
5. Todd Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
6. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A
7. Cody Hill - 11 - HUG - 4A
8. Tyler Baughman - 11 - LS - 5A
9. Evon Royal - 12 - JC - 6A
10. Kaid McKenna - 11 - NO - 321A


171
1. Parker Madl - 12 - BV - 6A
2. Benny Armstrong - 12 - AN - 4A
3. Jonathan Truman - 12 - KMC - 5A
4. Chance Davis - 12 - CC - 4A
5. Nick Thibault - 12 - HAL - 321A
6. Devon Keith - 11 - BC - 5A
7. Garrett Hoover - 12 - WIN - 5A
8. Zane Perez - 12 - NO - 321A
9. Ethan Mumaw - 11 - JW - 4A
10. Camron Leupold - 11 - HIA - 4A


189
1. Jace Banner - 12 - DC - 6A
2. David Blazevic - 12 - ON - 6A
3. Zach Grimes - 11 - OZ - 4A
4. Dylon Walker - 12 - EL - 4A
5. Dylan Matheny - 12 - KMC - 5A
6. Nathan Wessell - 11 - LS - 5A
7. Steven Cooksley - 12 - TS - 5A
8. Cole Carpenter - 12 - DB - 6A
9. Dalton Beard - 11 - GD - 6A
10. Chase Kruetzer - 12 - PRT - 4A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 12 - WNW - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 12 - EMP - 5A
3. Taylor Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A
4. Nick Pearch - 12 - BV - 6A
5. Gage Knudson - 11 - JC - 6A
6. Josh Hicks - 12 - GD - 6A
7. Titus Hopper - 12 - VC - 4A
8. Taylor Shaffer - 11 - WAM - 4A
9. Adam Weber - 12 - CLB - 4A
10. Eric Mason - 10 - CV - 321A


285
1. Lucas Vincent - 12 - ON - 6A
2. Tank Burns - 12 - COL - 4A
3. BJ Finney - 12 - AN - 4A
4. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
5. Trey Page - 12 - WNW - 6A
6. Jared Rice - 12 - PHI - 321A
7. Cody Huffman - 12 - DOU - 321A
8. Dillon Salmans - 11 - HOX - 321A
9. Tyler Gjerstad - 12 - AB - 4A
10. Tylor Woodruff - 10 - GD - 6A

Eric, I think XGHSWC is thinking that you are the Eric Johnson that was his wrestling coach last year.

That has to be it. I couldn't understand the Schumacher comment.

lane greenlee should be up there

Oh and I beat Blaine Smith at junior league state in the semi-finals, 7-5

Chief Renegade does a great job in the rankings that is all that needs be said, he has very good points in every rank he has done thus far to my knowledge and is very fair, i felt other wise upon this issue until he brought up his reasoning behing not ranking strauss which he made and had a very good point in not doing so..

What's a junior league state? Kids state?

I saw that Cody. MANY DETAILS about that match caused me to rank Blaine #1.

I really like the looks of the competition at 140. Having Bryce Hood, Courtney Strauss, Tyler Anderson, and Derrick Weller at the same weight is going to be crazy.

Also, WOW Parker Madl got big.

Up where?

Beasly defeated Blain this year at kids state in the semi finals i think he should be ranked above him

Smith - 6th/1st/3rd at State.

Beasley - 6th/6th at State.

I can't elevate kids state with 1.5 minute periods over HS state in this case. The entire body of work for Smith is not wiped out by a match at the end of March that was controversial at best.