Peanut does not have to reveal his name because people on here will try to publicly bully, harass, and embarrass him. Mr Dale seems like one of those who would, though I don't know him. It does no good to talk about this anymore. KHSAA knew there was lying, yet did nothing. Makes one wonder what other "rules" can be broken without worrying about consequences. Offseason workouts? PED? Recruiting (public schools)? Improper weigh ins? KSHAA has shown any rules they have in place mean nothing in a case where influential people or schools are involved.

Its just Mill Valley wannabees crying, 0 state team titles in any sport.

Thanks to the 10pm news,everyone knows they were forced to lie.

Were told to do it. Involved were Mill Valley coach and AD. Go back to being ignorant parents.

Thunder......unless you sign your real name we can't take you as a reliable source of information.

That being said, please enlighten me on all the state titles that the Alabama of Kansas High School sports has.

Look it up yourself, Wannabee.

This ignorant parent is trying to figure out if any of sentences you just wrote are complete. I can understand the public idiot's not being able to write properly, but Thunderrolz, your supposed to be educated. You also forgot to sign your name, or did you?

Quick question why is it wrong for a parent to use their right to enroll their child in what ever private institution they feel is best for their child. We don't have to agree with whatever religious choices they or the church make. But if you feel strong enough and want to actually point the "by the rules blame" it all falls on the shoulder on the big boys of the Kansas High School Association. Does any of your taxes pay for their funding? If so you should have a voice. Private schools are "private". If you could afford it and your son wanted to be in the best room available would you say no? Just as I was asked if my daughter wanted to wrestle would I say no? To many people seem to use the rules or beliefs when it suits them best but not all the time. This situation better wake the state up into doing something, if they don't they are true hypocrites when the say the care about the kids.. Don't let the negative effects of this situation happen without anything done. Future kids shouldn't have to deal with this in the future.

Tim King

Why not take a truthful stand to the teachings of your church? If the schools,parents, and wrestlers believed they were following the teachings of their church, why not say so instead feigning injury or illness?

Like 4th time we said this, for all you impaired types. KSHSAA told us how to default, we did as told, they were there, Mill Valley was involved and part of the default. Nobody lied, nobody cheated. Its too bad a JV wrestler went to state instead of the seeded kid.

Sorry, I was under the impression that the wrestlers were not allowed to wrestle girls under the teachings of their church, thus the reason for this whole discussion

There ain't much mud in Western Kansas these days, may have to turn on a center pivot for this mud wrestling match.

I sure wish it would rain or we maybe looking at a modern day Dust Bowl. It could lead to the downfall of Western Kansas wrestling as there would be a major exodus to greener pastures.

The consequence was not expulsion but a suspension that would make them in eligible for state and the coach fired. In prior years it was tolerated for the boys to wrestle this is the first year that the arch bishop of Kc has enforced this. Do a majority of the parents agree with it no and it will be a long debate. It is not right for him to hold the boys back. I am also catholic and had 3 boys wrestle, I also have a daughter. There are plenty of sports for her to be involved in other than wrestling.

Peanut, you routinely post acidic remarks. I’m not sure if your Freudian-moniker ‘Peanut’ is related to your mind or your manhood. My kid goes to Aquinas. I love Aquinas. St. James is our rival. Cokeley is not a friend or enemy of mine. He is an acquaintance that I have said ‘hello’ to the roughly five times that I have seen him because I respect what Cokeley has accomplished for this awesome sport. Although Cokeley might be considered a controversial person, I thought that there was no informed wrestling parent in our area that did not acknowledge & appreciate Cokeley’s time & efforts & RESULTS invested into making wrestling a much better sport for all Kansas kids to enjoy. I am certainly thankful for what Cokeley has done to advance this tremendous sport that I never participated in as a kid but have come to love as a dad.

I’m not sure why you “watched Cokeley prance into the gym”. I’m proud to say that I have never checked-out how a guy walks in my entire life.
Why would you even bother noticing who is standing & who is sitting at a tournament??? Not only do you bother to notice this totally-petty, non-event, but then you take the time to write it as if it is of any consequence to anyone besides you.

