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Back Side #215465 02/23/13 03:38 AM
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What did I Dulgarian do i just cannot believe this? Please inform.

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Illegal slam - believe it!


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Any video? Controversial or cut and dry???

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Not controversial. The incident was not an accident. The athlete was taken from the mat on a stretcher. I don't believe Dulgarian intended to injure his opponent but I believe he intended to punish him and make him look silly. It back fired in a major way. He was beating his opponent easily when it occurred.

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Originally Posted By: Matt Jones
Any video? Controversial or cut and dry???
Why would you ask such a ridiculous question? A slam was called, a wrestler was escorted off the mat on a gurney, and you ask for video. Incredibley poor tase!


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Re: Back Side [Re: RichardDSalyer] #215476 02/23/13 10:55 AM
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This was an obvious illegal slam called by one of the most experienced and best officials in this state and someone is wanting to debate it!! Wake up!

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Anyword on how the young man from Salina is doing? I hope he is well!

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First of all, I am not it Wichita. Second, its impossible to know how serious an injury is by reading a forum. Questions like mine are posed often on here. It is unfortunate an athlete was injured so badly.

Now that two of you have responded so rudely I am aware it was obvious and a young man was hurt badly. Did not want to debate it, just wanted to know more details which have now been provided to me. Baldeagle, thank you for the information.

Jeez.

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Jeez is right...a simple, honest question. 1 fair, calm response, and 2 that weren't.

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Kid had concussion and was throwing up but think no spinal or other damage. Hope for the best

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Jeez is right, think of it as your kid on the stretcher and re-ask the question and maybe you'll see how rude and insensitive your question seems.


Well you're just a special kind of stupid aren't you?
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Watch match and the other kid didn't want to hurt him just a bad move

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Here is how the Salina newspaper described it:

Saint Thomas Aquinas sophomore Isaac Dulgarian was having his way with Will.

Dulgarian, a defending state champion, had 10 takedowns in the first round, after allowing Will to escape over and over. The Aquinas wrestler built a 20-8 lead after one period.

And then things got worse for the Salina sophomore.

Dulgarian shot the leg and tried to slam Will to the mat for another takedown. Will tried to avoid and jerked his body as he was going to the mat. His neck got caught and he remained on the mat after officials stopped the match.

"I don't think it was intentional," Peters said. "He didn't have a way of bracing his fall. The refs called it a slam. It was an unfortunate chain of events. I know Isaac felt bad about it."

Medical staff treated Will for several minutes in the middle of the mat as matches went on all around Hartman Arena. Dulgarian, who was penalized a point for the slam and was later disqualified from the match -- costing him a chance at a second straight state crown -- kneeled in his corner and watched.

Technically, Will won the match, but after being carted out of the arena on a stretcher, his season is over. He has no injury to his neck, Peters said. But he has a concussion, a CAT scan revealed.


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Kansas City Star

Aquinas’ Dulgarian won’t repeat as a Kansas Class 5A wrestling champion
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The Kansas City Star
PARK CITY, Kan. ||
St. Thomas Aquinas sophomore Isaac Dulgarian’s quest for a second Kansas Class 5A state wrestling championship was derailed Friday at Hartman Arena when he was disqualified for an illegal slam that sent his opponent to the hospital.

Leading 20-10 midway through the second period in a 138-pound quarterfinal, Dulgarian had Salina Central sophomore Dayton Will in a clench around the waist.

Will countered with a standing Granby, a flying roll designed to break the wrist lock, but instead Will only made it halfway around and landed hard on his bent neck.

Despite the fact that Will clearly appeared to initiate leaving the floor, match referees immediately signaled an illegal move.

When Will, who was strapped to a backboard and taken from the mat by stretcher to a waiting ambulance, wasn’t able to continue, Dulgarian wasn’t saddled with a loss.

“The bottom line is that it’s a judgment call, but it’s a sad situation with Isaac,” Saints coach Lorne Parks said. “His odds of eventually being a four-time champion were pretty good, so it’s a shame that one questionable call is going to take that away from him.”

Will was awake but unable to speak, though he had movement in his extremities when he was wheeled from the floor and taken to Via Christi Hospital on St. Francis in Wichita.

Dulgarian, who won the Class 5A championship at 120 pounds as a freshman, will be allowed to wrestle in Saturday’s consolation rounds but can’t finish higher than third as a result of the loss.

