i asked earlier but i can't find the answer. What does tb mean when posted at the end of a score between two wrestlers? thank you

Tie breaker

Meaning, i beat you once in a match and you beat me once in a match and then we wrestled a third time and you beat me? Therefore, match number three was the tie breaker match?

thanks

It can also mean Tuberculosis or Tailback.

It means tiebreaker as in they went into double overtime and the opponent on top rode the other wrestler out for 30 seconds winning the match via tiebreaker.

So, for example if it was printed as: Smith,6-6 tb
That would mean that the match went into the 2nd OT and Smith was declared the winner because he rode his opponent for the full 30 seconds?

I guess i'm still confused because i think i saw it as a score like this:

Smith,6-4, tb

Which made me think how could he win by two if it was tied going into the second OT and he rode the guy out?

Man, i'm confused. Thanks to all for trying to help me understand this. Don't give up. I'll get it if you keep trying! ;-)

reversed the guy in tiebreaker

Or he turned him for a two point nearfall.

Basically, all it means is that the match went into double overtime.

Pups, jse, and LancerM are all correct.

Heck with TB, what does R.A.O.S. mean?

Actually (might be stepping on Isom's toes here), but the NFHS changed that to the code RO for "Ride Out".

If a match were to have gone into double overtime and the top rode out the bottom, the score would be shown as 5-4 RO, according to NFHS.

I'm not too sure why you would have seen 6-4 tb unless they were in a round robin bracket and it was the third match and used to determine the tiebreak of a 1-1 bracket...

Hope this helps!

All of the statement from Koranda is incorrect!

According to the National Federation of State High School Associations 2004-2005 Rule Book:

Scoring Abbreviations (pg. 50) TB stands for Tie Breaker.

Rule 6 - Conduct of Matches
Section 7 Overtime
Rule 6, Section 7, Article 1 (pg. 30)

". . . If no winner is declared by the end of the 1-minute overtime period, a 30-second tiebreaker will be wrestled. The choice for position in the tiebreaker will be granted to the wrestler who scores the first point(s) in the regulation match (points for double-stalling or simultaneous penalties shall be considered as no points scored for the purposes of the tiebreaker choice). Should no points be scored in the regulation match, the referee shall flip a disk to determine which wrestler has the choice of starting position for the tiebreaker. The wrestler who has the choice may select the offensive (top) or defensive (bottom) position or elect to defer the choice of top or bottom to the opponent.

The wrestler who scores the first point(s) during the tiebreaker will be declared the winner. If no scoring occurs in the 30 seconds the offensive wrestler will be declared the winner and one match point shall be added to the offensive wrestler's score."

Rule 6, Section 7, Article 3

"If the points earned in the overtime period or the tiebreaker involve a takedown or reversal straight to the back, the match shall continue until the near fall or fall situation has concluded."

Go to the link provided below and scroll down to the 130 lb. matches. The official score for the consolation final match is listed as:

Josh Baldridge, KS DEC Jordan Lipp, OH 3-2;tb
NHSCA Senior National Place Bouts - 2005!

That should be another point for my team for Konrada not knowing the rules...give us back the trophy!

yes we want it back

send it to curtis

R.A.O.S. is short for "the Royal Ancient Order of Steves"....to answer your question sweazy

I don't have everything cataloged or bookmarked as our resident researcher does, but I'd like to point out that, "All of the statement from Koranda is incorrect!", is incorrect itself...

Follow the links with me and see how wrong I am...

#1 - NFHS
http://www.nfhs.org/scriptcontent/va_custom/vimDisplays/contentpagedisplay.cfm?content_id=443
"2004-05 Wrestling Rules Changes"
"New Scoring Symbols:
RO – indicates the offensive wrestler won by use of the tiebreaker."

#2 - Scorer's Abbreviations
http://www.nfhs.org/staticcontent/pdfs/2004_wrestling_scorers_timers.PDF
"RO - Ride-out"

#3 - NFHS Rule Book
Page 41, Rule 9.1.8:
"If no scoring occurs in the 30-second tiebreaker, the offensive wrestler will be declared the winner. One match point will be added to the offensive wrestler's score to determine the final match score." (No mention of which code to use, TB vs. RO...)

#4 - NFHS Rule Book
Page 50:
BOTH RO - Ride-out and TB - Tiebreaker are listed (figured I'd point that one out...)

#5 - NFHS Rule Book
Page 51, Comments on the 2004-2005 Major Changes:
(6th one down) "Add Match-Point for Tiebreaker Winner (6-7-1): If no scoring occurs during the tiebreaker period, the offensive wrestler will be declared the winner and one match point will be added to the offensive wrestler's score. THE ADDING OF A MATCH POINT FOR THE "RIDE-OUT" CLEARLY INDICATES WHO WON THE BOUT. This assists with record keeping and reduces the possibility of indicating or advancing an incorrect competitor."

#6 - NFHS Rule Book
Page 52, Comments on the 2004-2005 Major Changes (cont.):
"Scoring Symbols Added: The following symbols have been added for use by the scorekeeper:
RO - indicates the offensive wrestler won by use of the tiebreaker."

Without a clear understanding of what to do in the situation of being at the end of a tiebreaker and having a wrestler who rode-out their opponent and not knowing which code to use; I’d have to make a decision using any pertinent information I might have acquired at any meetings or clinics.

THEREFORE…
#7 – KWOA Clinic Notes for KSHSAA Exec. Dir. Rick Bowden’s Rule Meeting. (November 6, 2004. El Dorado VFW Hall. 1:00 pm)
(Paraphrased, but any attendee will attest this is basically what was said…)
“There new symbols for us this year…RO is for Ride-out, which I hate that term!!! I don’t like it because we tell the wrestlers not to stall, but then we use the term Ride-out we they win in OT. You can use RO or TB, but just make sure you add one point to the winner’s score and use one of these to make it clear who won.”

I’d like to take this opportunity to thank you for keeping me one my toes. Normally after the season’s concluded, I get no opportunities to challenge myself to continue studying the rules. Hopefully I’ve presented my “incorrect” case clearly enough to show you that I do in fact have a basic knowledge of this sport and my job as a referee. Anyone who would like to come join the ranks of KSHSAA Officials can do so at any time! Just log on to http://www.kshsaa.org/OFFICIALS/officials.html and you’ll find all the information you’ll need to make that transition from fan to official and see things from behind the whistle!!!

Good Day,

I've been waiting to see if I was wrong or not...

"bump"