People that anonymously write trifling, acidic remarks and then claim that they need to remain anonymous because, as you wrote later “I don’t want to be in the spot light” are lying - at least to themselves. We are just a bunch of dads that talk about the great sport of wrestling on this forum. I guarantee that a bunch of paparazzi will not start following you once you own up to your routinely bitter remarks. You should either man-up & sign your name or keep your negative, petty observations for the sole enjoyment of your own dinner table. I hope I don’t find myself wasting my time reading another wrestling-post about which dads stand & which sit, how cute that they walk or what outfit they were wearing.

Kevin Perz

So the Arch Bishop is the one to blame. He picks and chooses what rules to follow and to what extent that they will be enforced. Sounds like a man with questionable morals. Maybe he should step down. And by the way, I have questionable morals, but Im not a leader of a religious group that effects the lives of thousands of people.

Catholic News Agency Article

Girl wrestlers: Boundaries, faith and false equality

Mary Hasson

In high school, I ran cross-country—the only girl on the boys’ cross-country team. Running made me happy and I was good it.

But with no girls’ team at my high school, I churned up the hills with the boys’ team. The miles I’d run with my dad and brothers over the years made competing with the boys’ team as natural as running itself. (And beating even a few male runners on the racecourse was, I admit, satisfying.)

So I get it.

I understand Cassy Herkelman’s athleticism and her desire to compete against the best athletes around. I really do get that.

Cassy Herkelman, by the way, is a 112-pound high school girl, a freshman at Cedar Falls High School in Iowa. The problem, however, is that Cassy competes with high school boys in a sport where success depends on breaching all the natural boundaries of male-female physical contact.

She’s a wrestler.

And what I don’t get is her parents’ decision to let her aim her athleticism and competitive drive at the wrestling mat. I don’t get that at all.

Cassy and another girl wrestler, Megan Black, earned spots in this year’s Iowa State Wrestling Tournament for the first time. But Cassy’s first round match proved to be a test of faith and conviction rather than skill … for her opponent, at least.

Her scheduled opponent, Joel Northrup, was a promising young wrestler who finished third in last year’s tournament. But Joel withdrew from the match, handing Cassy a victory by forfeit.

Why did Joel refuse to wrestle Cassy and, with that refusal, end his title hopes?

Because his faith taught him better than to grapple violently with a girl, grabbing at her body parts for handholds, mentally focused on subduing her. He knew that the sports context didn’t make the contact less problematic. Joel’s strong character propelled him to do the right thing—forfeiting--even though it cost him a shot at the championship he’s worked towards all season long.

To his credit, Joel speaks well of Cassy and acknowledges her athletic talent. But he goes on to say, “wrestling is a combat sport and it can get violent at times … As a matter of conscience and faith, I do not believe that it is appropriate for a boy to engage a girl in this manner. It is unfortunate that I have been placed in (this) situation…”

Joel’s right. It should never have come to this.

Even if dunder-headed school administrators lacked the common sense to keep girls from wrestling boys, the girls’ parents should never have allowed it. For the girls’ sakes as well as the boys.’

While wrestling moves aren’t overtly sexual and must conform to set rules, wrestling is a contact sport – an aggressive, body-on-body contest. Unlike the jarring, two-second contact of tackle football, wrestling entails sustained grappling, grabbing, squeezing, pressing, and even gouging. As the match progresses, opponents might end up lying on top of each other, wrapping their arms and legs around the other’s torso, or grabbing through the opponent’s legs to flip or pin the other.

“She can take it.” I can hear the argument now. But this isn’t a question about whether a girl is tough enough to physically endure those demands on her body. Certainly an athletic girl can condition her body as well as a boy, and learn the techniques to deftly escape or take down an opponent.

Yes, girls can be fit, well-conditioned, competitive athletes. But that misses the point.

Throwing girls and boys on the wrestling mat together involves more than relative strength or skill level. Girls’ bodies are, well, girls’ bodies, different from boys.’ And that physical difference extends to the way they think and feel, as well as their natural inhibitions and inclinations. Our norms about appropriate physical contact are a way of respecting those differences.

Consider this: 15-year-old girl wrestlers, like Cassy, must allow a succession of 15-year-old boys (friends? strangers?) to handle their bodies roughly, intimately, aggressively on an open mat in front of a crowd, in an atmosphere of adversarial domination. And, in order to win, they must respond in kind.