“I just told him there’s nothing I can do or you can do, but it’s rough,” Parks said. “He’s worked extremely hard over the summer and in weights, but the chance to be a champion again was taken from him

Read more here: http://varsity.kansascity.com/news/aquin.../#storylink=cpy

Re: Back Side [Re: houndpower] #215494 02/23/13 01:47 PM
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Not a questionable call by the referee. I understand his coach was advocating for him, as he should, but there are ways to do that without implying his wrestler was the victim of a poor call by a very experienced referee.

And I'm not sure I totally agree with the account written by the Star.

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Originally Posted By: J. Dale
Jeez is right, think of it as your kid on the stretcher and re-ask the question and maybe you'll see how rude and insensitive your question seems.


The question was a simple one asking for more details than just merely an "I-D" posted on track. I watched it on the dashboard and saw the match frozen in time for a few minutes. Again, tough to glean details from a bracket with "I-D". I don't think there was any misguided attempt at adding insult to injury, or minimilizing a terrible situation.

No one wants to see anyone hurt, that should be painfully obvious to everyone who botheres to spend time following this sport thru a stupid BB.

we all hope and pray for a full and complete recovery

Thanks for those who posted the news reports - devoid of the panic, and accusations of insensitivity. They simply provided the details that were sought in the first place.

jeez

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Re: Back Side [Re: baldeagle3351] #215497 02/23/13 02:02 PM
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I assume that coaches, and wrestlers, know that the injured wrestler in these situations can forfeit the match? So long as the forfeit occurs prior to the expiration of the 2 minute recovery time, the injured wrestler can simply forfeit giving the other wrestler--the penalized wrestler--the win.

I'm not going to go into a long-winded explanation of all the situations where someone might want to do this but there are times where the injured wrestler, or his coach, feels that the penalized wrestler should be awarded the match and continue on the winning side of the bracket, or just advance, notwithstanding the penalty and makes it so by forfeiting.

Its allowed by the rules, it happens, and it sometimes works out for the best.

Just something for coaches to keep in mind. And officials as well.

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Originally Posted By: baldeagle3351
Not a questionable call by the referee. I understand his coach was advocating for him, as he should, but there are ways to do that without implying his wrestler was the victim of a poor call by a very experienced referee.

And I'm not sure I totally agree with the account written by the Star.


Yeah, I was wondering about that myself. I was not at the match. The Star makes it sound like the kid that got hurt, got hurt via a Granby attempt . . . that seems totally different from a slam to me. But, it doesn't matter. An experienced ref made a call that most folks that were there agree with. And, we can't go back and change anything. We can just hope/pray that the young man recovers fully and quickly. Time to move on!


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Originally Posted By: Rford
I assume that coaches, and wrestlers, know that the injured wrestler in these situations can forfeit the match? So long as the forfeit occurs prior to the expiration of the 2 minute recovery time, the injured wrestler can simply forfeit giving the other wrestler--the penalized wrestler--the win.

I'm not going to go into a long-winded explanation of all the situations where someone might want to do this but there are times where the injured wrestler, or his coach, feels that the penalized wrestler should be awarded the match and continue on the winning side of the bracket, or just advance, notwithstanding the penalty and makes it so by forfeiting.

Its allowed by the rules, it happens, and it sometimes works out for the best.

Just something for coaches to keep in mind. And officials as well.



I agree with this in certain situations, but in this case, I don't think it would apply. Sounds like Dulgarian was toying with the Salina kid...a score of 20-10 speaks for itself. IMO it is very unsportsmanlike for a superior wrestler to do this to a less talented wrestler. This sounds like it could have been avoided if Dulgarian would have just pinned the kid early in the match instead of toying with him. The real tragedy in this situation is the injury sustained by the opposing wrestler, hopefully he recovers without any major damage.

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This is very unfortunate for both the salina wrestler and the STA wrestler, and I hope the salina wrestler makes a full healthy recovery.

As far as the STA wrestlers being unsportsman like I don't see this. Many wrestlers put on take down clinics early in tournaments. This occurs for many reasons. Sometimes it is to get some mat time and sweat going early in the tournament, sometimes it is to get some weight off, etc.... I watched the STA wrestlers at the Hays tournament this year and he did this same tactic the first day, then pinned kids the second day. I do not feel he is a wrestler that shows unsportsman like tactics.

Good Luck to the STA wrestler the rest of the tournament.

Good luck in a full recovery to the Salina wrestler.

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