Do we really want a girl to shrug off this kind of contact? To overcome her innate emotional resistance to having her body handled roughly by random males? To accept an adrenaline-driven male grabbing her face, reaching through her legs and flipping her, pinning her? Or for her to grab a teenage boy the same way?

Do we really want our boys to put their physical aggression in high gear against a girl, “fighting” her, while they simultaneously experience her touches and grabs in sensitive areas?

For a boy and girl to wrestle each other requires each to make internal compromises – mental shifts to overcome the ingrained, rightful boundaries we have about how males and females should interact physically.

I believe it’s a good instinct for a girl to recoil from a stranger’s rough touch, especially in intimate areas, just it’s a good mindset for a boy to pull back from causing a girl physical pain or overpowering her in pursuit of physical dominance.

So what on earth are parents thinking, when they allow their son or daughter to wrestle an opposite-sex opponent? I just don’t get it.

Cassy Henkelman lost her subsequent matches and has been eliminated from the tournament.

She failed to win a medal.

But does she even know what she lost in the attempt?

Mary Rice Hasson, the mother of seven, is a Visiting Fellow in Catholic Studies at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, Washington, D.C. She blogs at wordsfromcana.

If the arch bishop strongly believes mixed wrestling goes against the teachings of the church, then the schools under him should not participate in sports that are of mixed gender. Rule 23 of KSHAA states that at the beginning of each season, schools have to declare whether their sports team will be a boys, girls,or a mixed team. The bishop can then decide whether to eliminate the sport or ban their teams from competing against schools declaring theirs as a mixed team.

Wow, there is just nothing Beeson won't say. I can't imagine actually having a conversation with him. Questioning the Arch Bishop's morals because of this decision. Way out of line.

What is the actual reasoning that all you disagree with? Many have jumped to the conclusion it has to do with sex. Maybe it is inappropriate contact because it is too rough or too violent. Would not most agree that even though boys might play a game of charley horse where we pound the tar out of each other, we would not do it with a female? Would not most agree we would not allow boys to grab a female's private areas in some sort of game even if it was not sexual. There are just some things we do not do with females that we do with males.

The Arch Bishop made a judgement call that females would not be treated in the same physical manner as males. This used to be called chivalry.

I think it is a judgement call that has many sides. Ultimately, it only has one of two outcomes, either they wrestle girls or not. Maligning a faith, Catholic schools, and one of its leaders only shows you are unreasonable and too arrogant to look at all sides of a complex issue.

Disclaimer:

Richard D. Salyer was raised as a Catholic and attended Blessed Sacrament Catholic Grade School in Wichita, Kansas. During my early grade school years at Blessed Sacrament the infamous Fr. Larson (since convicted Priest pedophile) was an educator. Many of young boys knew Fr. Larson was odd and knew instinctively to stay away from him. I was a bit of a hellion as a youth and spent much time at the rectory (Priest home on the school grounds) serving detention with Monsignor Glenn, a gregorious Irish priest. On many occasions, during detention, Monsignor would supervise my after school boxing matches with weighted gloves in order to dissuade my propensity to be aggesive with my fists. Monsignor Glenn did not keep Fr. Larson at Blessed Sacrament for more than a year. I am convinced the Monsignor shipped off the problem prior to having to deal with any issues. Monsignor Glenn was above all an honest and Holy man whose only fault (to my knowledge) was his love of beer sitting across the kitchen table with my dad.

Long story short, if you are not Catholic you likely will not understand the teachings of the Church. Many of us Catholics do not always agree with the teachings of our leaders, and I believe all of us want the pedophile priests to be held accountable for their atrocities and any priest covering up these actions should also be held accountable.

With that said, Archbishop Naumann is following the teaching and beliefs of the Catholic Church and too is an honorable man. The wrestlers and families of both St. James and St. Thomas were aware of the policy of the Catholic Diocese regarding the restrictive policy in place regarding boys wrestling girls. This was not a surprise nor was it a policy change recently brought about. The Wichita Diocese has a similar policy however it is less restrictive. Some may say the rules should be the same for the Kansas City and Wichita Diocese however, this agrument is similar to stating the laws of Kansas should be the same as that of Missouri or Oklahoma.

In closing, priests are men, men are fallible and not perfect, and we all will make mistakes. A boy forfeiting a match to a girl because of his faith is not one of these mistakes.